I don’t get DACA

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It doesn’t matter what I think. It only matters what the law says. Why pass laws if we aren’t going to enforce them?

This would mean so much more if the GOP weren't the party of corruption!

Look! There is handy thread to refresh your info on GOP corruption at every level!
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/751002.page

Finally, all laws are not equal, PP. I don't think that entering the US illegally is worse than sexual assault, do you? Why is the GOP fine with sexual assault?

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Anonymous wrote:Many people argue that their great grandparents came to the US without an immigration paper 50, 100, or 150 years so the US should allow anyone who are from a foreign country to stay, work and become citizens today. The problem is there are countries and boarders between the countries.
Will you let any homeless people to build a tent on your yard or live inside of your house forever without your permission?

Can you people who feel so strongly about this PLEASE LEARN TO SPELL “BORDERS”? Thank you.

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Yes it's a crime. But the party that gave Scooter Libby a full pardon is not the one that gets to decide which laws will and won't be enforced.

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Let’s stay on topic please.

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Anonymous wrote:How Latinos saved American cities
After whites fled and before the ‘creative class’ moved in, immigrants kept urban neighborhoods alive.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/11/08/how-latinos-saved-american-cities/?arc404=true

Are we to believe that Latinos have some innate superior ability to save American cities, or are the cases sited here in the article the results of broader micro/macro contexts. I mean, do we say that Blacks saved Atlanta? Or that Whites saved Seatle? What a pathetic and racist article.

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Anonymous wrote:How Latinos saved American cities
After whites fled and before the ‘creative class’ moved in, immigrants kept urban neighborhoods alive.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/11/08/how-latinos-saved-american-cities/?arc404=true

Are we to believe that Latinos have some innate superior ability to save American cities, or are the cases sited here in the article the results of broader micro/macro contexts. I mean, do we say that Blacks saved Atlanta? Or that Whites saved Seatle? What a pathetic and racist article.

Um, blacks were always in Atlanta. They didn’t all move in all of a sudden.

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?

So back to OP, your logic is that Madoff family should have kept the money he embezzled?

Kids did not commit the crime, they should keep the billions.

Solid plan.

This is an inappropriate comparison.

Can you clarify? How is that inappropriate?

In both cases, the parent is breaking the law. In one case, you feel the kids shouldn't be rewarded. In the other, you feel the kids should be rewarded.

DP. In both cases I feel like the children should not be punished for the sins of the parents. Not being a millionaire isn't a punishment. Being dropped off in the middle of a country where you know no one and don't speak the language can be a literal death sentence.

Oh the drama. As others have pointed out, most of them do speak the language, or enough to easily learn it. And many of the countries are not as violent or dangerous as they make them out to be. In fact, their countries would benefit from an influx of American-educated young people. We would be doing those countries a service to send them back, in addition to ourselves.

This is simply not true. Would you be cool being dropped off in Belarus tomorrow?

It is a crap analogy anyway because it doesn't really accurately get to the heart of the matter. A better analogy would be, what do you do with the children of someone who robbed a bank 30 years ago and acquired generational wealth as a result of that original crime. Their education childhood were funded by that crime. Do you bankrupt them as adults for reaping the benefits of that crime?

The answer is no. Courts would strip the parents of wealth, but they would not ruin those kids' lives. Even though they were clearly given a huge leg up in life because they benefited from the fruits of that crime. But they themselves have done nothing wrong, the benefited in ignorance. Their own assets were not acquired by any illegal actions of their own.

Oh boy. Talk about a crap analogy. And what’s wrong with Belarus?

There's nothing wrong with Belarus. Except I don't live there and don't speak the language and if dumped off there tomorrow night I would probably end up homeless.

What is wrong with my analogy?

In your analogy, the children did not commit a crime. In reality, Dreamers broke the law as children by coming here. And that violation of law continued as adults when they remained here unlawfully, with many seeking to work illegally, etc. Without DACA, they would still be breaking the law. And the consequence of that is removal.

Spending stolen money is a crime. Every time their parents gave the analogy kids $50 they were becoming part of the crime. But for all intents and purposes they didn't intellectually engage in the crime, same as DACA kids.

