Update on Harvard Lawsuit

[Anonymous]

Queens college in NY is mostly Asian, not surprising as New York City has lots of Asians.

But they only have two famous Allumni Jerry Seinfeld and Fran Dreshner (the Nanny), Thank God the Asians let two token whites into the school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am just happy that my Hispanic rising senior will get the benefit of being a URM before they change the rules.

If you went to college and he was educated in the US colleges don't care about his Hispanic status.

Fake news.

[Anonymous]

So with Kavanaugh's chances at the SC cooked, can Harvard and their ilk breathe a sigh of relief or will the Repubs come up with another candidate next week?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Queens college in NY is mostly Asian, not surprising as New York City has lots of Asians.

But they only have two famous Allumni Jerry Seinfeld and Fran Dreshner (the Nanny), Thank God the Asians let two token whites into the school

Seinfeld is so ancient back in the stone age, I doubt the asian population in NY then was large.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone looking at a demographic chart can see that we will soon be a suburb of Asia if we choose to let that happen. Either accept that there is some need for racial diversity or don't, but don't be surprised if "merit-only" policies soon result in elite insitutiitions that are heavily dominated by Asians. (see thomas jefferson high)

So, you are saying we need to preserve "diversity" for ethno-phobic reasons and not because you want to uplift the downtrodden?

BTW, Asians here have NO affinity to their home countries (with the exception of few radical middle easterners (who consider themselves white anyways) and some communist-minded Chinese) and consider themselves to be American. So, fear not. We will not become a suburb of any Asian country.

It’s funny that people here think Asians are “others” when you are right - asian Americans for the most part don’t give a shit about their ancestral lands.

Meanwhile, the majority of Jewish people no matter how far removed they are from Israel are very aware about Israeli issues.

Well... Jews historically were hounded out of countries, subject to periodic genocides and pogroms, heavily discriminated against for thousands of years, and are never allowed to ever forget that they are Jews, even in the US (which is the most "Jewish friendly" country in the world outside Israel). Israel is the *one* Jewish country in the world. And Israel has its own issues that keeps the Jewish identity of the country very much in the forefront of international news.

Asian Americans do not have the same type of historical experience or need to protect or preserve their heritage and ancestry and faith. The Asian American relationship with the "motherland" is similar to the European Americans. Yeah, family came from Germany, Ireland, England, Italy, but that was a couple generations ago and so what.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone looking at a demographic chart can see that we will soon be a suburb of Asia if we choose to let that happen. Either accept that there is some need for racial diversity or don't, but don't be surprised if "merit-only" policies soon result in elite insitutiitions that are heavily dominated by Asians. (see thomas jefferson high)

So, you are saying we need to preserve "diversity" for ethno-phobic reasons and not because you want to uplift the downtrodden?

BTW, Asians here have NO affinity to their home countries (with the exception of few radical middle easterners (who consider themselves white anyways) and some communist-minded Chinese) and consider themselves to be American. So, fear not. We will not become a suburb of any Asian country.

It’s funny that people here think Asians are “others” when you are right - asian Americans for the most part don’t give a shit about their ancestral lands.

Meanwhile, the majority of Jewish people no matter how far removed they are from Israel are very aware about Israeli issues.

Well... Jews historically were hounded out of countries, subject to periodic genocides and pogroms, heavily discriminated against for thousands of years, and are never allowed to ever forget that they are Jews, even in the US (which is the most "Jewish friendly" country in the world outside Israel). Israel is the *one* Jewish country in the world. And Israel has its own issues that keeps the Jewish identity of the country very much in the forefront of international news.

Asian Americans do not have the same type of historical experience or need to protect or preserve their heritage and ancestry and faith. The Asian American relationship with the "motherland" is similar to the European Americans. Yeah, family came from Germany, Ireland, England, Italy, but that was a couple generations ago and so what.

What a moron you are. You clearly haven't heard of the Chinese exclusion act or the racist Immigration act of 1924 or the Japanese internment camps or the denial of citizenship to Indians in the 1920's or all the freaking colonial nonsense the Asians were subjected to on their home countries.

Asians have suffered in different ways. And now Harvard wants to screw them over also in the name of some particular view of diversity that excludes them

[Anonymous]

I guess I just don't understand affirmative action.

I just think diversity, if that is the goal, should not involve the color of skin.

These institutions say they want people of all different experiences and walks of life so that everyone can be enriched by exposure to new ideas and perspectives.

The color of skin DOES NOT tell you anything substantial about the history, the education, the finances, the life history, the struggle, etc, of anyone.

Hell, just on my street, we got people of all colors, but I would hardly call us a diverse group, bc we are all high earning, college (mostly grad school, actually) educated professionals who came from high earning, educated, professional families. Everyone's married. Everyone has kids. Everyone decorates for the holidays despite different religions, everyone is friendly, everyone keeps their lawn nice, every house has at least one luxury car, etc...

