Christians are 'most persecuted group'

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There are obviously different definitions, understandings, levels, degrees etc of atheism just as other belief or non belief systems out there. Posters on Dcum in particular use atheism as a rejection of all other beliefs and religions as it suits them.

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Anonymous wrote:If Christians have to answer for their own crimes in the name of Christianity then atheist should have to do the same, in the name of atheism. There is no answer that is good enough for them. They would have you believe that mass murderers just happened to be atheist.

...sigh...

You theists are desperately clinging to your ideology. I guess there is no dissuading you from that.

I'll say this yet again -- one more time -- but I know you won't admit it, even though I am confident you do understand.

The crimes of Stalin, and the ones linked to were done as part of COMMUNIST and TOTALITARIAN ideologies, and not because of atheism. Even the anti-religious ones.

Just like Nazi crimes were the result of antisemitism. They were not because of their Christianity even though "Gott Mitt Uns" was on their belt buckles and they quoted the bible as justification for them.

Atheists have no ideologies. All they have is no religion. Not collecting stamps is not a hobby. You can have no religion and be a communist, or a capitalist, or a pacifist, or a mass-murderer.

SOME atheists are very dogmatic. YOU might not be, but some are.

That's a personality issue. Some Christians, or Jews, or Buddhists, or whatever -- are dogmatic too.

Also, there is no dogma in atheism because it's not a religion -- there's literally nothing to be dogmatic about. People can be vocal atheists or firm atheists, but there's no dogma to be dogmatic about.

Actually there can be. Some atheism aggressively rejects superstition and the supernatural of any kind while others are more limited.

I don't know how many times this can be pointed out to be wrong yet still so stubbornly misunderstood.

An Atheist is simply someone who does not hold a belief in a god or gods. That's it. Nothing more. It's binary. Like someone being "pregnant" or "a-pregnant"

Now if you said "Some atheISTS aggressively reject(s) superstition and the supernatural of any kind" that could be true. But as another poster correctly pointed out, there is no dogma in atheism.

It's probably that stubbornly misunderstanding pp wants to mislead others about atheism, giving it a negative political meaning. But I think this conversation instead serves to provide correct info about what atheism really is - and isn't.

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Anonymous wrote:If Christians have to answer for their own crimes in the name of Christianity then atheist should have to do the same, in the name of atheism. There is no answer that is good enough for them. They would have you believe that mass murderers just happened to be atheist.

...sigh...

You theists are desperately clinging to your ideology. I guess there is no dissuading you from that.

I'll say this yet again -- one more time -- but I know you won't admit it, even though I am confident you do understand.

The crimes of Stalin, and the ones linked to were done as part of COMMUNIST and TOTALITARIAN ideologies, and not because of atheism. Even the anti-religious ones.

Just like Nazi crimes were the result of antisemitism. They were not because of their Christianity even though "Gott Mitt Uns" was on their belt buckles and they quoted the bible as justification for them.

Atheists have no ideologies. All they have is no religion. Not collecting stamps is not a hobby. You can have no religion and be a communist, or a capitalist, or a pacifist, or a mass-murderer.

SOME atheists are very dogmatic. YOU might not be, but some are.

That's a personality issue. Some Christians, or Jews, or Buddhists, or whatever -- are dogmatic too.

Also, there is no dogma in atheism because it's not a religion -- there's literally nothing to be dogmatic about. People can be vocal atheists or firm atheists, but there's no dogma to be dogmatic about.

Actually there can be. Some atheism aggressively rejects superstition and the supernatural of any kind while others are more limited.

I don't know how many times this can be pointed out to be wrong yet still so stubbornly misunderstood.

An Atheist is simply someone who does not hold a belief in a god or gods. That's it. Nothing more. It's binary. Like someone being "pregnant" or "a-pregnant"

Now if you said "Some atheISTS aggressively reject(s) superstition and the supernatural of any kind" that could be true. But as another poster correctly pointed out, there is no dogma in atheism.

It's probably that stubbornly misunderstanding pp wants to mislead others about atheism, giving it a negative political meaning. But I think this conversation instead serves to provide correct info about what atheism really is - and isn't.

Re the part in bold, I think the same can be said of a slew of other religions/beliefs that atheist misunderstand on here daily.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are obviously different definitions, understandings, levels, degrees etc of atheism just as other belief or non belief systems out there.

No, there aren't, you are still completely wrong despite it being explained to you, and that is the problem.

If you need WHY it is a problem explained to you, I can do so, but I will first ask: since every atheist is telling you the same thing, why do you refuse to accept it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are obviously different definitions, understandings, levels, degrees etc of atheism just as other belief or non belief systems out there.

No, there aren't, you are still completely wrong despite it being explained to you, and that is the problem.

If you need WHY it is a problem explained to you, I can do so, but I will first ask: since every atheist is telling you the same thing, why do you refuse to accept it?

Stop pretending like you're Sweden.

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Anonymous wrote:There are obviously different definitions, understandings, levels, degrees etc of atheism just as other belief or non belief systems out there.

