Should Asians boycott some elite universities that practice holistic admissions?

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Anonymous wrote:They aren’t less qualified. Everybody’s who is admitted is qualified. That’s a threshold — not a sliding scale. What people have to offer (experiences, talents, points of view, interests) varies. Why is that so hard to understand?

But then we circle back to the question- what is diversity? Does diversity just mean kids with different skin colors? Who’s experiences/perspective is more “diverse” in the context of highly selective schools: the black child of two lawyers living in an affluent coastal area making $300K, or the white child of a factory worker and a receptionist in Ohio?

You also can’t look at “Asians” as a monolith. Yes, East Asians and Indians have been quite successful in the US and are well-represented at top colleges. What about the tens of thousands of Hmong people (mainly in the Midwest) who came here as refugees in the 70s and 80s? Them, not so much.

All these factors are taken into account in holistic admissions.

How so?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They aren’t less qualified. Everybody’s who is admitted is qualified. That’s a threshold — not a sliding scale. What people have to offer (experiences, talents, points of view, interests) varies. Why is that so hard to understand?

But then we circle back to the question- what is diversity? Does diversity just mean kids with different skin colors? Who’s experiences/perspective is more “diverse” in the context of highly selective schools: the black child of two lawyers living in an affluent coastal area making $300K, or the white child of a factory worker and a receptionist in Ohio?

You also can’t look at “Asians” as a monolith. Yes, East Asians and Indians have been quite successful in the US and are well-represented at top colleges. What about the tens of thousands of Hmong people (mainly in the Midwest) who came here as refugees in the 70s and 80s? Them, not so much.

All these factors are taken into account in holistic admissions.

"Holistic" is euphemism for taking race as one of many factors. The problem is under the 1964 Civil Rights Act, educational institutions that receive any federal money are obligated to treat individuals equally, regardless of race or other immutable characteristics. Harvard can be like Hillsdale College. Simply decline federal aid, federal research grants, and do what it wants.

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Anonymous wrote:They aren’t less qualified. Everybody’s who is admitted is qualified. That’s a threshold — not a sliding scale. What people have to offer (experiences, talents, points of view, interests) varies. Why is that so hard to understand?

But then we circle back to the question- what is diversity? Does diversity just mean kids with different skin colors? Who’s experiences/perspective is more “diverse” in the context of highly selective schools: the black child of two lawyers living in an affluent coastal area making $300K, or the white child of a factory worker and a receptionist in Ohio?

You also can’t look at “Asians” as a monolith. Yes, East Asians and Indians have been quite successful in the US and are well-represented at top colleges. What about the tens of thousands of Hmong people (mainly in the Midwest) who came here as refugees in the 70s and 80s? Them, not so much.

All these factors are taken into account in holistic admissions.

How so?

Financial aid, outreach, regional admissions officers, targeted programs for first-gen students, partnering with groups like Questbridge. Both students you described would be considered as adding significant diversity to their class at Harvard. And, yes, while threads like this obscure it, admissions officers know that “Asian” students are a diverse group and are seeking out applicants from underrepresented subgroups.

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Anonymous wrote:They aren’t less qualified. Everybody’s who is admitted is qualified. That’s a threshold — not a sliding scale. What people have to offer (experiences, talents, points of view, interests) varies. Why is that so hard to understand?

But then we circle back to the question- what is diversity? Does diversity just mean kids with different skin colors? Who’s experiences/perspective is more “diverse” in the context of highly selective schools: the black child of two lawyers living in an affluent coastal area making $300K, or the white child of a factory worker and a receptionist in Ohio?

You also can’t look at “Asians” as a monolith. Yes, East Asians and Indians have been quite successful in the US and are well-represented at top colleges. What about the tens of thousands of Hmong people (mainly in the Midwest) who came here as refugees in the 70s and 80s? Them, not so much.

All these factors are taken into account in holistic admissions.

How so?

Financial aid, outreach, regional admissions officers, targeted programs for first-gen students, partnering with groups like Questbridge. Both students you described would be considered as adding significant diversity to their class at Harvard. And, yes, while threads like this obscure it, admissions officers know that “Asian” students are a diverse group and are seeking out applicants from underrepresented subgroups.

Previous supreme court cases may have allowed race as a factor; however, none has ruled in the context of the 1964 Civil Rights Act which prohibits educational institutions that receive federal money from considering such irrelevant factors. Harvard may do so; however, it shouldnt receive federal aid or grants.

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Anonymous wrote:When Women, blacks and Hispanics are overrepresented in anything, that's good diversity. Nobody even dares propose any changes. When Whites, Asians or men dominate something, that is bad and must change. Do liberals think the rest of the country is Stupid?

