I don’t get DACA

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?

If they were born in a different country, by definition they are citizens of that country - if citizenship to a country is not a strong connnection, why in the world are they trying so hard to become American citizens?

So they can drive and hold jobs without fear of being ripped away from their family.

Ahhhh, so they want to be Americans not because of some sense of connection to what it is to be American, but rather a selfish desire to drive a car, make money, and being closer to their family. Here I thought they were claiming some patriotic identiy of being an American. Thanks for clarifying that for me. They are no different from any other economic migrant who wants to be here for convenience.

Exactly.

I live in a MoCo neighborhood with a high number of illegal immigrants and my kids go to school with their kids. We know many of these families and that is exactly the case for most of them. They are here to earn money. Plain and simple.

I love how you generalize and speak for so many people! And overlook the unstable home countries where people are literally being raped and tortured and murdered by not only drug traffickers but also gangs and also law enforcement! Way to go. You must be so proud of your ability to paint with a broad brush.

Why is that our problem? There are a lot of unpleasant countries out there. And a lot of pleasant countries with much tighter immigration and citizenship laws than ours.

Seriously.

I am a legal immigrant and I come from a country with a level of poverty that most Americans can't imagine. I could go there and find dozens of people in any given hour who would give an arm and a leg to come to the US. Unfortunately for them, they are too poor to even consider it. And, they are too far away.

If you want to argue that the US needs to do more to help struggling countries around the world, I'm behind that 1000%. But, arguing that illegal immigration is the answer to the world's ills isn't going to cut it.

If you are an immigrant then perhaps you truly did not know that the US went in to other countries and worked to destabilize them. Please learn about your new country. This isn't about poverty. This is about extreme violence and crime that is a direct result of destabilization. Did the US intend for this to happen? No. But it is our bed. We made it.

So are we now making room for any Iraqi who wishes to come?

Under Trump? They are not considered white so even the ones who risked their lives to help the US, served as translators, etc, can't get amnesty, even though their lives are in danger by being left there.

Trump has deported US veterans. Tammy Duckworth just went to Mexico spend Veterans Day with a bunch of them. His whole goal is to weaken the US military. Every decision he has made that has affected the military and veterans has been weaken it for the future. Anyone who can't see he is Putin's minion is blind.

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Anonymous wrote:You are missing the human part. Sadly, there is no cure for you.

ummm

At what point does this end?

fine- Provide a path toward citizenship for those here, for those who qualify. I get it.

But then END IT.

Why encourage illegal behavior?

DACA had its place. We need to move on.

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They were children with no say in the matter. You want them deported to a country they have no roots in?! May not even speak the language. They are in a horrible situation.

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Anonymous wrote:They were children with no say in the matter. You want them deported to a country they have no roots in?! May not even speak the language. They are in a horrible situation.

They will not be deported. Unless of course, they have criminal records.
This is all about our Constitution. If Obama had the constitutional right to issue an EO regarding DACA (which is questionable), then Trump had the constitutional right to issue an EO overturning DACA.

It is really that simple.

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?

If they were born in a different country, by definition they are citizens of that country - if citizenship to a country is not a strong connnection, why in the world are they trying so hard to become American citizens?

So they can drive and hold jobs without fear of being ripped away from their family.

Ahhhh, so they want to be Americans not because of some sense of connection to what it is to be American, but rather a selfish desire to drive a car, make money, and being closer to their family. Here I thought they were claiming some patriotic identiy of being an American. Thanks for clarifying that for me. They are no different from any other economic migrant who wants to be here for convenience.

Exactly.

I live in a MoCo neighborhood with a high number of illegal immigrants and my kids go to school with their kids. We know many of these families and that is exactly the case for most of them. They are here to earn money. Plain and simple.

I love how you generalize and speak for so many people! And overlook the unstable home countries where people are literally being raped and tortured and murdered by not only drug traffickers but also gangs and also law enforcement! Way to go. You must be so proud of your ability to paint with a broad brush.