Nope, the kids in your example did not commit a crime, unless they knew the money was stolen and spent it. DACA kids broke the law by coming here and then by staying as adults without lawful admission. Immigration law does not differentiate by age, unlawful presence is unlawful presence.

Most of those kids have no idea they are here illegally until they encounter some bureaucratic institution that alerts them to the problem. You think 3 year olds are consciously making a choice to break the law?

It doesn’t matter what I think. It only matters what the law says. Why pass laws if we aren’t going to enforce them?

Oh I have no more argument so I'll move the goalposts and change the argument

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Anonymous wrote:This does seem overly complicated to me. If my parents stood money from a bank or embezzled a bunch of money and gave it me I do not get to keep it; or do I?

I just do not see what the big deal is to have the kids go through the normal immigration process, or am I missing some other part of this debate?

Republican here. From my point of view, it’s simple: we paid for their education and deserve to benefit from their skill sets. Makes zero sense to be to deport young people who speak perfect English, understand our customs and history, and have been through our public school system. That is throwing our money away.

This!

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Anonymous wrote:How Latinos saved American cities
After whites fled and before the ‘creative class’ moved in, immigrants kept urban neighborhoods alive.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/11/08/how-latinos-saved-american-cities/?arc404=true

Are we to believe that Latinos have some innate superior ability to save American cities, or are the cases sited here in the article the results of broader micro/macro contexts. I mean, do we say that Blacks saved Atlanta? Or that Whites saved Seatle? What a pathetic and racist article.

A generation of whites fled cities for white suburbs. Immigrants moved in and kept the cities alive, along with expansion of the black middle class and professionals, and the LBGT communities. Essentially, all the groups that white bigots discriminate against have been able to thrive in cities and made the cities so cool that young white people came back, and now they think they built it.

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DACA can and should be eliminated with a beautiful stroke of a pen; then the clock starts ticking for congress to get off its ass and reform immigration....about 30 years late but better late than never.

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But while I understand the human appeal, does anyone realize that any step towards legalization of those who entered illegally will open the floodgates?

I'm okay with legal status to DACA recepients if we secure the border first, but not before.

I am *COMPLETELLY* sympathetic to the fact that may DACA recipients are probably more "American" in terms of cultural attachment than me, as an immigrant who came to the US at 11. However, I am also *COMPLETELY* against any type of amensty type program that is insitutted prior to instituting effective measures to combat illegal immigration.

I don’t see how it can be done, without running into issues of human rights violation.
It would be easy if police could check for IDs, e-verify mandatory, no benefits in any states without proof of legal status. Yet this won’t fly. Oh and birthright citizenship.
But no politician is suicidal enough to implement any of it. Let alone its against the laws...

How what can be done? Secure our borders? Build the wall. Physical barrier is not 100% effective, but it will be effective enough.

“In Eastern Kentucky's Red River Gorge area, an 18-foot replica of President Donald Trump's border wall is being scaled not only by experienced mountain climbers, but by novices and young children.

One climber even scaled it while juggling.”
https://amp.courier-journal.com/amp/3922494002?__twitter_impression=true

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So that just goes to show that physical barriers don’t work. All the more reason to pursue drastic enforcement and removal tactics to stem the flow.

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Anonymous wrote:DACA can and should be eliminated with a beautiful stroke of a pen; then the clock starts ticking for congress to get off its ass and reform immigration....about 30 years late but better late than never.

+1 million

All of us should want immigration reform. Meaningful, thoughtful immigration reform. Democrats and Republicans should recognize that the American people want them to take care of this.

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Anonymous wrote:DACA can and should be eliminated with a beautiful stroke of a pen; then the clock starts ticking for congress to get off its ass and reform immigration....about 30 years late but better late than never.

+1 million

All of us should want immigration reform. Meaningful, thoughtful immigration reform. Democrats and Republicans should recognize that the American people want them to take care of this.

Reform! Controlled merit based immigration for a prosperous America.

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Anonymous wrote:So that just goes to show that physical barriers don’t work. All the more reason to pursue drastic enforcement and removal tactics to stem the flow.

Tell that to East Germans. Of course in that case, the shooters helped.