APS Transgender Policy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That should say that instead of having a conversation, you shut down the discussion.

Absolutely incorrect. I've asked numerous questions that no one has answered:

"Could you explain how a child's privacy or safety is impacted, especially since we don't segregate gay children from their same-sex peers? Is there any evidence at all that trans children are a danger to cis children?"

"What's the problem with having a trans girl [among 10-12 year old girls "talking about boys"]?"

"How do you imagine [a trans girl bunking with boys] will play out? Do you think that trans child will be safe? Will feel safe?"

I'm ready to discuss whenever you are.

Still not one person has answered these questions. What happened to wanting a legitimate discussion?

You contradict yourself with the gay kids example, so you don't seem interested in solving actual problems, just wasting time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There's now a non-transparent APS parent group that has been created to fight this policy.
https://arlingtonparentcoa.wixsite.com/arlingtonparentcoa?fbclid=IwAR0yqhdaEcHTRW8RzUcnxPuiF_FEogCHPiS-CKAwukT-KtC0rpCmB8za4t0

Brave parents.

Their DDs will be proud to have someone representing their well-being and their interests.

Please explain how their well-being is in any way threatened by this policy.

Small example: my DD told us a couple weeks ago she doesn't want to play basketball anymore.

Why?

Because in her league 2 teams have big trans girls playing and that's not fair. They are pushy and rude and that's not fair.

Your problems are that these girls are pushy and rude? I...don't think that's a trans issue.

Also, how do you know they are trans?

That's what our DD told us, apparently her team had been talking about it.

The players in question were easily 20% more "corpulent" and more "male" than the girls, and to our naked eye looked out of place in a girls league (and we do have some super strong and body-heavy girls).

What got me thinking was that "fair" instinct.

Oh, fantastic. Now we're eyeballing children and deciding they're trans because they are "corpulent" and more "male" than the other girls. That's great. This won't go poorly AT ALL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That should say that instead of having a conversation, you shut down the discussion.

Absolutely incorrect. I've asked numerous questions that no one has answered:

"Could you explain how a child's privacy or safety is impacted, especially since we don't segregate gay children from their same-sex peers? Is there any evidence at all that trans children are a danger to cis children?"

"What's the problem with having a trans girl [among 10-12 year old girls "talking about boys"]?"

"How do you imagine [a trans girl bunking with boys] will play out? Do you think that trans child will be safe? Will feel safe?"

I'm ready to discuss whenever you are.

Still not one person has answered these questions. What happened to wanting a legitimate discussion?

You contradict yourself with the gay kids example, so you don't seem interested in solving actual problems, just wasting time.

What's the contradiction?

[Anonymous]

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Obviously girls should never interact with one who is different while at the sacred right of sleepaway camp. That's why sleep away camps are segregated and all the lesbians are kept out.


These kinds of sarcastic, hyperbolic statements are really not helpful here.

The previous poster literally said trans girls should be banned from camp cause it should be a place for girls to be safe from people who are different. Pointing out all the other people who are different who are allowed to go to camp is not useful here?

People are spouting alot of fear and when pushed to articulate what specifically they are afraid of we get "they should have places to talk away from different people." I dont think that's it. I think the people posting here either believe trans girls are predators but aren't saying it cause they know better, or they are just generally uncomfortable and cant articulate why. Im talking to the later group. By pointing out holes in arguments, I hope to get people to face the irrationality of their arguments and thus the irrationality of their fears.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Obviously girls should never interact with one who is different while at the sacred right of sleepaway camp. That's why sleep away camps are segregated and all the lesbians are kept out.


These kinds of sarcastic, hyperbolic statements are really not helpful here.

The previous poster literally said trans girls should be banned from camp cause it should be a place for girls to be safe from people who are different. Pointing out all the other people who are different who are allowed to go to camp is not useful here?

People are spouting alot of fear and when pushed to articulate what specifically they are afraid of we get "they should have places to talk away from different people." I dont think that's it. I think the people posting here either believe trans girls are predators but aren't saying it cause they know better, or they are just generally uncomfortable and cant articulate why. Im talking to the later group. By pointing out holes in arguments, I hope to get people to face the irrationality of their arguments and thus the irrationality of their fears.

