Official Abortion Thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A cancer cell in a man or woman is human life. It's alive, it's made of human DNA. Maybe your lifestyle choices caused it - so why should you be allowed to pursue medical treatment?

An embryo cannot exist without being completely and totally physically dependent on a woman - therefore it is not a "being" - it has no capacity to independently exist. It is therefore not an individual.

By all means make your own moral/religious decisions for yourself, but to force any person to remain pregnant and to give birth, is to take away HER sovereignty. But we all know white males in America don't believe women should have sovereignty in the first place.

Cancer cells differ from normal cells in many ways that allow them to grow out of control and become invasive. One important difference is that cancer cells are less specialized than normal cells. That is, whereas normal cells mature into very distinct cell types with specific functions, cancer cells do not.

Cancer is a broad term. It describes the disease that results when cellular changes cause the uncontrolled growth and division of cells.

Most of the body's cells have specific functions and fixed lifespans. While it may sound like a bad thing, cell death is part of a natural and beneficial phenomenon called apoptosis.

Human embryos have a specific function: life.

There are different categories of cancer cell, defined according to the cell type from which they originate.[2]

Carcinoma, the majority of cancer cells are epithelial in origin, beginning in the membranous tissues that line the surfaces of the body.
Leukaemia, originate in the tissues responsible for producing new blood cells, most commonly in the bone marrow.
Lymphoma and myeloma, derived from cells of the immune system.
Sarcoma, originating in connective tissue, including fat, muscle and bone.
Central nervous system, derived from cells of the body and spinal cord.
Mesothelioma, originating in the mesothelium; the lining of body cavities.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer_cell

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:


These women should be very unconcerned about rape and pregnancy.

Men rape 5 year olds, and men rape 85 year olds. Doesn't matter how you act or what you look like.

Rape is about power. And now Alabama rapists will have to power to force women to raise kids conceived with rapist DNA, possibly leading to more rapists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A cancer cell in a man or woman is human life. It's alive, it's made of human DNA. Maybe your lifestyle choices caused it - so why should you be allowed to pursue medical treatment?

An embryo cannot exist without being completely and totally physically dependent on a woman - therefore it is not a "being" - it has no capacity to independently exist. It is therefore not an individual.

By all means make your own moral/religious decisions for yourself, but to force any person to remain pregnant and to give birth, is to take away HER sovereignty. But we all know white males in America don't believe women should have sovereignty in the first place.

Cancer cells differ from normal cells in many ways that allow them to grow out of control and become invasive. One important difference is that cancer cells are less specialized than normal cells. That is, whereas normal cells mature into very distinct cell types with specific functions, cancer cells do not.

Cancer is a broad term. It describes the disease that results when cellular changes cause the uncontrolled growth and division of cells.

Most of the body's cells have specific functions and fixed lifespans. While it may sound like a bad thing, cell death is part of a natural and beneficial phenomenon called apoptosis.

Human embryos have a specific function: life.

There are different categories of cancer cell, defined according to the cell type from which they originate.[2]

Carcinoma, the majority of cancer cells are epithelial in origin, beginning in the membranous tissues that line the surfaces of the body.
Leukaemia, originate in the tissues responsible for producing new blood cells, most commonly in the bone marrow.
Lymphoma and myeloma, derived from cells of the immune system.
Sarcoma, originating in connective tissue, including fat, muscle and bone.
Central nervous system, derived from cells of the body and spinal cord.
Mesothelioma, originating in the mesothelium; the lining of body cavities.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer_cell

Any way you want to spin it, an embryo is still not a human being. If cannot exist and function to "life" within its own cellular development, alone or by itself. It is not a person. It is not a being.

[Anonymous]

With these new laws, are women subject to imprisonment and/or death penalty or not?

Or just doctors?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A cancer cell in a man or woman is human life. It's alive, it's made of human DNA. Maybe your lifestyle choices caused it - so why should you be allowed to pursue medical treatment?

An embryo cannot exist without being completely and totally physically dependent on a woman - therefore it is not a "being" - it has no capacity to independently exist. It is therefore not an individual.

By all means make your own moral/religious decisions for yourself, but to force any person to remain pregnant and to give birth, is to take away HER sovereignty. But we all know white males in America don't believe women should have sovereignty in the first place.

What's your evidence for imputing this motive?

Uh. Alabama? See the Guardian article above. The overwhelming number of people in charge making these decisions are white males. You want to get mad at someone for slandering your demographic, get mad at them.

