Colleges that do NOT push individual pronouns

[Anonymous]

Notre Dame, St. Louis Univeristy, Brigham Young, Liberty

Find a conservative religious school and send your kid there, OP.I'm sure they'll be happy to take your money and protect your snowflake.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope the “they” thing passes. I am not going to engage in this overly sensitive pronoun stupidity.

It’s your right to be grandpa on the lawn yelling at people who pass by. Trans people being out isn’t going to pass. Because the world does move backwards. And in other news, gay people aren’t heading back in the closet because they make you uncomfortable. Deal with the 21st century or don’t. Your call.

And conservatives will not submit to LGBT fascism/delusion. Deal with it

+1.

And, in this regard, 95% of humans are conservative, so this dumb fad will simply dissapear, just as the USSR did.

How did that work out with women who wanted equality? With gay people wanting to get married? The trans community is coming out of the closet and wants rights and to be treated with respect. It’s not a dumb fad. Because trans people have always existed. They are just finally demanding to be seen and heard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope the “they” thing passes. I am not going to engage in this overly sensitive pronoun stupidity.

It’s your right to be grandpa on the lawn yelling at people who pass by. Trans people being out isn’t going to pass. Because the world does move backwards. And in other news, gay people aren’t heading back in the closet because they make you uncomfortable. Deal with the 21st century or don’t. Your call.

And conservatives will not submit to LGBT fascism/delusion. Deal with it

+1.

And, in this regard, 95% of humans are conservative, so this dumb fad will simply dissapear, just as the USSR did.

What bubble do you live in?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for OP (or anyone) to explain how it is "pushing" to make it possible to provide your pronouns if you want to.

Still waiting.

*I do realize that in some situations, one is prompted or pushed.* I agree that that is not right.

But all OP said is that some people had it on their nametags somewhere. If you literally cannot get your nametag and participate in orientation or whatever without providing pronouns, then yes; I agree, that's problematic. But if most people just tend to fill that in because, sure why not, then...that's fine!

Again, like the example upthread of they have provided you with a field to fill in this info if you want to; like "suffix." If you're not a junior/senior, don't fill in the suffix field. OK? If you don't want to provide pronouns, just...don't.

I work at a university. They suggest/sometimes prompt you to provide pronons, on email signatures and conference registration. I simply choose not to, and it's never been a problem. There was one time when the registration form wouldn't let me move forward without filling out the field; I called the event organizer, and within minutes, the online form had been changed to no longer require that.

So again...tell me, exactly, why it is prolbematic simply to provide that mechanism if someone WANTS to use that. How is that "forcing"...anything?

I'll wait.

Let’s put it this way. They can provide pronouns if they want. Just don’t expect anyon to use them

Then you are raising a kid who will one day get fired for this behavior. But hey. They will be “right”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for OP (or anyone) to explain how it is "pushing" to make it possible to provide your pronouns if you want to.

Still waiting.

*I do realize that in some situations, one is prompted or pushed.* I agree that that is not right.

But all OP said is that some people had it on their nametags somewhere. If you literally cannot get your nametag and participate in orientation or whatever without providing pronouns, then yes; I agree, that's problematic. But if most people just tend to fill that in because, sure why not, then...that's fine!

Again, like the example upthread of they have provided you with a field to fill in this info if you want to; like "suffix." If you're not a junior/senior, don't fill in the suffix field. OK? If you don't want to provide pronouns, just...don't.

I work at a university. They suggest/sometimes prompt you to provide pronons, on email signatures and conference registration. I simply choose not to, and it's never been a problem. There was one time when the registration form wouldn't let me move forward without filling out the field; I called the event organizer, and within minutes, the online form had been changed to no longer require that.

So again...tell me, exactly, why it is prolbematic simply to provide that mechanism if someone WANTS to use that. How is that "forcing"...anything?

I'll wait.

Let’s put it this way. They can provide pronouns if they want. Just don’t expect anyon to use them

Actually? Based on lived experience on three college campus now--working with students nearly every day for 22 years? This is nothing new, and I DO expect people to use them. Most people, actually. Whatever their private views, most people have no problem using the preferred pronouns of others in academic and professional settings. I've seen professors, students, staff and parents adapt in the moment to many different scenarios without missing much of a beat, simply by being decent people with good intentions.

It's also easy enough to "work around" the "problem" by simply calling someone by their name when talking to or about them; "Oh, Brian left Brian's backpack behind" should be easy enough to muster if you simply can't say "Brian left her backpack behind." Or just...don't talk to or about Brian, unless it is literally your job to do so. And if it is literally your job to do so, yeah, you better comply with whatever HR lays out for you, or you will be out of a job. Every workplace has rules, guidelines, and standards for conduct, after all.