Please don't lump Asians with racist white people. And I say racist because from your attitude you must be one. Liberals lmao.

Trying to figure out where women, blacks and Hispanics are over-represented in anything that is lucrative or powerful.

modeling and professional sports. Not very many Asian Americans represented in lucrative professional sports. Female models make more than male ones, and apparently, you can get a work visa to model in the US and then eventually become FLOTUS.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They aren’t less qualified. Everybody’s who is admitted is qualified. That’s a threshold — not a sliding scale. What people have to offer (experiences, talents, points of view, interests) varies. Why is that so hard to understand?

But then we circle back to the question- what is diversity? Does diversity just mean kids with different skin colors? Who’s experiences/perspective is more “diverse” in the context of highly selective schools: the black child of two lawyers living in an affluent coastal area making $300K, or the white child of a factory worker and a receptionist in Ohio?

You also can’t look at “Asians” as a monolith. Yes, East Asians and Indians have been quite successful in the US and are well-represented at top colleges. What about the tens of thousands of Hmong people (mainly in the Midwest) who came here as refugees in the 70s and 80s? Them, not so much.

All these factors are taken into account in holistic admissions.

How so?

Financial aid, outreach, regional admissions officers, targeted programs for first-gen students, partnering with groups like Questbridge. Both students you described would be considered as adding significant diversity to their class at Harvard. And, yes, while threads like this obscure it, admissions officers know that “Asian” students are a diverse group and are seeking out applicants from underrepresented subgroups.

Harvard has no business robbing from Peter in forms of aid and research grants to pay Paul (URM.)

[Anonymous]

It’s becoming easier to game the system and get all the perks. One of my son’s AA friend got into Princeton as a first generation college student. I was baffled as his parents are both working lawyers who have an upper middle class lifestyle. Well it turned out that the young man was supposedly “fostered” by a relative with no university education.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s becoming easier to game the system and get all the perks. One of my son’s AA friend got into Princeton as a first generation college student. I was baffled as his parents are both working lawyers who have an upper middle class lifestyle. Well it turned out that the young man was supposedly “fostered” by a relative with no university education.

What about Senator Elizabeth Warren who claims she's Native American? The Pocahontas's factor is more pervasive than people think.

https://mobile.twitter.com/vijayingam/status/893961062344663041?lang=en

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Anonymous wrote:It’s becoming easier to game the system and get all the perks. One of my son’s AA friend got into Princeton as a first generation college student. I was baffled as his parents are both working lawyers who have an upper middle class lifestyle. Well it turned out that the young man was supposedly “fostered” by a relative with no university education.

you personally saw an admission letter saying "Welcome Mr First Generation"? You think Princeton sends out acceptances to "our new Native American student"
Troll much?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s becoming easier to game the system and get all the perks. One of my son’s AA friend got into Princeton as a first generation college student. I was baffled as his parents are both working lawyers who have an upper middle class lifestyle. Well it turned out that the young man was supposedly “fostered” by a relative with no university education.

you personally saw an admission letter saying "Welcome Mr First Generation"? You think Princeton sends out acceptances to "our new Native American student"
Troll much?

Why not just have Harvard take its huge endowment and spend it on whatever they wish, any way they wish? When it starts taking tax payers money, it has to justify itself, answer lawsuits, especially when there are allegations improper conduct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Should Asian Americans create a campaign to boycott test optional schools and Universities where Asian enrollment had not budged beyond 22% for almost a decade as Asian applications have steadily increased to protest against racial balancing in holistic admissions?

Or at least boycott schools that don't release race specific admission data on # of applications, # of admits, mean scores of applicants, mean score of admitted etc.

Unless there is a movement, nothing will change. Look at the gay rights movement

Good luck with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sadly they probably won't care - they would just figure out a scheme to draw apps from some other population.

Foreign students- there an endless supply and they are often full pay.

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Anonymous wrote:Why 22%?

5.6 percent of the total American population IDs as Asian. Seems like a very high % vs population?

Sounds like 22% is way too high...maybe it should be like 6%?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why 22%?

5.6 percent of the total American population IDs as Asian. Seems like a very high % vs population?

Sounds like 22% is way too high...maybe it should be like 6%?

I'm sure you would support harvard being 2% jewish then?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why 22%?

5.6 percent of the total American population IDs as Asian. Seems like a very high % vs population?

Sounds like 22% is way too high...maybe it should be like 6%?

I'm sure you would support harvard being 2% jewish then?

For the millionth time, Judaism is not a race, and religion is not factored in college admissions at most selective colleges.