I didn't ask why you identified white males specifically. I asked why you imputed the specific motive of "[not] believing women should have sovereignty"?

It's pretty obvious to me that the motivator here is a religion-inspired moral belief that a fetus is life, with a secondary motivator being general disapproval of sex except in missionary position 1x/mo with one's spouse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A cancer cell in a man or woman is human life. It's alive, it's made of human DNA. Maybe your lifestyle choices caused it - so why should you be allowed to pursue medical treatment?

An embryo cannot exist without being completely and totally physically dependent on a woman - therefore it is not a "being" - it has no capacity to independently exist. It is therefore not an individual.

By all means make your own moral/religious decisions for yourself, but to force any person to remain pregnant and to give birth, is to take away HER sovereignty. But we all know white males in America don't believe women should have sovereignty in the first place.

Cancer cells differ from normal cells in many ways that allow them to grow out of control and become invasive. One important difference is that cancer cells are less specialized than normal cells. That is, whereas normal cells mature into very distinct cell types with specific functions, cancer cells do not.

Cancer is a broad term. It describes the disease that results when cellular changes cause the uncontrolled growth and division of cells.

Most of the body's cells have specific functions and fixed lifespans. While it may sound like a bad thing, cell death is part of a natural and beneficial phenomenon called apoptosis.

Human embryos have a specific function: life.

There are different categories of cancer cell, defined according to the cell type from which they originate.[2]

Carcinoma, the majority of cancer cells are epithelial in origin, beginning in the membranous tissues that line the surfaces of the body.
Leukaemia, originate in the tissues responsible for producing new blood cells, most commonly in the bone marrow.
Lymphoma and myeloma, derived from cells of the immune system.
Sarcoma, originating in connective tissue, including fat, muscle and bone.
Central nervous system, derived from cells of the body and spinal cord.
Mesothelioma, originating in the mesothelium; the lining of body cavities.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer_cell

Any way you want to spin it, an embryo is still not a human being. If cannot exist and function to "life" within its own cellular development, alone or by itself. It is not a person. It is not a being.

The question came up of what is an embryo, when does an embryo exist, when does it occur. I think, as you know, that in development, life is a continuum.... But I think one of the useful definitions that has come out, especially from Germany, has been the stage at which these two nuclei [from sperm and egg] come together and the membranes between the two break down."
[Jonathan Van Blerkom of University of Colorado, expert witness on human embryology before the NIH Human Embryo Research Panel -- Panel Transcript, February 2, 1994, p. 63]

Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity."
[O'Rahilly, Ronan and M?ller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}]

Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)... The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual."
[Carlson, Bruce M. Patten's Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3]

Why do people think human life does not begin at conception?

The life cycle of mammals begins when a sperm enters an egg.”
Okada et al., A role for the elongator complex in zygotic paternal genome demethylation, NATURE 463:554 (Jan. 28, 2010)

Human life begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoon) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.” “A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).”

Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.


I expect you to be an anti-vaxxer, flat earther, climate change denier, as well.

You are denying basic science and have no shame.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Abortions performed that end a persons life for no other reason than convenience isn't healthcare - change my mind....

Embryos and fetuses aren't people you weirdo.

Yes they are. Alabama is protecting them. Sorry.

What are they? cows? dogs?

They're people.

They're zygots, blastocysts, embryos, fetuses with the potential to one day be a person.

Not a person:

There’s no doubt human life begins at conception.

The question came up of what is an embryo, when does an embryo exist, when does it occur. I think, as you know, that in development, life is a continuum.... But I think one of the useful definitions that has come out, especially from Germany, has been the stage at which these two nuclei [from sperm and egg] come together and the membranes between the two break down."
[Jonathan Van Blerkom of University of Colorado, expert witness on human embryology before the NIH Human Embryo Research Panel -- Panel Transcript, February 2, 1994, p. 63]

Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity."
[O'Rahilly, Ronan and M?ller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}]

Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)... The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual."
[Carlson, Bruce M. Patten's Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3]

Why do people think human life does not begin at conception?

The life cycle of mammals begins when a sperm enters an egg.”
Okada et al., A role for the elongator complex in zygotic paternal genome demethylation, NATURE 463:554 (Jan. 28, 2010)

Human life begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoon) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.” “A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).”

Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.


The science is clear.