Try selling your views to someone who hasn't worked with students on a near-daily basis for two decades. Sorry, most people are...already fine with simply treating people with respect and basic dignity. I know that disappoints you. It costs decent people nothing to be decent people.

Whether people use them or not is up to the individual. Most kids I know would laugh in your face if you asked to be called by a pronoun.

Then you are raising some pretty crappy human beings. Because all the kids I know would do as asked, because they are nice kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame, St. Louis Univeristy, Brigham Young, Liberty

Find a conservative religious school and send your kid there, OP.I'm sure they'll be happy to take your money and protect your snowflake.

We’ve been over this. Not Notre Dame.

[Anonymous]

Hillsdale, Thomas Aquinas College

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work in higher ed. This is not a university-wide thing; this is a thing when there are sub-groups and smaller units.

So it's not like UVA will prompt you globally to share your pronouns. It's more like when you join a living-learning program, an email from the director will go around; or if you sign up for a conference, they will prompt it during registration; or when you join a club, an email will get sent around...

This happens in businesses, corporations, nonprofits, etc., OP. When I'm prompted or ask to do so at my institution, I simply don't. I'm never pushed.

OP here. Thank you. A Virginia Tech mom recently wrote an article about all students bearing pronouns on their pre-printed orientation nametags. I'm just curious about how ubiquitous this practice is.

DP. I saw that and was actually stunned that VT is doing this too. It seems much more like a practice that a place like Oberlin would engage in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work in higher ed. This is not a university-wide thing; this is a thing when there are sub-groups and smaller units.

So it's not like UVA will prompt you globally to share your pronouns. It's more like when you join a living-learning program, an email from the director will go around; or if you sign up for a conference, they will prompt it during registration; or when you join a club, an email will get sent around...

This happens in businesses, corporations, nonprofits, etc., OP. When I'm prompted or ask to do so at my institution, I simply don't. I'm never pushed.

OP here. Thank you. A Virginia Tech mom recently wrote an article about all students bearing pronouns on their pre-printed orientation nametags. I'm just curious about how ubiquitous this practice is.

DP. I saw that and was actually stunned that VT is doing this too. It seems much more like a practice that a place like Oberlin would engage in.

Oberlin = kaput

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for OP (or anyone) to explain how it is "pushing" to make it possible to provide your pronouns if you want to.

Still waiting.

*I do realize that in some situations, one is prompted or pushed.* I agree that that is not right.

But all OP said is that some people had it on their nametags somewhere. If you literally cannot get your nametag and participate in orientation or whatever without providing pronouns, then yes; I agree, that's problematic. But if most people just tend to fill that in because, sure why not, then...that's fine!

Again, like the example upthread of they have provided you with a field to fill in this info if you want to; like "suffix." If you're not a junior/senior, don't fill in the suffix field. OK? If you don't want to provide pronouns, just...don't.

I work at a university. They suggest/sometimes prompt you to provide pronons, on email signatures and conference registration. I simply choose not to, and it's never been a problem. There was one time when the registration form wouldn't let me move forward without filling out the field; I called the event organizer, and within minutes, the online form had been changed to no longer require that.

So again...tell me, exactly, why it is prolbematic simply to provide that mechanism if someone WANTS to use that. How is that "forcing"...anything?

I'll wait.

Apparently, Virginia Tech put everyone's pronouns on nametags.
https://thefederalist.com/2019/08/14/sons-freshman-orientation-virginia-tech-full-leftist-propaganda/
It does not seem that providing the pronouns was an optional activity. If it was, then the Virginia Tech mom was silly to complain. I have sympathy for trans people. I have sympathy for intersex people. I'm having a hard time having sympathy for people who simply don't want to identify with a gender.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for OP (or anyone) to explain how it is "pushing" to make it possible to provide your pronouns if you want to.

Still waiting.

*I do realize that in some situations, one is prompted or pushed.* I agree that that is not right.

But all OP said is that some people had it on their nametags somewhere. If you literally cannot get your nametag and participate in orientation or whatever without providing pronouns, then yes; I agree, that's problematic. But if most people just tend to fill that in because, sure why not, then...that's fine!

Again, like the example upthread of they have provided you with a field to fill in this info if you want to; like "suffix." If you're not a junior/senior, don't fill in the suffix field. OK? If you don't want to provide pronouns, just...don't.

I work at a university. They suggest/sometimes prompt you to provide pronons, on email signatures and conference registration. I simply choose not to, and it's never been a problem. There was one time when the registration form wouldn't let me move forward without filling out the field; I called the event organizer, and within minutes, the online form had been changed to no longer require that.