No, there aren't, you are still completely wrong despite it being explained to you, and that is the problem.

If you need WHY it is a problem explained to you, I can do so, but I will first ask: since every atheist is telling you the same thing, why do you refuse to accept it?

Stop pretending like you're Sweden.

I don't think you have made a very salient point here.

Of course, you could have simply answered the question. But you chose not to. A bit telling, IMHO.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are obviously different definitions, understandings, levels, degrees etc of atheism just as other belief or non belief systems out there.

No, there aren't, you are still completely wrong despite it being explained to you, and that is the problem.

If you need WHY it is a problem explained to you, I can do so, but I will first ask: since every atheist is telling you the same thing, why do you refuse to accept it?

Every atheist? I reject this notion

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are obviously different definitions, understandings, levels, degrees etc of atheism just as other belief or non belief systems out there.

No, there aren't, you are still completely wrong despite it being explained to you, and that is the problem.

If you need WHY it is a problem explained to you, I can do so, but I will first ask: since every atheist is telling you the same thing, why do you refuse to accept it?

Every atheist? I reject this notion

pp loves rejecting things, but in this case it's not a notion. It's a fact that atheists posting here have accurately presented atheism as a simple lack of belief in gods. One doesn't need to be an atheist to say this or know this. It's a simple bit of information.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are obviously different definitions, understandings, levels, degrees etc of atheism just as other belief or non belief systems out there.

No, there aren't, you are still completely wrong despite it being explained to you, and that is the problem.

If you need WHY it is a problem explained to you, I can do so, but I will first ask: since every atheist is telling you the same thing, why do you refuse to accept it?

Every atheist? I reject this notion

pp loves rejecting things, but in this case it's not a notion. It's a fact that atheists posting here have accurately presented atheism as a simple lack of belief in gods. One doesn't need to be an atheist to say this or know this. It's a simple bit of information.

No it is not that simple, there are all sorts of atheists just like there are all sorts of christians, hindus and muslims etc.

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Anonymous wrote:There are obviously different definitions, understandings, levels, degrees etc of atheism just as other belief or non belief systems out there.

No, there aren't, you are still completely wrong despite it being explained to you, and that is the problem.

If you need WHY it is a problem explained to you, I can do so, but I will first ask: since every atheist is telling you the same thing, why do you refuse to accept it?

Every atheist? I reject this notion

pp loves rejecting things, but in this case it's not a notion. It's a fact that atheists posting here have accurately presented atheism as a simple lack of belief in gods. One doesn't need to be an atheist to say this or know this. It's a simple bit of information.

No it is not that simple, there are all sorts of atheists just like there are all sorts of christians, hindus and muslims etc.

Atheists have all sorts of personalities, like other people, despite nationality or religion or lack of it.

Because atheism is a lack of religious belief, there are no differences among atheists regarding religious beliefs. Just like there are no symptoms of measles among people who do not have measles: they are asymptomatic.

Thank you for the opportunity to clarify this. It should help people with limited knowledge or interest in atheism understand it better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are obviously different definitions, understandings, levels, degrees etc of atheism just as other belief or non belief systems out there.

No, there aren't, you are still completely wrong despite it being explained to you, and that is the problem.

If you need WHY it is a problem explained to you, I can do so, but I will first ask: since every atheist is telling you the same thing, why do you refuse to accept it?

Every atheist? I reject this notion

pp loves rejecting things, but in this case it's not a notion. It's a fact that atheists posting here have accurately presented atheism as a simple lack of belief in gods. One doesn't need to be an atheist to say this or know this. It's a simple bit of information.

No it is not that simple, there are all sorts of atheists just like there are all sorts of christians, hindus and muslims etc.

Atheists have all sorts of personalities, like other people, despite nationality or religion or lack of it.

Because atheism is a lack of religious belief, there are no differences among atheists regarding religious beliefs. Just like there are no symptoms of measles among people who do not have measles: they are asymptomatic.

Thank you for the opportunity to clarify this. It should help people with limited knowledge or interest in atheism understand it better.

You're wrong. There are implicit atheists, explicit atheists, gnostic atheists, agnostic atheists, weak atheists, anti-theists, casual atheists, evangelical atheists, humanist atheists, religious atheists to name a few.

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Anonymous wrote:There are obviously different definitions, understandings, levels, degrees etc of atheism just as other belief or non belief systems out there.

No, there aren't, you are still completely wrong despite it being explained to you, and that is the problem.

If you need WHY it is a problem explained to you, I can do so, but I will first ask: since every atheist is telling you the same thing, why do you refuse to accept it?

Every atheist? I reject this notion

pp loves rejecting things, but in this case it's not a notion. It's a fact that atheists posting here have accurately presented atheism as a simple lack of belief in gods. One doesn't need to be an atheist to say this or know this. It's a simple bit of information.

No it is not that simple, there are all sorts of atheists just like there are all sorts of christians, hindus and muslims etc.

Atheists have all sorts of personalities, like other people, despite nationality or religion or lack of it.

Because atheism is a lack of religious belief, there are no differences among atheists regarding religious beliefs. Just like there are no symptoms of measles among people who do not have measles: they are asymptomatic.

