Colleges that do NOT push individual pronouns

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Anonymous wrote:I work in higher ed. This is not a university-wide thing; this is a thing when there are sub-groups and smaller units.

So it's not like UVA will prompt you globally to share your pronouns. It's more like when you join a living-learning program, an email from the director will go around; or if you sign up for a conference, they will prompt it during registration; or when you join a club, an email will get sent around...

This happens in businesses, corporations, nonprofits, etc., OP. When I'm prompted or ask to do so at my institution, I simply don't. I'm never pushed.

OP here. Thank you. A Virginia Tech mom recently wrote an article about all students bearing pronouns on their pre-printed orientation nametags. I'm just curious about how ubiquitous this practice is.

When prompted, some students choose to share that info, and some do not. If you don't enter that information, the name tag will just state your name. What is hard to grasp about this?

False. Virginia Tech put all pronouns on orientation tags.

Op this would annoy me too. It’s supposed to be college, not a freaking kindergarten

[Anonymous]

I work closely with management teams in global corporations and tech firms, and that is simply false.

It would be career suicide to start any meeting by stating your pronouns and asking other to do the same. People would think you're the dumbest American.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I shouldn’t be expected to participate in someone else’s delusion.

If I want to be addressed as Your Majesty, how many people do you think would oblige?

I would. Most polite people would. We’d think you’re a nutjub. But sure. If you insist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I shouldn’t be expected to participate in someone else’s delusion.

If I want to be addressed as Your Majesty, how many people do you think would oblige?

I would. Most polite people would. We’d think you’re a nutjub. But sure. If you insist.

Great. Can I call so-called transgenders who want to be addressed by the wrong pronouns “nutjobs?” Just checking

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Eh, OP is a troll trying to stir up trouble.

Most college staff and faculty don't worry about "pronouns" they have more important things to do. They will call you by your first name, last name you list when enrolling. Nobody walks around at a university calling everyone Ms. larla or Mr. larlo.

OP here. I really wanted to know what people think. Would some reputable universities in the South (Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, Baylor, SMU, Ole Miss, 'Bama) still assume that most people are binary?

Wake Grad here. It big on pro humanitata and shedding the we were once part of the Southern Baptist convention. They might not make a big deal about asking for pronouns. They will definitely respect them and take it into account in assigning roommates.

For example, mid 1990s I lived in a mixed gender dorm on a mixed gender hall, and kids just shrugged and decided as a group to make the bathrooms mixed gender. Which they unofficially became. And no one cared.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hey, what if you forget? I am bad with names when meeting multiple people in a short time span. I could just as easily forget your designated gender. I can get in trouble for that?

Yes. You get expelled. /s

I have poor auditory processing and have trouble getting the pronunciation of foreign names right. And sometime people correct me, and say it’s actually pronounced xxxxx. Which has literally never happened rudely. And I’ll say my bad and try to do better. This is how it works. A kid makes a mistake. Another kid corrects them them politely. The kid who made a mistakes makes an effort to get it right next time.

The only issue arises when people like OP try to weaponize someone’s gender. And go out of their way to clearly and intentionally misuse a trans kids pronouns to prove they think the other kid is wrong. That’s bullying and should be stopped.

[Anonymous]

Maybe Uni of Miami? I don’t think their internal communication is doing this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope the “they” thing passes. I am not going to engage in this overly sensitive pronoun stupidity.

It’s your right to be grandpa on the lawn yelling at people who pass by. Trans people being out isn’t going to pass. Because the world does move backwards. And in other news, gay people aren’t heading back in the closet because they make you uncomfortable. Deal with the 21st century or don’t. Your call.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I shouldn’t be expected to participate in someone else’s delusion.

If I want to be addressed as Your Majesty, how many people do you think would oblige?

I would. Most polite people would. We’d think you’re a nutjub. But sure. If you insist.

Great. Can I call so-called transgenders who want to be addressed by the wrong pronouns “nutjobs?” Just checking

You can think whatever you want. Not sure saying it out loud would go over well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope the “they” thing passes. I am not going to engage in this overly sensitive pronoun stupidity.

It’s your right to be grandpa on the lawn yelling at people who pass by. Trans people being out isn’t going to pass. Because the world does move backwards. And in other news, gay people aren’t heading back in the closet because they make you uncomfortable. Deal with the 21st century or don’t. Your call.

And conservatives will not submit to LGBT fascism/delusion. Deal with it

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope the “they” thing passes. I am not going to engage in this overly sensitive pronoun stupidity.

It’s your right to be grandpa on the lawn yelling at people who pass by. Trans people being out isn’t going to pass. Because the world does move backwards. And in other news, gay people aren’t heading back in the closet because they make you uncomfortable. Deal with the 21st century or don’t. Your call.

And conservatives will not submit to LGBT fascism/delusion. Deal with it

+1.

And, in this regard, 95% of humans are conservative, so this dumb fad will simply dissapear, just as the USSR did.

[Anonymous]

Still waiting for OP (or anyone) to explain how it is "pushing" to make it possible to provide your pronouns if you want to.

Still waiting.

*I do realize that in some situations, one is prompted or pushed.* I agree that that is not right.

But all OP said is that some people had it on their nametags somewhere. If you literally cannot get your nametag and participate in orientation or whatever without providing pronouns, then yes; I agree, that's problematic. But if most people just tend to fill that in because, sure why not, then...that's fine!

Again, like the example upthread of they have provided you with a field to fill in this info if you want to; like "suffix." If you're not a junior/senior, don't fill in the suffix field. OK? If you don't want to provide pronouns, just...don't.

I work at a university. They suggest/sometimes prompt you to provide pronons, on email signatures and conference registration. I simply choose not to, and it's never been a problem. There was one time when the registration form wouldn't let me move forward without filling out the field; I called the event organizer, and within minutes, the online form had been changed to no longer require that.