So again...tell me, exactly, why it is prolbematic simply to provide that mechanism if someone WANTS to use that. How is that "forcing"...anything?

I'll wait.

Apparently, Virginia Tech put everyone's pronouns on nametags.
https://thefederalist.com/2019/08/14/sons-freshman-orientation-virginia-tech-full-leftist-propaganda/
It does not seem that providing the pronouns was an optional activity. If it was, then the Virginia Tech mom was silly to complain. I have sympathy for trans people. I have sympathy for intersex people. I'm having a hard time having sympathy for people who simply don't want to identify with a gender.

I wouldn’t take what a mom with an agenda told the Federalists as gospel. Maybe an actual VT parent can weigh in on whether kids were required to, or give the option.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work in higher ed. This is not a university-wide thing; this is a thing when there are sub-groups and smaller units.

So it's not like UVA will prompt you globally to share your pronouns. It's more like when you join a living-learning program, an email from the director will go around; or if you sign up for a conference, they will prompt it during registration; or when you join a club, an email will get sent around...

This happens in businesses, corporations, nonprofits, etc., OP. When I'm prompted or ask to do so at my institution, I simply don't. I'm never pushed.

OP here. Thank you. A Virginia Tech mom recently wrote an article about all students bearing pronouns on their pre-printed orientation nametags. I'm just curious about how ubiquitous this practice is.

DP. I saw that and was actually stunned that VT is doing this too. It seems much more like a practice that a place like Oberlin would engage in.

hi DP! Liberty it is for you!

[Anonymous]

UMASS Amherst 100 percent prohibited on campus

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hey, what if you forget? I am bad with names when meeting multiple people in a short time span. I could just as easily forget your designated gender. I can get in trouble for that?

My kid work with a changed gender person who never cared if they got the pronoun wrong. Also worked with the sibling of a changed gêner person who was iterate on behalf of the fo-worker who was easy-going about the wrong pronouns use. There’s never one answer for many people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for OP (or anyone) to explain how it is "pushing" to make it possible to provide your pronouns if you want to.

Still waiting.

*I do realize that in some situations, one is prompted or pushed.* I agree that that is not right.

But all OP said is that some people had it on their nametags somewhere. If you literally cannot get your nametag and participate in orientation or whatever without providing pronouns, then yes; I agree, that's problematic. But if most people just tend to fill that in because, sure why not, then...that's fine!

Again, like the example upthread of they have provided you with a field to fill in this info if you want to; like "suffix." If you're not a junior/senior, don't fill in the suffix field. OK? If you don't want to provide pronouns, just...don't.

I work at a university. They suggest/sometimes prompt you to provide pronons, on email signatures and conference registration. I simply choose not to, and it's never been a problem. There was one time when the registration form wouldn't let me move forward without filling out the field; I called the event organizer, and within minutes, the online form had been changed to no longer require that.

So again...tell me, exactly, why it is prolbematic simply to provide that mechanism if someone WANTS to use that. How is that "forcing"...anything?

I'll wait.

Let’s put it this way. They can provide pronouns if they want. Just don’t expect anyon to use them

Actually? Based on lived experience on three college campus now--working with students nearly every day for 22 years? This is nothing new, and I DO expect people to use them. Most people, actually. Whatever their private views, most people have no problem using the preferred pronouns of others in academic and professional settings. I've seen professors, students, staff and parents adapt in the moment to many different scenarios without missing much of a beat, simply by being decent people with good intentions.

It's also easy enough to "work around" the "problem" by simply calling someone by their name when talking to or about them; "Oh, Brian left Brian's backpack behind" should be easy enough to muster if you simply can't say "Brian left her backpack behind." Or just...don't talk to or about Brian, unless it is literally your job to do so. And if it is literally your job to do so, yeah, you better comply with whatever HR lays out for you, or you will be out of a job. Every workplace has rules, guidelines, and standards for conduct, after all.

Try selling your views to someone who hasn't worked with students on a near-daily basis for two decades. Sorry, most people are...already fine with simply treating people with respect and basic dignity. I know that disappoints you. It costs decent people nothing to be decent people.

Whether people use them or not is up to the individual. Most kids I know would laugh in your face if you asked to be called by a pronoun.

There are campus and employment policies in place right now that make calling someone the incorrect pronouns on purpose and repeatedly an action that can get you fired or expelled. Repeatedly disrespecting someone else's gender identity is a form of bullying. You may not like this reality, but those "kids" you speak of can certainly find themselves fired or expelled for behaving like bullies. And rightfully so.