Thank you for the opportunity to clarify this. It should help people with limited knowledge or interest in atheism understand it better.

You're wrong. There are implicit atheists, explicit atheists, gnostic atheists, agnostic atheists, weak atheists, anti-theists, casual atheists, evangelical atheists, humanist atheists, religious atheists to name a few.

These are not religions or denominations. They describe different levels of interest, knowledge or intensity just as exist in other non-religious groups --e.g., politics or sports.

Again, thanks for the chance to clarify this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are obviously different definitions, understandings, levels, degrees etc of atheism just as other belief or non belief systems out there.

No, there aren't, you are still completely wrong despite it being explained to you, and that is the problem.

If you need WHY it is a problem explained to you, I can do so, but I will first ask: since every atheist is telling you the same thing, why do you refuse to accept it?

Every atheist? I reject this notion

pp loves rejecting things, but in this case it's not a notion. It's a fact that atheists posting here have accurately presented atheism as a simple lack of belief in gods. One doesn't need to be an atheist to say this or know this. It's a simple bit of information.

No it is not that simple, there are all sorts of atheists just like there are all sorts of christians, hindus and muslims etc.

Atheists have all sorts of personalities, like other people, despite nationality or religion or lack of it.

Because atheism is a lack of religious belief, there are no differences among atheists regarding religious beliefs. Just like there are no symptoms of measles among people who do not have measles: they are asymptomatic.

Thank you for the opportunity to clarify this. It should help people with limited knowledge or interest in atheism understand it better.

You're wrong. There are implicit atheists, explicit atheists, gnostic atheists, agnostic atheists, weak atheists, anti-theists, casual atheists, evangelical atheists, humanist atheists, religious atheists to name a few.

Yes and blonde atheists and republican atheists and left-handed atheists etc. Just as there are theists in all those categories you list as well. It has nothing to do with atheism per Se.

I don’t know why this simple concept is so hard to grasp.

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Anonymous wrote:There are obviously different definitions, understandings, levels, degrees etc of atheism just as other belief or non belief systems out there.

No, there aren't, you are still completely wrong despite it being explained to you, and that is the problem.

If you need WHY it is a problem explained to you, I can do so, but I will first ask: since every atheist is telling you the same thing, why do you refuse to accept it?

Every atheist? I reject this notion

pp loves rejecting things, but in this case it's not a notion. It's a fact that atheists posting here have accurately presented atheism as a simple lack of belief in gods. One doesn't need to be an atheist to say this or know this. It's a simple bit of information.

No it is not that simple, there are all sorts of atheists just like there are all sorts of christians, hindus and muslims etc.

Atheists have all sorts of personalities, like other people, despite nationality or religion or lack of it.

Because atheism is a lack of religious belief, there are no differences among atheists regarding religious beliefs. Just like there are no symptoms of measles among people who do not have measles: they are asymptomatic.

Thank you for the opportunity to clarify this. It should help people with limited knowledge or interest in atheism understand it better.

You're wrong. There are implicit atheists, explicit atheists, gnostic atheists, agnostic atheists, weak atheists, anti-theists, casual atheists, evangelical atheists, humanist atheists, religious atheists to name a few.

These are not religions or denominations. They describe different levels of interest, knowledge or intensity just as exist in other non-religious groups --e.g., politics or sports.

Again, thanks for the chance to clarify this.

Yes because atheists have no doctrine there are potentially as many denominations as there are atheists. I disagree it is as simple as you say. Lack of a belief system is still a belief.

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Anonymous wrote:There are obviously different definitions, understandings, levels, degrees etc of atheism just as other belief or non belief systems out there.

No, there aren't, you are still completely wrong despite it being explained to you, and that is the problem.

If you need WHY it is a problem explained to you, I can do so, but I will first ask: since every atheist is telling you the same thing, why do you refuse to accept it?

Every atheist? I reject this notion

pp loves rejecting things, but in this case it's not a notion. It's a fact that atheists posting here have accurately presented atheism as a simple lack of belief in gods. One doesn't need to be an atheist to say this or know this. It's a simple bit of information.

No it is not that simple, there are all sorts of atheists just like there are all sorts of christians, hindus and muslims etc.

Atheists have all sorts of personalities, like other people, despite nationality or religion or lack of it.

Because atheism is a lack of religious belief, there are no differences among atheists regarding religious beliefs. Just like there are no symptoms of measles among people who do not have measles: they are asymptomatic.

Thank you for the opportunity to clarify this. It should help people with limited knowledge or interest in atheism understand it better.

You're wrong. There are implicit atheists, explicit atheists, gnostic atheists, agnostic atheists, weak atheists, anti-theists, casual atheists, evangelical atheists, humanist atheists, religious atheists to name a few.

Yes and blonde atheists and republican atheists and left-handed atheists etc. Just as there are theists in all those categories you list as well. It has nothing to do with atheism per Se.

I don’t know why this simple concept is so hard to grasp.

Like Christianity is hard to grasp for atheists I guess.