Should Asians boycott some elite universities that practice holistic admissions?

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I think the elite colleges have plausible reason to use holistic evaluation for admissions. It's called social responsibility.
This is not discrimination, otherwise asian americans would not have filled those elite schools with 30 or 40% of the student body. I myself is an asian american. If my children could not make into the elite schools under that kind of ethnic admission rate I would go to a lesser school. Think about it, my asian american friends. What you are asking is winner takes all (let alone the question what should be factors for choosing a winner). Let's say if all the top few schools become 80% asian from the admissions solely based on test scores, is it really what you want to see? The schools will become boring if not for anything else.

For the society's good, we have to give opportunities to various groups so they can have highly educated leadership that will go back to their communities and improve the life in their neighborhood. I am not saying we don't want fair competition, but it has to have a balance so the society can be kept from all the ill resulted from the lack of opportunity in some sections. This will benefit everyone of us.

How about NBA that's 95% full of... tall basketball players... do you have problems with that? Or NFL that's 95% full of... muscle-bound meatheads... do you have problems with that? For the good of the "social responsibility," in the name of diversity, should we not have short basketball players... and bookish book-worms football players? Professional sports such as NBA and NFL are the epitome of homogeneity. I am willing to bet my house you don't have problems with that.

. Professional sports are different from every other type of employment and are a very very very small percentage of the population. This example is not making your point. Test scores and grades are not the only thing that points to a successful college experience. Going to college is not just about preparing for employment. To make it meaningful for everyone that attends, having diversity (the many different types of diversity) adds to the experience.

"Diversity" where your classmates are less qualified only confirms stereotype that certain people can make it only with affirmative action doesn't add much to your experience.

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They aren’t less qualified. Everybody’s who is admitted is qualified. That’s a threshold — not a sliding scale. What people have to offer (experiences, talents, points of view, interests) varies. Why is that so hard to understand?

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Anonymous wrote:They aren’t less qualified. Everybody’s who is admitted is qualified. That’s a threshold — not a sliding scale. What people have to offer (experiences, talents, points of view, interests) varies. Why is that so hard to understand?

Harvard said the same thing in excluding Jewish students. Why is this so difficult for you to see the pattern? It goes to prove just because you have eyes doesn't mean you can see; just because you have ears, doesn't mean you can hear.

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Anonymous wrote:They aren’t less qualified. Everybody’s who is admitted is qualified. That’s a threshold — not a sliding scale. What people have to offer (experiences, talents, points of view, interests) varies. Why is that so hard to understand?

But then we circle back to the question- what is diversity? Does diversity just mean kids with different skin colors? Who’s experiences/perspective is more “diverse” in the context of highly selective schools: the black child of two lawyers living in an affluent coastal area making $300K, or the white child of a factory worker and a receptionist in Ohio?

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Anonymous wrote:They aren’t less qualified. Everybody’s who is admitted is qualified. That’s a threshold — not a sliding scale. What people have to offer (experiences, talents, points of view, interests) varies. Why is that so hard to understand?

But then we circle back to the question- what is diversity? Does diversity just mean kids with different skin colors? Who’s experiences/perspective is more “diverse” in the context of highly selective schools: the black child of two lawyers living in an affluent coastal area making $300K, or the white child of a factory worker and a receptionist in Ohio?

You also can’t look at “Asians” as a monolith. Yes, East Asians and Indians have been quite successful in the US and are well-represented at top colleges. What about the tens of thousands of Hmong people (mainly in the Midwest) who came here as refugees in the 70s and 80s? Them, not so much.

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There are also reports that AA doesn't help African- Americans, as most elite colleges and universities engage in creativity in determining who counts as "Black" students. The main beneficiaries of AA appear to be first gen African and Carrebean immigrants.

https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2017/10/09/cornell-students-revive-debate-whom-colleges-should-count-black

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Anonymous wrote:Why 22%?

5.6 percent of the total American population IDs as Asian. Seems like a very high % vs population?

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Anonymous wrote:When Women, blacks and Hispanics are overrepresented in anything, that's good diversity. Nobody even dares propose any changes. When Whites, Asians or men dominate something, that is bad and must change. Do liberals think the rest of the country is Stupid?

Please don't lump Asians with racist white people. And I say racist because from your attitude you must be one. Liberals lmao.

Trying to figure out where women, blacks and Hispanics are over-represented in anything that is lucrative or powerful.

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Anonymous wrote:When Women, blacks and Hispanics are overrepresented in anything, that's good diversity. Nobody even dares propose any changes. When Whites, Asians or men dominate something, that is bad and must change. Do liberals think the rest of the country is Stupid?

Please don't lump Asians with racist white people. And I say racist because from your attitude you must be one. Liberals lmao.

Trying to figure out where women, blacks and Hispanics are over-represented in anything that is lucrative or powerful.

How about some diversity in the NFL, NBA?

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This is sort of random but related.

DD is a swimmer who hopes to swim at a D1 college. She could be a mid-range swimmer with strong academic stats at a flagship or a top swimmer at an Ivy w/ the stats to get-in hooked but who knows unhooked. As we navigate the recruiting process we have learned that the most teams are expected to have an average GPA and that a lower GPA of a strong swimmer can be balanced by the higher GPAs of less strong swimmers.

As I have looked through the rosters of Ivy schools to see how her best times compare I have noticed a lot of Asian swimmers. At one for example 28% of the team is Asian (11/39 swimmers and divers) compared with 20% of the undergrad student body according to published data. I guess the point is not all Asian students are just test machines and many have learned how to use the process to get admitted. I wonder if the high Asian representation in swimming is unique compared with other sports or is it something as simple as there is a large Asian population in California swimming is big bc of the weather.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When Women, blacks and Hispanics are overrepresented in anything, that's good diversity. Nobody even dares propose any changes. When Whites, Asians or men dominate something, that is bad and must change. Do liberals think the rest of the country is Stupid?

Please don't lump Asians with racist white people. And I say racist because from your attitude you must be one. Liberals lmao.

Trying to figure out where women, blacks and Hispanics are over-represented in anything that is lucrative or powerful.

How about some diversity in the NFL, NBA?

Oh, where things are based singularly on merit and physical prowess in sports. Take yourself to the combine and see how it goes. Also, I love the clear path to head coaching and ownership for those over represented minorities.

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11 of the 19 players for Harvard men’s basketball last year were black, FWIW.

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Anonymous wrote:When Women, blacks and Hispanics are overrepresented in anything, that's good diversity. Nobody even dares propose any changes. When Whites, Asians or men dominate something, that is bad and must change. