Christians are 'most persecuted group'

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Christians have to answer for their own crimes in the name of Christianity then atheist should have to do the same, in the name of atheism. There is no answer that is good enough for them. They would have you believe that mass murderers just happened to be atheist.


...sigh...

You theists are desperately clinging to your ideology. I guess there is no dissuading you from that.

I'll say this yet again -- one more time -- but I know you won't admit it, even though I am confident you do understand.

The crimes of Stalin, and the ones linked to were done as part of COMMUNIST and TOTALITARIAN ideologies, and not because of atheism. Even the anti-religious ones.

Just like Nazi crimes were the result of antisemitism. They were not because of their Christianity even though "Gott Mitt Uns" was on their belt buckles and they quoted the bible as justification for them.

Atheists have no ideologies. All they have is no religion. Not collecting stamps is not a hobby. You can have no religion and be a communist, or a capitalist, or a pacifist, or a mass-murderer.


SOME atheists are very dogmatic. YOU might not be, but some are.
Anonymous
From the Wikipedia article:

The USSR anti-religious campaign (1921–1928) was a campaign of anti-religious persecution against churches and believers by the Soviet government following the initial anti-religious campaign during the Russian Civil War. The elimination of most religion and its replacement with deism, agnosticism and atheism supported with a materialist world view was a fundamental ideological goal of the state.[1][2] To this end the state conducted anti-religious persecutions against believers that were meant to hurt and destroy religion. It was never made illegal to be a believer or to have religion, and so the activities of this campaign were often veiled under other pretexts (usually resistance to the regime) that the state invoked or invented in order to justify its activities.

Also read:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-religious_campaign_during_the_Russian_Civil_War



Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Christians have to answer for their own crimes in the name of Christianity then atheist should have to do the same, in the name of atheism. There is no answer that is good enough for them. They would have you believe that mass murderers just happened to be atheist.


...sigh...

You theists are desperately clinging to your ideology. I guess there is no dissuading you from that.

I'll say this yet again -- one more time -- but I know you won't admit it, even though I am confident you do understand.

The crimes of Stalin, and the ones linked to were done as part of COMMUNIST and TOTALITARIAN ideologies, and not because of atheism. Even the anti-religious ones.

Just like Nazi crimes were the result of antisemitism. They were not because of their Christianity even though "Gott Mitt Uns" was on their belt buckles and they quoted the bible as justification for them.

Atheists have no ideologies. All they have is no religion. Not collecting stamps is not a hobby. You can have no religion and be a communist, or a capitalist, or a pacifist, or a mass-murderer.


Maybe YOU are one of the peaceful lovely atheists. But just like there are different kinds of Christianity, there are different kinds of atheism.

Read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist_atheism

In the philosophy of Marxism, Marxist–Leninist atheism (also Marxist–Leninist scientific atheism) is the irreligious and anti-clerical element of Marxism–Leninism, the official state ideology of the Soviet Union.[1] Based upon a dialectical-materialist understanding of humanity's place in Nature, Marxist–Leninist atheism proposes that religion is the opium of the people, meant to promote a person's passive acceptance of his and her poverty and exploitation as the normal way of human life on Earth in the hope of a spiritual reward after death; thus, Marxism–Leninism advocates atheism, rather than religious belief.[2][3][4]

To support those ideological premises, Marxist–Leninist atheism explains the origin of religion and explains methods for the scientific criticism of religion.[5] The philosophic roots of materialist atheism are in the works of Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770–1831) and of Ludwig Feuerbach (1804–1872), of Karl Marx (1818–1883) and of Vladimir Lenin (1870–1924).[6] Moreover, unlike Soviet Marxism, other varieties of Marxist philosophy are not anti-religious, such as the Liberation theology developed by Latin American Marxists.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Reposting this for the historically ignorant atheist apologist PPs:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_(1921–1928)


Save yourself the trouble of clicking on this link. It doesn't prove pp's point, but rather shows how vacuous it is.

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Did you not figure out that you could click on the bolded?! Or are you just trying to mislead everyone?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Christians have to answer for their own crimes in the name of Christianity then atheist should have to do the same, in the name of atheism. There is no answer that is good enough for them. They would have you believe that mass murderers just happened to be atheist.


...sigh...

You theists are desperately clinging to your ideology. I guess there is no dissuading you from that.

I'll say this yet again -- one more time -- but I know you won't admit it, even though I am confident you do understand.

The crimes of Stalin, and the ones linked to were done as part of COMMUNIST and TOTALITARIAN ideologies, and not because of atheism. Even the anti-religious ones.

