I don’t get DACA

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Anonymous wrote:Once you say "illegal" and "broke our laws" it means you don't know what amnesty is. You can take this opportunity to learn. It will be good for your brain.

OK Boomer! And also, thanks for giving us this mess in the first place!

I'm Gen X. We need better education in schools since people don't know that it is legal to seek amnesty and that people who are here who are seeking amnesty are not here illegally.

We are well aware. But we are not fans of frivolous asylum claims that have no basis in international law that are filed for the sole purpose of obtaining employment authorization and that merely contributes to the severe backlog in the system and weakens the protections available for true, bona fide refugees. Get it now, arrogant Gen Xer?

Someone is arrogant, not me. Just face it, you are racist.

Absolutely not. Like many Americans, I simply don’t like to see our asylum process abused in ways that weaken it. It’s like the people who bring emotional support animals on airplanes, which weakens the system that was designed for the truly disabled.

Our process was not abused. What is abuse is taking people who are here legally, following our amnesty rules, and separating children from parents in concentration camps. THAT is abuse. And that it is okay with you because the people are brown is racist. Anyone okay with it is racist.

There is no other answer.

It is MORE expensive to detain people in this way -but of course that money is getting paid to companies owned by Trump supporters. Kids have gone missing because they were adopted out via de vos's fake christian adoption agencies.

Your hysteria is many months outdated.

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Anonymous wrote:Once you say "illegal" and "broke our laws" it means you don't know what amnesty is. You can take this opportunity to learn. It will be good for your brain.

OK Boomer! And also, thanks for giving us this mess in the first place!

I'm Gen X. We need better education in schools since people don't know that it is legal to seek amnesty and that people who are here who are seeking amnesty are not here illegally.

We are well aware. But we are not fans of frivolous asylum claims that have no basis in international law that are filed for the sole purpose of obtaining employment authorization and that merely contributes to the severe backlog in the system and weakens the protections available for true, bona fide refugees. Get it now, arrogant Gen Xer?

Someone is arrogant, not me. Just face it, you are racist.

Absolutely not. Like many Americans, I simply don’t like to see our asylum process abused in ways that weaken it. It’s like the people who bring emotional support animals on airplanes, which weakens the system that was designed for the truly disabled.

Our process was not abused. What is abuse is taking people who are here legally, following our amnesty rules, and separating children from parents in concentration camps. THAT is abuse. And that it is okay with you because the people are brown is racist. Anyone okay with it is racist.

There is no other answer.

It is MORE expensive to detain people in this way -but of course that money is getting paid to companies owned by Trump supporters. Kids have gone missing because they were adopted out via de vos's fake christian adoption agencies.

Your hysteria is many months outdated.

It is still happening and now with DACA on the agenda, all the racists who are fine with family separation are ranting to try to get them deported. So, not outdated.

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Anonymous wrote:This does seem overly complicated to me. If my parents stood money from a bank or embezzled a bunch of money and gave it me I do not get to keep it; or do I?

I just do not see what the big deal is to have the kids go through the normal immigration process, or am I missing some other part of this debate?

I am assuming you are asking these questions genuinely. Suppose you adopt a child from say, China, and bring that child (may be months old or a toddler) into the U.S. for living with you. The child had no say in your bringing the child to the U.S. Then you bring the child up to be an adult in the U.S. The child knows only the American society and life in the U.S. All known people to the child are in the U.S. only. The child never visited China, doesn't know anyone in China, and may or may not speak Chinese language. After the child became an adult, having graduated from a college, gainfully employed, and never committed any crime, suppose the Government says you should send the now adult back to China (suppose your earlier adoption process had a flaw and so deemed invalid) and should follow existing immigration procedures to come back to the U.S. and not rely on your sponsorship (since parents of DACA children are themselves unauthorized to live in the U.S. they can't sponsor DACA children for U.S. citizenship).

How would you feel? How would your now grown adopted son/daughter feel?

I don't think you can compare legal adoption (where you go through months, sometimes years of paperwork and legal processes, even though years later a flaw might show up) to the DACA thing (where the parents always knew they came into the country illegally, and there was never ever any presumption of legality along the way).

There was a case recently where the child (who is now an adult) found out his adoptive parents never filed the paperwork for him to become a citizen. He had a crappy upbringing and was later arrested for assault, after which he was deported back to his home country -- after 40 years in America. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/adoptee-deported-u-s-sue-south-korea-adoption-agency-n961776

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Anonymous wrote:Once you say "illegal" and "broke our laws" it means you don't know what amnesty is. You can take this opportunity to learn. It will be good for your brain.