So again...tell me, exactly, why it is prolbematic simply to provide that mechanism if someone WANTS to use that. How is that "forcing"...anything?

I'll wait.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for OP (or anyone) to explain how it is "pushing" to make it possible to provide your pronouns if you want to.

Still waiting.

*I do realize that in some situations, one is prompted or pushed.* I agree that that is not right.

But all OP said is that some people had it on their nametags somewhere. If you literally cannot get your nametag and participate in orientation or whatever without providing pronouns, then yes; I agree, that's problematic. But if most people just tend to fill that in because, sure why not, then...that's fine!

Again, like the example upthread of they have provided you with a field to fill in this info if you want to; like "suffix." If you're not a junior/senior, don't fill in the suffix field. OK? If you don't want to provide pronouns, just...don't.

I work at a university. They suggest/sometimes prompt you to provide pronons, on email signatures and conference registration. I simply choose not to, and it's never been a problem. There was one time when the registration form wouldn't let me move forward without filling out the field; I called the event organizer, and within minutes, the online form had been changed to no longer require that.

So again...tell me, exactly, why it is prolbematic simply to provide that mechanism if someone WANTS to use that. How is that "forcing"...anything?

I'll wait.

Let’s put it this way. They can provide pronouns if they want. Just don’t expect anyon to use them

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for OP (or anyone) to explain how it is "pushing" to make it possible to provide your pronouns if you want to.

Still waiting.

*I do realize that in some situations, one is prompted or pushed.* I agree that that is not right.

But all OP said is that some people had it on their nametags somewhere. If you literally cannot get your nametag and participate in orientation or whatever without providing pronouns, then yes; I agree, that's problematic. But if most people just tend to fill that in because, sure why not, then...that's fine!

Again, like the example upthread of they have provided you with a field to fill in this info if you want to; like "suffix." If you're not a junior/senior, don't fill in the suffix field. OK? If you don't want to provide pronouns, just...don't.

I work at a university. They suggest/sometimes prompt you to provide pronons, on email signatures and conference registration. I simply choose not to, and it's never been a problem. There was one time when the registration form wouldn't let me move forward without filling out the field; I called the event organizer, and within minutes, the online form had been changed to no longer require that.

So again...tell me, exactly, why it is prolbematic simply to provide that mechanism if someone WANTS to use that. How is that "forcing"...anything?

I'll wait.

Let’s put it this way. They can provide pronouns if they want. Just don’t expect anyon to use them

Actually? Based on lived experience on three college campus now--working with students nearly every day for 22 years? This is nothing new, and I DO expect people to use them. Most people, actually. Whatever their private views, most people have no problem using the preferred pronouns of others in academic and professional settings. I've seen professors, students, staff and parents adapt in the moment to many different scenarios without missing much of a beat, simply by being decent people with good intentions.

It's also easy enough to "work around" the "problem" by simply calling someone by their name when talking to or about them; "Oh, Brian left Brian's backpack behind" should be easy enough to muster if you simply can't say "Brian left her backpack behind." Or just...don't talk to or about Brian, unless it is literally your job to do so. And if it is literally your job to do so, yeah, you better comply with whatever HR lays out for you, or you will be out of a job. Every workplace has rules, guidelines, and standards for conduct, after all.

Try selling your views to someone who hasn't worked with students on a near-daily basis for two decades. Sorry, most people are...already fine with simply treating people with respect and basic dignity. I know that disappoints you. It costs decent people nothing to be decent people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for OP (or anyone) to explain how it is "pushing" to make it possible to provide your pronouns if you want to.

Still waiting.

*I do realize that in some situations, one is prompted or pushed.* I agree that that is not right.

But all OP said is that some people had it on their nametags somewhere. If you literally cannot get your nametag and participate in orientation or whatever without providing pronouns, then yes; I agree, that's problematic. But if most people just tend to fill that in because, sure why not, then...that's fine!

Again, like the example upthread of they have provided you with a field to fill in this info if you want to; like "suffix." If you're not a junior/senior, don't fill in the suffix field. OK? If you don't want to provide pronouns, just...don't.

I work at a university. They suggest/sometimes prompt you to provide pronons, on email signatures and conference registration. I simply choose not to, and it's never been a problem. There was one time when the registration form wouldn't let me move forward without filling out the field; I called the event organizer, and within minutes, the online form had been changed to no longer require that.

So again...tell me, exactly, why it is prolbematic simply to provide that mechanism if someone WANTS to use that. How is that "forcing"...anything?

I'll wait.

Let’s put it this way. They can provide pronouns if they want. Just don’t expect anyon to use them

Actually? Based on lived experience on three college campus now--working with students nearly every day for 22 years? This is nothing new, and I DO expect people to use them. Most people, actually. Whatever their private views, most people have no problem using the preferred pronouns of others in academic and professional settings. I've seen professors, students, staff and parents adapt in the moment to many different scenarios without missing much of a beat, simply by being decent people with good intentions.

It's also easy enough to "work around" the "problem" by simply calling someone by their name when talking to or about them; "Oh, Brian left Brian's backpack behind" should be easy enough to muster if you simply can't say "Brian left her backpack behind." Or just...don't talk to or about Brian, unless it is literally your job to do so. And if it is literally your job to do so, yeah, you better comply with whatever HR lays out for you, or you will be out of a job. Every workplace has rules, guidelines, and standards for conduct, after all.

Try selling your views to someone who hasn't worked with students on a near-daily basis for two decades. Sorry, most people are...already fine with simply treating people with respect and basic dignity. I know that disappoints you. It costs decent people nothing to be decent people.

Whether people use them or not is up to the individual. Most kids I know would laugh in your face if you asked to be called by a pronoun.