In the absence of hearing any better reason (so far), I tend to agree that this is it. "It's just...icky!!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That should say that instead of having a conversation, you shut down the discussion.

Absolutely incorrect. I've asked numerous questions that no one has answered:

"Could you explain how a child's privacy or safety is impacted, especially since we don't segregate gay children from their same-sex peers? Is there any evidence at all that trans children are a danger to cis children?"

"What's the problem with having a trans girl [among 10-12 year old girls "talking about boys"]?"

"How do you imagine [a trans girl bunking with boys] will play out? Do you think that trans child will be safe? Will feel safe?"

I'm ready to discuss whenever you are.

Still not one person has answered these questions. What happened to wanting a legitimate discussion?

You contradict yourself with the gay kids example, so you don't seem interested in solving actual problems, just wasting time.

That was a different poster.

Did you say you wanted a legitimate discussion? Answer a question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's now a non-transparent APS parent group that has been created to fight this policy.
https://arlingtonparentcoa.wixsite.com/arlingtonparentcoa?fbclid=IwAR0yqhdaEcHTRW8RzUcnxPuiF_FEogCHPiS-CKAwukT-KtC0rpCmB8za4t0

Brave parents.

Their DDs will be proud to have someone representing their well-being and their interests.

Please explain how their well-being is in any way threatened by this policy.

Small example: my DD told us a couple weeks ago she doesn't want to play basketball anymore.

Why?

Because in her league 2 teams have big trans girls playing and that's not fair. They are pushy and rude and that's not fair.

Your problems are that these girls are pushy and rude? I...don't think that's a trans issue.

Also, how do you know they are trans?

That's what our DD told us, apparently her team had been talking about it.

The players in question were easily 20% more "corpulent" and more "male" than the girls, and to our naked eye looked out of place in a girls league (and we do have some super strong and body-heavy girls).

What got me thinking was that "fair" instinct.

Oh, fantastic. Now we're eyeballing children and deciding they're trans because they are "corpulent" and more "male" than the other girls. That's great. This won't go poorly AT ALL.

You're dumb.

It was our DD and her team who realized they were trans. Heck, you know how close basket play is, and you know how they meet and talk before games. They KNOW what it is and they KNOW what is fair to them and to the competition better than the dumb DCUM poster playing politics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That should say that instead of having a conversation, you shut down the discussion.

Absolutely incorrect. I've asked numerous questions that no one has answered:

"Could you explain how a child's privacy or safety is impacted, especially since we don't segregate gay children from their same-sex peers? Is there any evidence at all that trans children are a danger to cis children?"

"What's the problem with having a trans girl [among 10-12 year old girls "talking about boys"]?"

"How do you imagine [a trans girl bunking with boys] will play out? Do you think that trans child will be safe? Will feel safe?"

I'm ready to discuss whenever you are.

Still not one person has answered these questions. What happened to wanting a legitimate discussion?

You contradict yourself with the gay kids example, so you don't seem interested in solving actual problems, just wasting time.

That was a different poster.

Did you say you wanted a legitimate discussion? Answer a question.

I've seen people here ask a dozen great questions and answer frankly few of them, because the problem is complex and yet some PPs are approaching it in totalitarian, ideological ways.

Not interested in playing that game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's now a non-transparent APS parent group that has been created to fight this policy.
https://arlingtonparentcoa.wixsite.com/arlingtonparentcoa?fbclid=IwAR0yqhdaEcHTRW8RzUcnxPuiF_FEogCHPiS-CKAwukT-KtC0rpCmB8za4t0

Brave parents.

Their DDs will be proud to have someone representing their well-being and their interests.

Please explain how their well-being is in any way threatened by this policy.

Small example: my DD told us a couple weeks ago she doesn't want to play basketball anymore.

Why?

Because in her league 2 teams have big trans girls playing and that's not fair. They are pushy and rude and that's not fair.

Your problems are that these girls are pushy and rude? I...don't think that's a trans issue.

Also, how do you know they are trans?

That's what our DD told us, apparently her team had been talking about it.

The players in question were easily 20% more "corpulent" and more "male" than the girls, and to our naked eye looked out of place in a girls league (and we do have some super strong and body-heavy girls).