And nature gets rid of well more than half of human conceptions before they get to term, a good portion of them before a woman knows she’s pregnant. If nature is so cavalier about the “sacredness” of embryonic human life that it makes human reproduction so inefficient and discards so many embryos and fetuses, what makes you feel so superior that you can judge a zygote to have more rights than the grown woman on whose body it depends to transform into a person?

[Anonymous]

Copy, paste, copy, paste... who's the one who has no shame?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A cancer cell in a man or woman is human life. It's alive, it's made of human DNA. Maybe your lifestyle choices caused it - so why should you be allowed to pursue medical treatment?

An embryo cannot exist without being completely and totally physically dependent on a woman - therefore it is not a "being" - it has no capacity to independently exist. It is therefore not an individual.

By all means make your own moral/religious decisions for yourself, but to force any person to remain pregnant and to give birth, is to take away HER sovereignty. But we all know white males in America don't believe women should have sovereignty in the first place.

What's your evidence for imputing this motive?

Non-Catholics didn't pick up the cause of abortion until the early 70s in reaction to the women's liberation movement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With these new laws, are women subject to imprisonment and/or death penalty or not?

Or just doctors?

Yes, up to 99 years.

[Anonymous]

Do you think Alabama Abortion law, when signed by the governor, could be called Christian Sharia Law for women of childbearing age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A cancer cell in a man or woman is human life. It's alive, it's made of human DNA. Maybe your lifestyle choices caused it - so why should you be allowed to pursue medical treatment?

An embryo cannot exist without being completely and totally physically dependent on a woman - therefore it is not a "being" - it has no capacity to independently exist. It is therefore not an individual.

By all means make your own moral/religious decisions for yourself, but to force any person to remain pregnant and to give birth, is to take away HER sovereignty. But we all know white males in America don't believe women should have sovereignty in the first place.

Cancer cells differ from normal cells in many ways that allow them to grow out of control and become invasive. One important difference is that cancer cells are less specialized than normal cells. That is, whereas normal cells mature into very distinct cell types with specific functions, cancer cells do not.

Cancer is a broad term. It describes the disease that results when cellular changes cause the uncontrolled growth and division of cells.

Most of the body's cells have specific functions and fixed lifespans. While it may sound like a bad thing, cell death is part of a natural and beneficial phenomenon called apoptosis.

Human embryos have a specific function: life.

There are different categories of cancer cell, defined according to the cell type from which they originate.[2]

Carcinoma, the majority of cancer cells are epithelial in origin, beginning in the membranous tissues that line the surfaces of the body.
Leukaemia, originate in the tissues responsible for producing new blood cells, most commonly in the bone marrow.
Lymphoma and myeloma, derived from cells of the immune system.
Sarcoma, originating in connective tissue, including fat, muscle and bone.
Central nervous system, derived from cells of the body and spinal cord.
Mesothelioma, originating in the mesothelium; the lining of body cavities.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer_cell

Any way you want to spin it, an embryo is still not a human being. If cannot exist and function to "life" within its own cellular development, alone or by itself. It is not a person. It is not a being.

The question came up of what is an embryo, when does an embryo exist, when does it occur. I think, as you know, that in development, life is a continuum.... But I think one of the useful definitions that has come out, especially from Germany, has been the stage at which these two nuclei [from sperm and egg] come together and the membranes between the two break down."
[Jonathan Van Blerkom of University of Colorado, expert witness on human embryology before the NIH Human Embryo Research Panel -- Panel Transcript, February 2, 1994, p. 63]

Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity."
[O'Rahilly, Ronan and M?ller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}]

Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)... The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual."
[Carlson, Bruce M. Patten's Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3]

Why do people think human life does not begin at conception?

The life cycle of mammals begins when a sperm enters an egg.”
Okada et al., A role for the elongator complex in zygotic paternal genome demethylation, NATURE 463:554 (Jan. 28, 2010)

Human life begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoon) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.” “A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).”

Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.


I expect you to be an anti-vaxxer, flat earther, climate change denier, as well.

You are denying basic science and have no shame.

It's cute how Trumpsters suddenly believe in science.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Which is worse - 1 in 4 AA babies aborted or 1 in 5 AA babies aborted?

Forcing an 11 year old to bear her father’s child. That’s the worst of all.

[Anonymous]

Do these hypocrites oppose death penalty? Do they oppose wars?

[Anonymous]

Hope all the forced birth women who support this nonsense get what they deserve and the rest of us are spared.