But schools and work diversity is literally skin deep, which makes NO SENSE bc the AA kids at my son's $30k a year elite private school have literally NOTHING ELSE IN COMMON from an AA kid from a poor food-desert-gang-infested neighborhood.

That's why the way "diversity" is currently handled on its face is so racist.

"You're black, so you must have struggled and had druggie parents."
"You're asian, so school is easy for you and you are an academic automaton with no personality or friends...let's deduct 150 points off your SAT."
"You're white, so you can't possibly have overcome any challenges in your life."

Blah blah blah...it's ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess I just don't understand affirmative action.

I just think diversity, if that is the goal, should not involve the color of skin.

These institutions say they want people of all different experiences and walks of life so that everyone can be enriched by exposure to new ideas and perspectives.

The color of skin DOES NOT tell you anything substantial about the history, the education, the finances, the life history, the struggle, etc, of anyone.

Hell, just on my street, we got people of all colors, but I would hardly call us a diverse group, bc we are all high earning, college (mostly grad school, actually) educated professionals who came from high earning, educated, professional families. Everyone's married. Everyone has kids. Everyone decorates for the holidays despite different religions, everyone is friendly, everyone keeps their lawn nice, every house has at least one luxury car, etc...

But schools and work diversity is literally skin deep, which makes NO SENSE bc the AA kids at my son's $30k a year elite private school have literally NOTHING ELSE IN COMMON from an AA kid from a poor food-desert-gang-infested neighborhood.

That's why the way "diversity" is currently handled on its face is so racist.

"You're black, so you must have struggled and had druggie parents."
"You're asian, so school is easy for you and you are an academic automaton with no personality or friends...let's deduct 150 points off your SAT."
"You're white, so you can't possibly have overcome any challenges in your life."

Blah blah blah...it's ridiculous.

Yes, I think it's fair to say you don't understand affirmative action.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess I just don't understand affirmative action.

I just think diversity, if that is the goal, should not involve the color of skin.

These institutions say they want people of all different experiences and walks of life so that everyone can be enriched by exposure to new ideas and perspectives.

The color of skin DOES NOT tell you anything substantial about the history, the education, the finances, the life history, the struggle, etc, of anyone.

Hell, just on my street, we got people of all colors, but I would hardly call us a diverse group, bc we are all high earning, college (mostly grad school, actually) educated professionals who came from high earning, educated, professional families. Everyone's married. Everyone has kids. Everyone decorates for the holidays despite different religions, everyone is friendly, everyone keeps their lawn nice, every house has at least one luxury car, etc...

But schools and work diversity is literally skin deep, which makes NO SENSE bc the AA kids at my son's $30k a year elite private school have literally NOTHING ELSE IN COMMON from an AA kid from a poor food-desert-gang-infested neighborhood.

That's why the way "diversity" is currently handled on its face is so racist.

"You're black, so you must have struggled and had druggie parents."
"You're asian, so school is easy for you and you are an academic automaton with no personality or friends...let's deduct 150 points off your SAT."
"You're white, so you can't possibly have overcome any challenges in your life."

Blah blah blah...it's ridiculous.

Nailed it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess I just don't understand affirmative action.

I just think diversity, if that is the goal, should not involve the color of skin.

These institutions say they want people of all different experiences and walks of life so that everyone can be enriched by exposure to new ideas and perspectives.

The color of skin DOES NOT tell you anything substantial about the history, the education, the finances, the life history, the struggle, etc, of anyone.

Hell, just on my street, we got people of all colors, but I would hardly call us a diverse group, bc we are all high earning, college (mostly grad school, actually) educated professionals who came from high earning, educated, professional families. Everyone's married. Everyone has kids. Everyone decorates for the holidays despite different religions, everyone is friendly, everyone keeps their lawn nice, every house has at least one luxury car, etc...

But schools and work diversity is literally skin deep, which makes NO SENSE bc the AA kids at my son's $30k a year elite private school have literally NOTHING ELSE IN COMMON from an AA kid from a poor food-desert-gang-infested neighborhood.

That's why the way "diversity" is currently handled on its face is so racist.

"You're black, so you must have struggled and had druggie parents."
"You're asian, so school is easy for you and you are an academic automaton with no personality or friends...let's deduct 150 points off your SAT."
"You're white, so you can't possibly have overcome any challenges in your life."

Blah blah blah...it's ridiculous.

Yes, I think it's fair to say you don't understand affirmative action.

In regards to other students and families at your private school, people will let you see what they want you to see. I’m very selective about the personal details I share about my life because I know/seen not everyone has good intentions. So you won’t know what I may or may not have in common with other African-American families at the school.

The funny thing about race across different socioeconomic classes is that the one thing you do have in common is the stereotype. Whether are the AA with UMC family or AA from LMC family, the stereotypes you face are the same and the racism can look similar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
In regards to other students and families at your private school, people will let you see what they want you to see. I’m very selective about the personal details I share about my life because I know/seen not everyone has good intentions. So you won’t know what I may or may not have in common with other African-American families at the school.