Just like Nazi crimes were the result of antisemitism. They were not because of their Christianity even though "Gott Mitt Uns" was on their belt buckles and they quoted the bible as justification for them.

Atheists have no ideologies. All they have is no religion. Not collecting stamps is not a hobby. You can have no religion and be a communist, or a capitalist, or a pacifist, or a mass-murderer.


Maybe YOU are one of the peaceful lovely atheists. But just like there are different kinds of Christianity, there are different kinds of atheism.

Read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist_atheism

In the philosophy of Marxism, Marxist–Leninist atheism (also Marxist–Leninist scientific atheism) is the irreligious and anti-clerical element of Marxism–Leninism, the official state ideology of the Soviet Union.[1] Based upon a dialectical-materialist understanding of humanity's place in Nature, Marxist–Leninist atheism proposes that religion is the opium of the people, meant to promote a person's passive acceptance of his and her poverty and exploitation as the normal way of human life on Earth in the hope of a spiritual reward after death; thus, Marxism–Leninism advocates atheism, rather than religious belief.[2][3][4]

To support those ideological premises, Marxist–Leninist atheism explains the origin of religion and explains methods for the scientific criticism of religion.[5] The philosophic roots of materialist atheism are in the works of Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770–1831) and of Ludwig Feuerbach (1804–1872), of Karl Marx (1818–1883) and of Vladimir Lenin (1870–1924).[6] Moreover, unlike Soviet Marxism, other varieties of Marxist philosophy are not anti-religious, such as the Liberation theology developed by Latin American Marxists.



Ummm, o. There are not different kinds of atheism. You either believe in a god or you don’t. Everything else is extraneous.
Anonymous
Marxism Leninism did advocate atheism, but the reason for it was the death of the imperial family. The Orthodox church saw the tsar as the legal pope, king. This did not fit well with the new crooks
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Reposting this for the historically ignorant atheist apologist PPs:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_(1921–1928)


Save yourself the trouble of clicking on this link. It doesn't prove pp's point, but rather shows how vacuous it is.

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Did you not figure out that you could click on the bolded?! Or are you just trying to mislead everyone?


Did you not figure out that you posted the wrong link - or were you trying to mislead everyone?

"The bolded" found within the posted, incorrect link, for those patient or interested enough to find, has an opening paragrapgh that says this:

"The USSR anti-religious campaign (1921–1928) was a campaign of anti-religious persecution against churches and believers by the Soviet government following the initial anti-religious campaign during the Russian Civil War. The elimination of most religion and its replacement with deism, agnosticism and atheism supported with a materialist world view was a fundamental ideological goal of the state.[1][2] To this end the state conducted anti-religious persecutions against believers that were meant to hurt and destroy religion. It was never made illegal to be a believer or to have religion, and so the activities of this campaign were often veiled under other pretexts (usually resistance to the regime) that the state invoked or invented in order to justify its activities."

The bolded section makes clear that replacing religion with non-belief or deism was a goal of the state -- and was not specifically atheism, but rather a "materialistic world view"
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Christians have to answer for their own crimes in the name of Christianity then atheist should have to do the same, in the name of atheism. There is no answer that is good enough for them. They would have you believe that mass murderers just happened to be atheist.


...sigh...

You theists are desperately clinging to your ideology. I guess there is no dissuading you from that.

I'll say this yet again -- one more time -- but I know you won't admit it, even though I am confident you do understand.

The crimes of Stalin, and the ones linked to were done as part of COMMUNIST and TOTALITARIAN ideologies, and not because of atheism. Even the anti-religious ones.

Just like Nazi crimes were the result of antisemitism. They were not because of their Christianity even though "Gott Mitt Uns" was on their belt buckles and they quoted the bible as justification for them.

Atheists have no ideologies. All they have is no religion. Not collecting stamps is not a hobby. You can have no religion and be a communist, or a capitalist, or a pacifist, or a mass-murderer.


Maybe YOU are one of the peaceful lovely atheists. But just like there are different kinds of Christianity, there are different kinds of atheism.

Read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist_atheism

In the philosophy of Marxism, Marxist–Leninist atheism (also Marxist–Leninist scientific atheism) is the irreligious and anti-clerical element of Marxism–Leninism, the official state ideology of the Soviet Union.[1] Based upon a dialectical-materialist understanding of humanity's place in Nature, Marxist–Leninist atheism proposes that religion is the opium of the people, meant to promote a person's passive acceptance of his and her poverty and exploitation as the normal way of human life on Earth in the hope of a spiritual reward after death; thus, Marxism–Leninism advocates atheism, rather than religious belief.[2][3][4]

To support those ideological premises, Marxist–Leninist atheism explains the origin of religion and explains methods for the scientific criticism of religion.[5] The philosophic roots of materialist atheism are in the works of Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770–1831) and of Ludwig Feuerbach (1804–1872), of Karl Marx (1818–1883) and of Vladimir Lenin (1870–1924).[6] Moreover, unlike Soviet Marxism, other varieties of Marxist philosophy are not anti-religious, such as the Liberation theology developed by Latin American Marxists.



