Official Abortion Thread

[Anonymous]

I especially love going back to re-read all the male journalists and pundits and lawmakers who assured us that women were being hysterical and reactionary, worrying that exactly this was going to happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm so tired of white men punishing women for having the anatomy they have. The misogyny of forcing women to remain pregnant and force birth is unreal.

Are you sure it is white men punishing women? Many abortions and unwanted oregnancies are among the African American and Hispanic groups. It might not fit your narrative, but look at the men who create the need for abortions.

[Anonymous]

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Ah my hero. The great Eugenicist, Margaret Sanger. Please do one for Eleanor Roosevelt, too

If you want to take her out of context, sure. But she did far more for women of all colors than most others. You should be thanking her for all that she did.

Educate yourself:
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/9214/7612/8734/Sanger_Fact_Sheet_Oct_2016.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm so tired of white men punishing women for having the anatomy they have. The misogyny of forcing women to remain pregnant and force birth is unreal.

Are you sure it is white men punishing women? Many abortions and unwanted oregnancies are among the African American and Hispanic groups. It might not fit your narrative, but look at the men who create the need for abortions.

You are a racist POS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm so tired of white men punishing women for having the anatomy they have. The misogyny of forcing women to remain pregnant and force birth is unreal.

Are you sure it is white men punishing women? Many abortions and unwanted oregnancies are among the African American and Hispanic groups. It might not fit your narrative, but look at the men who create the need for abortions.

It's not about the "need" for abortion - it's about the choice of a woman to make a decision about her own body. And it's absolutely white men who have so much hatred for women making their own choices.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/14/alabama-abortion-ban-white-men-republicans?utm_source=theguardian&utm_medium=actionfb&utm_campaign=actionfb-states&utm_content=05014&fbclid=IwAR2zAOhENgsiuA9iCUeH2SOTUI-MSncLvxkBIqvQh6H5ZdPPsiHYgS_zpbs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm so tired of white men punishing women for having the anatomy they have. The misogyny of forcing women to remain pregnant and force birth is unreal.

Are you sure it is white men punishing women? Many abortions and unwanted oregnancies are among the African American and Hispanic groups. It might not fit your narrative, but look at the men who create the need for abortions.

How many men of color voted for the Bill in Alabama last night?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Abortions performed that end a persons life for no other reason than convenience isn't healthcare - change my mind....

Embryos and fetuses aren't people you weirdo.

Yes they are. Alabama is protecting them. Sorry.

What are they? cows? dogs?

They're people.

They're zygots, blastocysts, embryos, fetuses with the potential to one day be a person.

Not a person:

There’s no doubt human life begins at conception.

The question came up of what is an embryo, when does an embryo exist, when does it occur. I think, as you know, that in development, life is a continuum.... But I think one of the useful definitions that has come out, especially from Germany, has been the stage at which these two nuclei [from sperm and egg] come together and the membranes between the two break down."
[Jonathan Van Blerkom of University of Colorado, expert witness on human embryology before the NIH Human Embryo Research Panel -- Panel Transcript, February 2, 1994, p. 63]

Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity."
[O'Rahilly, Ronan and M?ller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}]

Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)... The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual."
[Carlson, Bruce M. Patten's Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3]

Why do people think human life does not begin at conception?

The life cycle of mammals begins when a sperm enters an egg.”
Okada et al., A role for the elongator complex in zygotic paternal genome demethylation, NATURE 463:554 (Jan. 28, 2010)

Human life begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoon) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.” “A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).”

Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.


The science is clear.

[Anonymous]

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There’s no doubt human life begins at conception.

There is absolutely doubt because there is disagreement about what it means to be human. Is the biological fact of being homo sapiens all there is to being "human?" Is it the mere biological fact of being homo sapiens that entitles a being to greater moral consideration than we give to other beings? Why should that be? What is the moral logic behind giving more rights to a permanently vegetative homo sapiens than we give to a fully alert, functional adult dog?

These are difficult moral/religious questions. You can't avoid them by simply declaring "human life! End of discussion!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
There’s no doubt human life begins at conception.

There is absolutely doubt because there is disagreement about what it means to be human. Is the biological fact of being homo sapiens all there is to being "human?" Is it the mere biological fact of being homo sapiens that entitles a being to greater moral consideration than we give to other beings? Why should that be? What is the moral logic behind giving more rights to a permanently vegetative homo sapiens than we give to a fully alert, functional adult dog?

These are difficult moral/religious questions. You can't avoid them by simply declaring "human life! End of discussion!"

*see scientists above*

[Anonymous]

The GOP wants to normalize the rape of children. They spent so much time and money accusing dems of running underground pizza baby trafficking operations, but as we all know, it was fantasy. The far right wing way is to accuse others of the crimes they do themselves.

[Anonymous]

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Ah my hero. The great Eugenicist, Margaret Sanger. Please do one for Eleanor Roosevelt, too

If you want to take her out of context, sure. But she did far more for women of all colors than most others. You should be thanking her for all that she did.

Educate yourself:
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/9214/7612/8734/Sanger_Fact_Sheet_Oct_2016.pdf

Donald Trump is a known racist and eugenist and yet...

[Anonymous]

A cancer cell in a man or woman is human life. It's alive, it's made of human DNA. Maybe your lifestyle choices caused it - so why should you be allowed to pursue medical treatment?

An embryo cannot exist without being completely and totally physically dependent on a woman - therefore it is not a "being" - it has no capacity to independently exist. It is therefore not an individual.

By all means make your own moral/religious decisions for yourself, but to force any person to remain pregnant and to give birth, is to take away HER sovereignty. But we all know white males in America don't believe women should have sovereignty in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
There’s no doubt human life begins at conception.

There is absolutely doubt because there is disagreement about what it means to be human. Is the biological fact of being homo sapiens all there is to being "human?" Is it the mere biological fact of being homo sapiens that entitles a being to greater moral consideration than we give to other beings? Why should that be? What is the moral logic behind giving more rights to a permanently vegetative homo sapiens than we give to a fully alert, functional adult dog?

These are difficult moral/religious questions. You can't avoid them by simply declaring "human life! End of discussion!"

+1.

Abortion is an extraordinarily complex political/moral issue. I'm astonished that folks on both sides are so certain of their position and so scornful of the opposing view.

Core freedom to control our bodies vs. "life" (or "almost life", or the "beginning of life")? Not an easy call for me. At all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A cancer cell in a man or woman is human life. It's alive, it's made of human DNA. Maybe your lifestyle choices caused it - so why should you be allowed to pursue medical treatment?

An embryo cannot exist without being completely and totally physically dependent on a woman - therefore it is not a "being" - it has no capacity to independently exist. It is therefore not an individual.

By all means make your own moral/religious decisions for yourself, but to force any person to remain pregnant and to give birth, is to take away HER sovereignty. But we all know white males in America don't believe women should have sovereignty in the first place.

What's your evidence for imputing this motive?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A cancer cell in a man or woman is human life. It's alive, it's made of human DNA. Maybe your lifestyle choices caused it - so why should you be allowed to pursue medical treatment?

An embryo cannot exist without being completely and totally physically dependent on a woman - therefore it is not a "being" - it has no capacity to independently exist. It is therefore not an individual.

By all means make your own moral/religious decisions for yourself, but to force any person to remain pregnant and to give birth, is to take away HER sovereignty. But we all know white males in America don't believe women should have sovereignty in the first place.

What's your evidence for imputing this motive?

Uh. Alabama? See the Guardian article above. The overwhelming number of people in charge making these decisions are white males. You want to get mad at someone for slandering your demographic, get mad at them.