The funny thing about race across different socioeconomic classes is that the one thing you do have in common is the stereotype. Whether are the AA with UMC family or AA from LMC family, the stereotypes you face are the same and the racism can look similar.

This is quite unfortunate and true. Why is it OK to benefit from this if you are say, black but not OK to benefit from this if you are Asian (where a poor-performing Asian Kid is compared to other Asians who are high-performing and held to that same standard)? Not trying to put down AA at all, just trying to understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In regards to other students and families at your private school, people will let you see what they want you to see. I’m very selective about the personal details I share about my life because I know/seen not everyone has good intentions. So you won’t know what I may or may not have in common with other African-American families at the school.

The funny thing about race across different socioeconomic classes is that the one thing you do have in common is the stereotype. Whether are the AA with UMC family or AA from LMC family, the stereotypes you face are the same and the racism can look similar.

This is quite unfortunate and true. Why is it OK to benefit from this if you are say, black but not OK to benefit from this if you are Asian (where a poor-performing Asian Kid is compared to other Asians who are high-performing and held to that same standard)? Not trying to put down AA at all, just trying to understand.

In colleges where Asians are under-represented, Asians do benefit from it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In regards to other students and families at your private school, people will let you see what they want you to see. I’m very selective about the personal details I share about my life because I know/seen not everyone has good intentions. So you won’t know what I may or may not have in common with other African-American families at the school.

The funny thing about race across different socioeconomic classes is that the one thing you do have in common is the stereotype. Whether are the AA with UMC family or AA from LMC family, the stereotypes you face are the same and the racism can look similar.

This is quite unfortunate and true. Why is it OK to benefit from this if you are say, black but not OK to benefit from this if you are Asian (where a poor-performing Asian Kid is compared to other Asians who are high-performing and held to that same standard)? Not trying to put down AA at all, just trying to understand.

In colleges where Asians are under-represented, Asians do benefit from it.

In what colleges are Asians under-represented?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In regards to other students and families at your private school, people will let you see what they want you to see. I’m very selective about the personal details I share about my life because I know/seen not everyone has good intentions. So you won’t know what I may or may not have in common with other African-American families at the school.

The funny thing about race across different socioeconomic classes is that the one thing you do have in common is the stereotype. Whether are the AA with UMC family or AA from LMC family, the stereotypes you face are the same and the racism can look similar.

This is quite unfortunate and true. Why is it OK to benefit from this if you are say, black but not OK to benefit from this if you are Asian (where a poor-performing Asian Kid is compared to other Asians who are high-performing and held to that same standard)? Not trying to put down AA at all, just trying to understand.

In colleges where Asians are under-represented, Asians do benefit from it.

In what colleges are Asians under-represented?

So I googled quickly to ensure my results could be gotten in less time than it took you to ask your question.

First result came up with data from 2013 Princeton Review, percentages of Asians

Centre 2
Beloit 2
Miami Ohio 2
Denison 3
Lawrence 3
Davidson 4
St Olaf 5
Illinois Wesleyan 5
Knox 5
RIT 5
Macalester 6
Carleton 7
Oberlin 7
Vanderbilt 8

This graph might be more helpful

https://priceonomics.com/ranking-the-most-and-least-diverse-colleges-in/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In regards to other students and families at your private school, people will let you see what they want you to see. I’m very selective about the personal details I share about my life because I know/seen not everyone has good intentions. So you won’t know what I may or may not have in common with other African-American families at the school.

The funny thing about race across different socioeconomic classes is that the one thing you do have in common is the stereotype. Whether are the AA with UMC family or AA from LMC family, the stereotypes you face are the same and the racism can look similar.

This is quite unfortunate and true. Why is it OK to benefit from this if you are say, black but not OK to benefit from this if you are Asian (where a poor-performing Asian Kid is compared to other Asians who are high-performing and held to that same standard)? Not trying to put down AA at all, just trying to understand.

In colleges where Asians are under-represented, Asians do benefit from it.

In what colleges are Asians under-represented?

So I googled quickly to ensure my results could be gotten in less time than it took you to ask your question.

First result came up with data from 2013 Princeton Review, percentages of Asians

Centre 2
Beloit 2
Miami Ohio 2
Denison 3
Lawrence 3
Davidson 4
St Olaf 5
Illinois Wesleyan 5
Knox 5
RIT 5
Macalester 6
Carleton 7
Oberlin 7
Vanderbilt 8

This graph might be more helpful

https://priceonomics.com/ranking-the-most-and-least-diverse-colleges-in/

vandy class of 2021 is 15% asian.

they aren't giving asian boosts - i think they were in the early 2000s though.

https://admissions.vanderbilt.edu/profile/