No, atheists may vary, in terms of personality, but there are not different types of atheism. It's a simple word that means non-belief in god.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Christians have to answer for their own crimes in the name of Christianity then atheist should have to do the same, in the name of atheism. There is no answer that is good enough for them. They would have you believe that mass murderers just happened to be atheist.


...sigh...

You theists are desperately clinging to your ideology. I guess there is no dissuading you from that.

I'll say this yet again -- one more time -- but I know you won't admit it, even though I am confident you do understand.

The crimes of Stalin, and the ones linked to were done as part of COMMUNIST and TOTALITARIAN ideologies, and not because of atheism. Even the anti-religious ones.

Just like Nazi crimes were the result of antisemitism. They were not because of their Christianity even though "Gott Mitt Uns" was on their belt buckles and they quoted the bible as justification for them.

Atheists have no ideologies. All they have is no religion. Not collecting stamps is not a hobby. You can have no religion and be a communist, or a capitalist, or a pacifist, or a mass-murderer.


SOME atheists are very dogmatic. YOU might not be, but some are.


That's a personality issue. Some Christians, or Jews, or Buddhists, or whatever -- are dogmatic too.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Christians have to answer for their own crimes in the name of Christianity then atheist should have to do the same, in the name of atheism. There is no answer that is good enough for them. They would have you believe that mass murderers just happened to be atheist.


...sigh...

You theists are desperately clinging to your ideology. I guess there is no dissuading you from that.

I'll say this yet again -- one more time -- but I know you won't admit it, even though I am confident you do understand.

The crimes of Stalin, and the ones linked to were done as part of COMMUNIST and TOTALITARIAN ideologies, and not because of atheism. Even the anti-religious ones.

Just like Nazi crimes were the result of antisemitism. They were not because of their Christianity even though "Gott Mitt Uns" was on their belt buckles and they quoted the bible as justification for them.

Atheists have no ideologies. All they have is no religion. Not collecting stamps is not a hobby. You can have no religion and be a communist, or a capitalist, or a pacifist, or a mass-murderer.


SOME atheists are very dogmatic. YOU might not be, but some are.


That's a personality issue. Some Christians, or Jews, or Buddhists, or whatever -- are dogmatic too.


Also, there is no dogma in atheism because it's not a religion -- there's literally nothing to be dogmatic about. People can be vocal atheists or firm atheists, but there's no dogma to be dogmatic about.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Reposting this for the historically ignorant atheist apologist PPs:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_(1921–1928)


Save yourself the trouble of clicking on this link. It doesn't prove pp's point, but rather shows how vacuous it is.

Here's the text:

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Did you not figure out that you could click on the bolded?! Or are you just trying to mislead everyone?


Did you not figure out that you posted the wrong link - or were you trying to mislead everyone?

"The bolded" found within the posted, incorrect link, for those patient or interested enough to find, has an opening paragrapgh that says this:

"The USSR anti-religious campaign (1921–1928) was a campaign of anti-religious persecution against churches and believers by the Soviet government following the initial anti-religious campaign during the Russian Civil War. The elimination of most religion and its replacement with deism, agnosticism and atheism supported with a materialist world view was a fundamental ideological goal of the state.[1][2] To this end the state conducted anti-religious persecutions against believers that were meant to hurt and destroy religion. It was never made illegal to be a believer or to have religion, and so the activities of this campaign were often veiled under other pretexts (usually resistance to the regime) that the state invoked or invented in order to justify its activities."

The bolded section makes clear that replacing religion with non-belief or deism was a goal of the state -- and was not specifically atheism, but rather a "materialistic world view"


Atheism was explicitly one of the goals. There were parts of the USSR where a softer deism was allowed. A materialist world view can and generally does include atheism.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Christians have to answer for their own crimes in the name of Christianity then atheist should have to do the same, in the name of atheism. There is no answer that is good enough for them. They would have you believe that mass murderers just happened to be atheist.


...sigh...

You theists are desperately clinging to your ideology. I guess there is no dissuading you from that.

I'll say this yet again -- one more time -- but I know you won't admit it, even though I am confident you do understand.

The crimes of Stalin, and the ones linked to were done as part of COMMUNIST and TOTALITARIAN ideologies, and not because of atheism. Even the anti-religious ones.