OK Boomer! And also, thanks for giving us this mess in the first place!

I'm Gen X. We need better education in schools since people don't know that it is legal to seek amnesty and that people who are here who are seeking amnesty are not here illegally.

Fellow Gen X'er here. You are making the rest of us look bad. I think you are confusing Amnesty with Aylum. Amnesty, by definition, is a pardon for having done something illegal or have been convicted of some illegal activity. Someone seeking immigration amnesty here in the US is by definition of Amnesty someone who is here illegally and is breaking US immigration laws.

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We have an amnesty program that was working that didn't involve separating families (and was LESS EXPENSIVE than the camps we have now). We have DACA and dreamers who should get green cards. It isn't possible to "save the world" but these decisions to hurt these people are not because of anything to do with money or making the US safe or ANYTIHNG - they are about racism. There is a white supremacist in the white house. There is a white nationalist crafting the policies the WH is putting out and choosing judges. This is a mess and it all comes back to racism.

Yea it was working alright, it was working for people who broke our laws, rewarding their behavior. It was not working for people in the US who ear wages at or below middle-class levels, as they are the most impacted by the flood of low-skilled immigration that compete for jobs and suppressed wage growth. This is why Donald Trump was elected, because immigration policies were *NOT* working for MAJORITY of Americans. It's your perogative to call people you disagree with "racist" but we know that you are the true racist because you are the one who sees every problem in the context of skin color.

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It was actually NOT working. It has nothing to do with racism, because we have illegal immigrants here from all over the world. It has to do with encouraging people to break the law, and then rewarding them for it.

You are right, that it is a mess. But, you are wrong that it has nothing to do with keeping the US safe.

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The US destabilized these countries that people are coming from now for our own purposes. NOW you think we should mind our own business and no longer let people go through the legal process of applying for amnesty?

Typical GOP. It all comes down to race, doesn't it.

ok . . .

So here's a response to your simplistic post.

I am not responsible for the sins of the father. But, I never rubber stamped any of those measures either. So while this country interfered, at what point do we shut down the past and move on?

We have our own problems here. We talk about gang warfare in El Salvador. What about our inner cities? ever teach in an urban school, folks? It's pretty ugly on many days . . .

But yeah - let's blame the GOP and keep enabling people to break laws.

You added exactly zero to the conversation. We disrupted the countries. And we (through our massive outsized contributions to global warming) have disrupted and are continuing to disrupt other countries. Global migration because of climate change is happening now and it will only get worse. These sins are yours and mine. They aren't our parents'.

Np. I actually agree with you but I hesitate to equate contributing to global warming with genuine exploitation that was done years ago... But let's just say that it is the fault of the US that other countries are in such bad shape. We simply don't have the capability to save everyone. It's just the way the world works. It doesn't make it fair or make it morally right, and no, it doesn't mean you stop trying to do what you can, but when are we going to be able to have a realistic conversation? I'm a democrat but I get really frustrated that it seems like so many of these debates don't ever get anywhere because we want to pretend like we should stop at nothing to right our wrongs. We HAVE to stop somewhere, because we don't have unlimited resources to help the entire world.

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We absolutely do not. There is much that needs to be done, at home and around the world. But, illegal immigration is not the answer to those ills.

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Anonymous wrote:Once you say "illegal" and "broke our laws" it means you don't know what amnesty is. You can take this opportunity to learn. It will be good for your brain.

OK Boomer! And also, thanks for giving us this mess in the first place!

I'm Gen X. We need better education in schools since people don't know that it is legal to seek amnesty and that people who are here who are seeking amnesty are not here illegally.

We are well aware. But we are not fans of frivolous asylum claims that have no basis in international law that are filed for the sole purpose of obtaining employment authorization and that merely contributes to the severe backlog in the system and weakens the protections available for true, bona fide refugees. Get it now, arrogant Gen Xer?

Someone is arrogant, not me. Just face it, you are racist.

Absolutely not. Like many Americans, I simply don’t like to see our asylum process abused in ways that weaken it. It’s like the people who bring emotional support animals on airplanes, which weakens the system that was designed for the truly disabled.

Yep. I live in Silver Spring and have gotten to know some of my illegal immigrant neighbors really well these past few years. None of them would count as true 'asylum' cases. They are here to earn money and send it back home. And, to buy themselves some things - flat screen TVs and new cars. Many of them plan to go right back to their country. If they really needed 'asylum', they would not plan to go back.

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5 to 4 decision by Supreme Court