I don’t get DACA

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?

If they were born in a different country, by definition they are citizens of that country - if citizenship to a country is not a strong connnection, why in the world are they trying so hard to become American citizens?

So they can drive and hold jobs without fear of being ripped away from their family.

Ahhhh, so they want to be Americans not because of some sense of connection to what it is to be American, but rather a selfish desire to drive a car, make money, and being closer to their family. Here I thought they were claiming some patriotic identiy of being an American. Thanks for clarifying that for me. They are no different from any other economic migrant who wants to be here for convenience.

Immigrants working hard and holding down jobs, being contributing members of society: "They are just here to be selfish!"

Immigrants trying to escape violence directed at them personally: "They just want to be leaches!"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?

If they were born in a different country, by definition they are citizens of that country - if citizenship to a country is not a strong connnection, why in the world are they trying so hard to become American citizens?

So they can drive and hold jobs without fear of being ripped away from their family.

Ahhhh, so they want to be Americans not because of some sense of connection to what it is to be American, but rather a selfish desire to drive a car, make money, and being closer to their family. Here I thought they were claiming some patriotic identiy of being an American. Thanks for clarifying that for me. They are no different from any other economic migrant who wants to be here for convenience.

Exactly.

I live in a MoCo neighborhood with a high number of illegal immigrants and my kids go to school with their kids. We know many of these families and that is exactly the case for most of them. They are here to earn money. Plain and simple.

I love how you generalize and speak for so many people! And overlook the unstable home countries where people are literally being raped and tortured and murdered by not only drug traffickers but also gangs and also law enforcement! Way to go. You must be so proud of your ability to paint with a broad brush.

Why is that our problem? There are a lot of unpleasant countries out there. And a lot of pleasant countries with much tighter immigration and citizenship laws than ours.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Won't this just encourage more foreigners to bring their children into the US illegally?

I get the argument about how the children were not at fault, but I also think that the US needs to enforce its laws. If there is something wrong with the law, then the law should be changed. But allowing people to break the law without penalty is a problem for me, as is anything that would encourage illegal behavior in the future.

You mean the way Melania illegally got a visa, overstayed it and then got her chain migration parents citizenship?

Yes. I wish previous administrations that allowed Melania to overstay illegally took the same actions to enforce the law as Trump's administration.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?

So back to OP, your logic is that Madoff family should have kept the money he embezzled?

Kids did not commit the crime, they should keep the billions.

Solid plan.

This is an inappropriate comparison.

Why? In both cases children would be ripping the fruit of parent's illegal action. Why is it wrong in one scenario and not in another?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This does seem overly complicated to me. If my parents stood money from a bank or embezzled a bunch of money and gave it me I do not get to keep it; or do I?

I just do not see what the big deal is to have the kids go through the normal immigration process, or am I missing some other part of this debate?

Republican here. From my point of view, it’s simple: we paid for their education and deserve to benefit from their skill sets. Makes zero sense to be to deport young people who speak perfect English, understand our customs and history, and have been through our public school system. That is throwing our money away.

Why, instead of paying for illegal's children education, we simply use that money (in Fairfax County, it is $20,000 per child/per year) and educate our own citizen in underprivileged areas and inner cities? You don't think we can benefit from their skills?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?

If they were born in a different country, by definition they are citizens of that country - if citizenship to a country is not a strong connnection, why in the world are they trying so hard to become American citizens?

So they can drive and hold jobs without fear of being ripped away from their family.

Ahhhh, so they want to be Americans not because of some sense of connection to what it is to be American, but rather a selfish desire to drive a car, make money, and being closer to their family. Here I thought they were claiming some patriotic identiy of being an American. Thanks for clarifying that for me. They are no different from any other economic migrant who wants to be here for convenience.

Exactly.

I live in a MoCo neighborhood with a high number of illegal immigrants and my kids go to school with their kids. We know many of these families and that is exactly the case for most of them. They are here to earn money. Plain and simple.

I love how you generalize and speak for so many people! And overlook the unstable home countries where people are literally being raped and tortured and murdered by not only drug traffickers but also gangs and also law enforcement! Way to go. You must be so proud of your ability to paint with a broad brush.

Why is that our problem? There are a lot of unpleasant countries out there. And a lot of pleasant countries with much tighter immigration and citizenship laws than ours.

Seriously.

I am a legal immigrant and I come from a country with a level of poverty that most Americans can't imagine. I could go there and find dozens of people in any given hour who would give an arm and a leg to come to the US. Unfortunately for them, they are too poor to even consider it. And, they are too far away.

If you want to argue that the US needs to do more to help struggling countries around the world, I'm behind that 1000%. But, arguing that illegal immigration is the answer to the world's ills isn't going to cut it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?

So back to OP, your logic is that Madoff family should have kept the money he embezzled?

Kids did not commit the crime, they should keep the billions.

Solid plan.

This is an inappropriate comparison.

Can you clarify? How is that inappropriate?