Just like Nazi crimes were the result of antisemitism. They were not because of their Christianity even though "Gott Mitt Uns" was on their belt buckles and they quoted the bible as justification for them.

Atheists have no ideologies. All they have is no religion. Not collecting stamps is not a hobby. You can have no religion and be a communist, or a capitalist, or a pacifist, or a mass-murderer.


SOME atheists are very dogmatic. YOU might not be, but some are.


That's a personality issue. Some Christians, or Jews, or Buddhists, or whatever -- are dogmatic too.


Also, there is no dogma in atheism because it's not a religion -- there's literally nothing to be dogmatic about. People can be vocal atheists or firm atheists, but there's no dogma to be dogmatic about.


Actually there can be. Some atheism aggressively rejects superstition and the supernatural of any kind while others are more limited.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Marxism Leninism did advocate atheism, but the reason for it was the death of the imperial family. The Orthodox church saw the tsar as the legal pope, king. This did not fit well with the new crooks


That was one of the reasons, but Marx advocated atheism everywhere, not just Russia.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Christians have to answer for their own crimes in the name of Christianity then atheist should have to do the same, in the name of atheism. There is no answer that is good enough for them. They would have you believe that mass murderers just happened to be atheist.


...sigh...

You theists are desperately clinging to your ideology. I guess there is no dissuading you from that.

I'll say this yet again -- one more time -- but I know you won't admit it, even though I am confident you do understand.

The crimes of Stalin, and the ones linked to were done as part of COMMUNIST and TOTALITARIAN ideologies, and not because of atheism. Even the anti-religious ones.

Just like Nazi crimes were the result of antisemitism. They were not because of their Christianity even though "Gott Mitt Uns" was on their belt buckles and they quoted the bible as justification for them.

Atheists have no ideologies. All they have is no religion. Not collecting stamps is not a hobby. You can have no religion and be a communist, or a capitalist, or a pacifist, or a mass-murderer.


SOME atheists are very dogmatic. YOU might not be, but some are.


That's a personality issue. Some Christians, or Jews, or Buddhists, or whatever -- are dogmatic too.


Also, there is no dogma in atheism because it's not a religion -- there's literally nothing to be dogmatic about. People can be vocal atheists or firm atheists, but there's no dogma to be dogmatic about.


Actually there can be. Some atheism aggressively rejects superstition and the supernatural of any kind while others are more limited.


I don't know how many times this can be pointed out to be wrong yet still so stubbornly misunderstood.

An Atheist is simply someone who does not hold a belief in a god or gods. That's it. Nothing more. It's binary. Like someone being "pregnant" or "a-pregnant"

Now if you said "Some atheISTS aggressively reject(s) superstition and the supernatural of any kind" that could be true. But as another poster correctly pointed out, there is no dogma in atheism.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Christians have to answer for their own crimes in the name of Christianity then atheist should have to do the same, in the name of atheism. There is no answer that is good enough for them. They would have you believe that mass murderers just happened to be atheist.


...sigh...

You theists are desperately clinging to your ideology. I guess there is no dissuading you from that.

I'll say this yet again -- one more time -- but I know you won't admit it, even though I am confident you do understand.

The crimes of Stalin, and the ones linked to were done as part of COMMUNIST and TOTALITARIAN ideologies, and not because of atheism. Even the anti-religious ones.

Just like Nazi crimes were the result of antisemitism. They were not because of their Christianity even though "Gott Mitt Uns" was on their belt buckles and they quoted the bible as justification for them.

Atheists have no ideologies. All they have is no religion. Not collecting stamps is not a hobby. You can have no religion and be a communist, or a capitalist, or a pacifist, or a mass-murderer.


SOME atheists are very dogmatic. YOU might not be, but some are.


That's a personality issue. Some Christians, or Jews, or Buddhists, or whatever -- are dogmatic too.


Also, there is no dogma in atheism because it's not a religion -- there's literally nothing to be dogmatic about. People can be vocal atheists or firm atheists, but there's no dogma to be dogmatic about.


Actually there can be. Some atheism aggressively rejects superstition and the supernatural of any kind while others are more limited.


I don't know how many times this can be pointed out to be wrong yet still so stubbornly misunderstood.

An Atheist is simply someone who does not hold a belief in a god or gods. That's it. Nothing more. It's binary. Like someone being "pregnant" or "a-pregnant"

Now if you said "Some atheISTS aggressively reject(s) superstition and the supernatural of any kind" that could be true. But as another poster correctly pointed out, there is no dogma in atheism.



I see no evidence of that
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