Why is that our problem? There are a lot of unpleasant countries out there. And a lot of pleasant countries with much tighter immigration and citizenship laws than ours.

Because the US actually went in and disrupted these countries which caused them to fall apart. You should take a history class.

Wow. It’s not just the US that gets involved in other countries. If we’re going to keep track of this, there are some other countries that should be taking in illegal immigrants also.

And there is no way the US is solely responsible for the ills of India, China, Israel, South America, Africa. We have illegal immigrants coming here from all over the world. Which countries exactly do you feel we are responsible for, and which do we ignore?

If this is your argument, then you can lobby to provide more opportunities for legal immigration. But encouraging illegal immigration is not a logical answer by any means.

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?

If they were born in a different country, by definition they are citizens of that country - if citizenship to a country is not a strong connnection, why in the world are they trying so hard to become American citizens?

So they can drive and hold jobs without fear of being ripped away from their family.

Ahhhh, so they want to be Americans not because of some sense of connection to what it is to be American, but rather a selfish desire to drive a car, make money, and being closer to their family. Here I thought they were claiming some patriotic identiy of being an American. Thanks for clarifying that for me. They are no different from any other economic migrant who wants to be here for convenience.

Exactly.

I live in a MoCo neighborhood with a high number of illegal immigrants and my kids go to school with their kids. We know many of these families and that is exactly the case for most of them. They are here to earn money. Plain and simple.

I love how you generalize and speak for so many people! And overlook the unstable home countries where people are literally being raped and tortured and murdered by not only drug traffickers but also gangs and also law enforcement! Way to go. You must be so proud of your ability to paint with a broad brush.

Why is that our problem? There are a lot of unpleasant countries out there. And a lot of pleasant countries with much tighter immigration and citizenship laws than ours.

Because the US actually went in and disrupted these countries which caused them to fall apart. You should take a history class.

Yes, of course. The US has committed many atrocities and we should do a better job of minding our own business. Doesn’t mean we owe anyone anything or need to let the whole world come here.

The US destabilized these countries that people are coming from now for our own purposes. NOW you think we should mind our own business and no longer let people go through the legal process of applying for amnesty?

Typical GOP. It all comes down to race, doesn't it.

What ‘race’ do you feel it comes down to?

I’m not the PP but I live in MoCo and we have illegal immigrants from all over the world, and with all shades of skin color. White Israeli illegal immigrants, Asian immigrants, Eastern European illegal immigrants, Latino illegal immigrants, etc.

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“Please thank your parents for us” for bringing you into this country illegally —Nancy Pelosi.

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Many people argue that their great grandparents came to the US without an immigration paper 50, 100, or 150 years so the US should allow anyone who are from a foreign country to stay, work and become citizens today. The problem is there are countries and boarders between the countries.
Will you let any homeless people to build a tent on your yard or live inside of your house forever without your permission?

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Anonymous wrote:Many people argue that their great grandparents came to the US without an immigration paper 50, 100, or 150 years so the US should allow anyone who are from a foreign country to stay, work and become citizens today. The problem is there are countries and boarders between the countries.
Will you let any homeless people to build a tent on your yard or live inside of your house forever without your permission?

Agreed.

That is a ridiculous argument. Times change. Situations change.

We need to look at the situation as it is now and work to make it better. The status quo is not working.

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?

If they were born in a different country, by definition they are citizens of that country - if citizenship to a country is not a strong connnection, why in the world are they trying so hard to become American citizens?

So they can drive and hold jobs without fear of being ripped away from their family.

Ahhhh, so they want to be Americans not because of some sense of connection to what it is to be American, but rather a selfish desire to drive a car, make money, and being closer to their family. Here I thought they were claiming some patriotic identiy of being an American. Thanks for clarifying that for me. They are no different from any other economic migrant who wants to be here for convenience.

Exactly.

I live in a MoCo neighborhood with a high number of illegal immigrants and my kids go to school with their kids. We know many of these families and that is exactly the case for most of them. They are here to earn money. Plain and simple.