In both cases, the parent is breaking the law. In one case, you feel the kids shouldn't be rewarded. In the other, you feel the kids should be rewarded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump would make DACA legal in a minute for wall funding.

But everyone wants an issue more than a solution.

These people are now pawns in the political posturing.

This +1 million

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?

So back to OP, your logic is that Madoff family should have kept the money he embezzled?

Kids did not commit the crime, they should keep the billions.

Solid plan.

This is an inappropriate comparison.

Can you clarify? How is that inappropriate?

In both cases, the parent is breaking the law. In one case, you feel the kids shouldn't be rewarded. In the other, you feel the kids should be rewarded.

Because the "rewards" and the cost to society are so vastly different in these examples. In your example the rewards are hundreds of millions of dollars to a few people at the cost of the retirements savings of almost 5000 people. For DACA kids the rewards are living in a land of opportunity and the costs to society are small (statistics anyone?) Many will likely be a net benefit to the U.S. economy.

I have mixed feelings about DACA myself. But your reasoning is pathetic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?

If they were born in a different country, by definition they are citizens of that country - if citizenship to a country is not a strong connnection, why in the world are they trying so hard to become American citizens?

So they can drive and hold jobs without fear of being ripped away from their family.

Ahhhh, so they want to be Americans not because of some sense of connection to what it is to be American, but rather a selfish desire to drive a car, make money, and being closer to their family. Here I thought they were claiming some patriotic identiy of being an American. Thanks for clarifying that for me. They are no different from any other economic migrant who wants to be here for convenience.

Exactly.

I live in a MoCo neighborhood with a high number of illegal immigrants and my kids go to school with their kids. We know many of these families and that is exactly the case for most of them. They are here to earn money. Plain and simple.

I love how you generalize and speak for so many people! And overlook the unstable home countries where people are literally being raped and tortured and murdered by not only drug traffickers but also gangs and also law enforcement! Way to go. You must be so proud of your ability to paint with a broad brush.

Why is that our problem? There are a lot of unpleasant countries out there. And a lot of pleasant countries with much tighter immigration and citizenship laws than ours.

Because the US actually went in and disrupted these countries which caused them to fall apart. You should take a history class.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?

If they were born in a different country, by definition they are citizens of that country - if citizenship to a country is not a strong connnection, why in the world are they trying so hard to become American citizens?

So they can drive and hold jobs without fear of being ripped away from their family.

Ahhhh, so they want to be Americans not because of some sense of connection to what it is to be American, but rather a selfish desire to drive a car, make money, and being closer to their family. Here I thought they were claiming some patriotic identiy of being an American. Thanks for clarifying that for me. They are no different from any other economic migrant who wants to be here for convenience.

Exactly.

I live in a MoCo neighborhood with a high number of illegal immigrants and my kids go to school with their kids. We know many of these families and that is exactly the case for most of them. They are here to earn money. Plain and simple.

I love how you generalize and speak for so many people! And overlook the unstable home countries where people are literally being raped and tortured and murdered by not only drug traffickers but also gangs and also law enforcement! Way to go. You must be so proud of your ability to paint with a broad brush.

Why is that our problem? There are a lot of unpleasant countries out there. And a lot of pleasant countries with much tighter immigration and citizenship laws than ours.

Seriously.

I am a legal immigrant and I come from a country with a level of poverty that most Americans can't imagine. I could go there and find dozens of people in any given hour who would give an arm and a leg to come to the US. Unfortunately for them, they are too poor to even consider it. And, they are too far away.

If you want to argue that the US needs to do more to help struggling countries around the world, I'm behind that 1000%. But, arguing that illegal immigration is the answer to the world's ills isn't going to cut it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?

If they were born in a different country, by definition they are citizens of that country - if citizenship to a country is not a strong connnection, why in the world are they trying so hard to become American citizens?

So they can drive and hold jobs without fear of being ripped away from their family.

Ahhhh, so they want to be Americans not because of some sense of connection to what it is to be American, but rather a selfish desire to drive a car, make money, and being closer to their family. Here I thought they were claiming some patriotic identiy of being an American. Thanks for clarifying that for me. They are no different from any other economic migrant who wants to be here for convenience.

Exactly.

I live in a MoCo neighborhood with a high number of illegal immigrants and my kids go to school with their kids. We know many of these families and that is exactly the case for most of them. They are here to earn money. Plain and simple.

I love how you generalize and speak for so many people! And overlook the unstable home countries where people are literally being raped and tortured and murdered by not only drug traffickers but also gangs and also law enforcement! Way to go. You must be so proud of your ability to paint with a broad brush.

Why is that our problem? There are a lot of unpleasant countries out there. And a lot of pleasant countries with much tighter immigration and citizenship laws than ours.

Because the US actually went in and disrupted these countries which caused them to fall apart. You should take a history class.

Yes, of course. The US has committed many atrocities and we should do a better job of minding our own business. Doesn’t mean we owe anyone anything or need to let the whole world come here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?

If they were born in a different country, by definition they are citizens of that country - if citizenship to a country is not a strong connnection, why in the world are they trying so hard to become American citizens?

So they can drive and hold jobs without fear of being ripped away from their family.

Ahhhh, so they want to be Americans not because of some sense of connection to what it is to be American, but rather a selfish desire to drive a car, make money, and being closer to their family. Here I thought they were claiming some patriotic identiy of being an American. Thanks for clarifying that for me. They are no different from any other economic migrant who wants to be here for convenience.

Exactly.

I live in a MoCo neighborhood with a high number of illegal immigrants and my kids go to school with their kids. We know many of these families and that is exactly the case for most of them. They are here to earn money. Plain and simple.

I love how you generalize and speak for so many people! And overlook the unstable home countries where people are literally being raped and tortured and murdered by not only drug traffickers but also gangs and also law enforcement! Way to go. You must be so proud of your ability to paint with a broad brush.

Why is that our problem? There are a lot of unpleasant countries out there. And a lot of pleasant countries with much tighter immigration and citizenship laws than ours.

Seriously.

I am a legal immigrant and I come from a country with a level of poverty that most Americans can't imagine. I could go there and find dozens of people in any given hour who would give an arm and a leg to come to the US. Unfortunately for them, they are too poor to even consider it. And, they are too far away.

If you want to argue that the US needs to do more to help struggling countries around the world, I'm behind that 1000%. But, arguing that illegal immigration is the answer to the world's ills isn't going to cut it.

If you are an immigrant then perhaps you truly did not know that the US went in to other countries and worked to destabilize them. Please learn about your new country. This isn't about poverty. This is about extreme violence and crime that is a direct result of destabilization. Did the US intend for this to happen? No. But it is our bed. We made it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?

If they were born in a different country, by definition they are citizens of that country - if citizenship to a country is not a strong connnection, why in the world are they trying so hard to become American citizens?

So they can drive and hold jobs without fear of being ripped away from their family.

Ahhhh, so they want to be Americans not because of some sense of connection to what it is to be American, but rather a selfish desire to drive a car, make money, and being closer to their family. Here I thought they were claiming some patriotic identiy of being an American. Thanks for clarifying that for me. They are no different from any other economic migrant who wants to be here for convenience.

Exactly.

I live in a MoCo neighborhood with a high number of illegal immigrants and my kids go to school with their kids. We know many of these families and that is exactly the case for most of them. They are here to earn money. Plain and simple.

I love how you generalize and speak for so many people! And overlook the unstable home countries where people are literally being raped and tortured and murdered by not only drug traffickers but also gangs and also law enforcement! Way to go. You must be so proud of your ability to paint with a broad brush.

Why is that our problem? There are a lot of unpleasant countries out there. And a lot of pleasant countries with much tighter immigration and citizenship laws than ours.

Because the US actually went in and disrupted these countries which caused them to fall apart. You should take a history class.

Yes, of course. The US has committed many atrocities and we should do a better job of minding our own business. Doesn’t mean we owe anyone anything or need to let the whole world come here.

The US destabilized these countries that people are coming from now for our own purposes. NOW you think we should mind our own business and no longer let people go through the legal process of applying for amnesty?

Typical GOP. It all comes down to race, doesn't it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?

If they were born in a different country, by definition they are citizens of that country - if citizenship to a country is not a strong connnection, why in the world are they trying so hard to become American citizens?

So they can drive and hold jobs without fear of being ripped away from their family.

Ahhhh, so they want to be Americans not because of some sense of connection to what it is to be American, but rather a selfish desire to drive a car, make money, and being closer to their family. Here I thought they were claiming some patriotic identiy of being an American. Thanks for clarifying that for me. They are no different from any other economic migrant who wants to be here for convenience.

Exactly.

I live in a MoCo neighborhood with a high number of illegal immigrants and my kids go to school with their kids. We know many of these families and that is exactly the case for most of them. They are here to earn money. Plain and simple.

I love how you generalize and speak for so many people! And overlook the unstable home countries where people are literally being raped and tortured and murdered by not only drug traffickers but also gangs and also law enforcement! Way to go. You must be so proud of your ability to paint with a broad brush.

Why is that our problem? There are a lot of unpleasant countries out there. And a lot of pleasant countries with much tighter immigration and citizenship laws than ours.

Seriously.

I am a legal immigrant and I come from a country with a level of poverty that most Americans can't imagine. I could go there and find dozens of people in any given hour who would give an arm and a leg to come to the US. Unfortunately for them, they are too poor to even consider it. And, they are too far away.

If you want to argue that the US needs to do more to help struggling countries around the world, I'm behind that 1000%. But, arguing that illegal immigration is the answer to the world's ills isn't going to cut it.

If you are an immigrant then perhaps you truly did not know that the US went in to other countries and worked to destabilize them. Please learn about your new country. This isn't about poverty. This is about extreme violence and crime that is a direct result of destabilization. Did the US intend for this to happen? No. But it is our bed. We made it.

So are we now making room for any Iraqi who wishes to come?