What got me thinking was that "fair" instinct.

Oh, fantastic. Now we're eyeballing children and deciding they're trans because they are "corpulent" and more "male" than the other girls. That's great. This won't go poorly AT ALL.

You're dumb.

It was our DD and her team who realized they were trans. Heck, you know how close basket play is, and you know how they meet and talk before games. They KNOW what it is and they KNOW what is fair to them and to the competition better than the dumb DCUM poster playing politics.

Wait, so your argument is “no, no.. it’s the pre-teen girls making these judgments about the opposing players” and that’s supposed to make it better?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That should say that instead of having a conversation, you shut down the discussion.

Absolutely incorrect. I've asked numerous questions that no one has answered:

"Could you explain how a child's privacy or safety is impacted, especially since we don't segregate gay children from their same-sex peers? Is there any evidence at all that trans children are a danger to cis children?"

"What's the problem with having a trans girl [among 10-12 year old girls "talking about boys"]?"

"How do you imagine [a trans girl bunking with boys] will play out? Do you think that trans child will be safe? Will feel safe?"

I'm ready to discuss whenever you are.

Still not one person has answered these questions. What happened to wanting a legitimate discussion?

You contradict yourself with the gay kids example, so you don't seem interested in solving actual problems, just wasting time.

That was a different poster.

Did you say you wanted a legitimate discussion? Answer a question.

I've seen people here ask a dozen great questions and answer frankly few of them, because the problem is complex and yet some PPs are approaching it in totalitarian, ideological ways.

Not interested in playing that game.

So you are NOT willing to have a legitimate discussion. Quit whining and blaming others if you aren't willing yourself.

[Anonymous]

Trans girls should not play girls sports. Wait til a trans girl is a softball pitcher and her team wins. She’s bulky and can throw 20mph faster than everyone else. How is that right? I have no issues with gender neutral bathrooms and am supportive of making these kids feel included. But it crosses a line that ignores biological reality when they get to compete with girls.

[Anonymous]

And if I get notice and can opt out of sex Ed in fifth grade, I should be able to opt out of any lessons on transgender issues. No one is reading a story about homosexuality in K. So why did they read a book about transgender kids?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Now you’ve got the same “woke” parents all chiming in on AEM like there’s no nuance whatsoever to this new policy. For allegedly being tolerant of different views, doesn’t seem like Arlington is very tolerant of anything other than the most progressive.

Have whatever views you want. But don't take them out on trans kids.

+1

Keep your intolerance at home.

But that’s just it. You’re assuming I’m intolerant just because I think there’s further legitimate discussion to be had on some of these points. Instead conversation that you shut down the discussion. That’s not very tolerant.

Good luck discussing with crazy people.

I try too often, but at the end what's key is to vote them out of office before they do too much damage.

Guess neither of you wanted a legitimate discussion after all.

[Anonymous]

When it starts costing people scholarships and college placements, that’s when this will get super interesting. Can’t wait!

[Anonymous]

Yo yo yo...
This how it’s gonna work:

All of the extraordinarily liberal and WOKE parents of Arlington virtuously nodding their heads in unison.
All children must be included
All children must feel safe
All children must feel welcome
All children must feel part of, no child should feel like an other.

Cool cool cool... ( ps- I’m in total agreement with all of the above. Bring on unisex bathrooms and gender neutral homecoming court. LET’S DO THIS!!!)

But... let’s cut to the scene where Elizabeth just misses the the cut off for the tennis team, soccer, lacrosse, etc.
Or gets bumped from a school record, or doesn’t make Varsity. Just misses States by one spot... so Theadora ( born Theo) can participate.

Oh girl, they gonna burn it all down. Ain’t nobody standing between the THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, and EVERY WASTED WEEKEND THAT 2220(1234567and9) parents lay down in pursuit of the holy grail- COLLEGE.
This isn’t about gender identity. It’s about money. It’s about getting ahead. It’s about the crabs in a barrel all of our children are being shoehorned into.
And it will only take one. One girl who is denied her spot, and it’s gonna get litigious real quick.
Maybe that’s good. Maybe the courts need to sort it out.
But if you think this is about gender identity... child, you better get your head in the game.