I love how you generalize and speak for so many people! And overlook the unstable home countries where people are literally being raped and tortured and murdered by not only drug traffickers but also gangs and also law enforcement! Way to go. You must be so proud of your ability to paint with a broad brush.

Why is that our problem? There are a lot of unpleasant countries out there. And a lot of pleasant countries with much tighter immigration and citizenship laws than ours.

Because the US actually went in and disrupted these countries which caused them to fall apart. You should take a history class.

Yes, of course. The US has committed many atrocities and we should do a better job of minding our own business. Doesn’t mean we owe anyone anything or need to let the whole world come here.

The US destabilized these countries that people are coming from now for our own purposes. NOW you think we should mind our own business and no longer let people go through the legal process of applying for amnesty?

Typical GOP. It all comes down to race, doesn't it.

What ‘race’ do you feel it comes down to?

I’m not the PP but I live in MoCo and we have illegal immigrants from all over the world, and with all shades of skin color. White Israeli illegal immigrants, Asian immigrants, Eastern European illegal immigrants, Latino illegal immigrants, etc.

DP, but there is definitely a racial component for some objectors. As white voters edge toward becoming a shrinking plurality of the populace, there will be an electoral shift, which some feel will be irreversible in favor of Democrats. This is why Ann Coulter and other right wing elements are so stridently against DACA amnesty and so fervently in favor of border security measures. Electoral calculus.

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?

If they were born in a different country, by definition they are citizens of that country - if citizenship to a country is not a strong connnection, why in the world are they trying so hard to become American citizens?

So they can drive and hold jobs without fear of being ripped away from their family.

Ahhhh, so they want to be Americans not because of some sense of connection to what it is to be American, but rather a selfish desire to drive a car, make money, and being closer to their family. Here I thought they were claiming some patriotic identiy of being an American. Thanks for clarifying that for me. They are no different from any other economic migrant who wants to be here for convenience.

Exactly.

I live in a MoCo neighborhood with a high number of illegal immigrants and my kids go to school with their kids. We know many of these families and that is exactly the case for most of them. They are here to earn money. Plain and simple.

I love how you generalize and speak for so many people! And overlook the unstable home countries where people are literally being raped and tortured and murdered by not only drug traffickers but also gangs and also law enforcement! Way to go. You must be so proud of your ability to paint with a broad brush.

Why is that our problem? There are a lot of unpleasant countries out there. And a lot of pleasant countries with much tighter immigration and citizenship laws than ours.

Because the US actually went in and disrupted these countries which caused them to fall apart. You should take a history class.

Yes, of course. The US has committed many atrocities and we should do a better job of minding our own business. Doesn’t mean we owe anyone anything or need to let the whole world come here.

The US destabilized these countries that people are coming from now for our own purposes. NOW you think we should mind our own business and no longer let people go through the legal process of applying for amnesty?

Typical GOP. It all comes down to race, doesn't it.

What ‘race’ do you feel it comes down to?

I’m not the PP but I live in MoCo and we have illegal immigrants from all over the world, and with all shades of skin color. White Israeli illegal immigrants, Asian immigrants, Eastern European illegal immigrants, Latino illegal immigrants, etc.

DP, but there is definitely a racial component for some objectors. As white voters edge toward becoming a shrinking plurality of the populace, there will be an electoral shift, which some feel will be irreversible in favor of Democrats. This is why Ann Coulter and other right wing elements are so stridently against DACA amnesty and so fervently in favor of border security measures. Electoral calculus.

That’s nonsense. Her opposition to DACA stands no matter where the person is from. And even under the status quo, Dreamers can’t vote because they are not citizens. Doesn’t stop them from being loud mouthed, ungrateful, and entitled though.

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?

So back to OP, your logic is that Madoff family should have kept the money he embezzled?

Kids did not commit the crime, they should keep the billions.

Solid plan.

This is an inappropriate comparison.

Can you clarify? How is that inappropriate?

In both cases, the parent is breaking the law. In one case, you feel the kids shouldn't be rewarded. In the other, you feel the kids should be rewarded.

DP. In both cases I feel like the children should not be punished for the sins of the parents. Not being a millionaire isn't a punishment. Being dropped off in the middle of a country where you know no one and don't speak the language can be a literal death sentence.

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?

So back to OP, your logic is that Madoff family should have kept the money he embezzled?

Kids did not commit the crime, they should keep the billions.

Solid plan.

This is an inappropriate comparison.

Can you clarify? How is that inappropriate?

In both cases, the parent is breaking the law. In one case, you feel the kids shouldn't be rewarded. In the other, you feel the kids should be rewarded.

DP. In both cases I feel like the children should not be punished for the sins of the parents. Not being a millionaire isn't a punishment. Being dropped off in the middle of a country where you know no one and don't speak the language can be a literal death sentence.

Oh the drama. As others have pointed out, most of them do speak the language, or enough to easily learn it. And many of the countries are not as violent or dangerous as they make them out to be. In fact, their countries would benefit from an influx of American-educated young people. We would be doing those countries a service to send them back, in addition to ourselves.

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?

If they were born in a different country, by definition they are citizens of that country - if citizenship to a country is not a strong connnection, why in the world are they trying so hard to become American citizens?

So they can drive and hold jobs without fear of being ripped away from their family.

Ahhhh, so they want to be Americans not because of some sense of connection to what it is to be American, but rather a selfish desire to drive a car, make money, and being closer to their family. Here I thought they were claiming some patriotic identiy of being an American. Thanks for clarifying that for me. They are no different from any other economic migrant who wants to be here for convenience.

Exactly.

I live in a MoCo neighborhood with a high number of illegal immigrants and my kids go to school with their kids. We know many of these families and that is exactly the case for most of them. They are here to earn money. Plain and simple.

I love how you generalize and speak for so many people! And overlook the unstable home countries where people are literally being raped and tortured and murdered by not only drug traffickers but also gangs and also law enforcement! Way to go. You must be so proud of your ability to paint with a broad brush.

Why is that our problem? There are a lot of unpleasant countries out there. And a lot of pleasant countries with much tighter immigration and citizenship laws than ours.

Because the US actually went in and disrupted these countries which caused them to fall apart. You should take a history class.

Yes, of course. The US has committed many atrocities and we should do a better job of minding our own business. Doesn’t mean we owe anyone anything or need to let the whole world come here.

The US destabilized these countries that people are coming from now for our own purposes. NOW you think we should mind our own business and no longer let people go through the legal process of applying for amnesty?

Typical GOP. It all comes down to race, doesn't it.

What ‘race’ do you feel it comes down to?

I’m not the PP but I live in MoCo and we have illegal immigrants from all over the world, and with all shades of skin color. White Israeli illegal immigrants, Asian immigrants, Eastern European illegal immigrants, Latino illegal immigrants, etc.

DP, but there is definitely a racial component for some objectors. As white voters edge toward becoming a shrinking plurality of the populace, there will be an electoral shift, which some feel will be irreversible in favor of Democrats. This is why Ann Coulter and other right wing elements are so stridently against DACA amnesty and so fervently in favor of border security measures. Electoral calculus.

That’s nonsense. Her opposition to DACA stands no matter where the person is from. And even under the status quo, Dreamers can’t vote because they are not citizens. Doesn’t stop them from being loud mouthed, ungrateful, and entitled though.

You should poke around more. This is definitely a thing. It's about voting. It's about maintaining culture. It's about not incentivizing more illegal immigration. Race is a proxy for a lot of these things and all of this will change the electoral landscape.

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Hmm, I think I’ll take my young kids to El Salvador, enroll them in local, free public schools, work for years without paying taxes, and then demand that they give my children (and by extension me) a path to citizenship. If I meet any resistance, I will scream, yell, insult the country’s politicians and history, call people racist, and refuse to go. I wonder how I will be received? Very warmly, I’m sure!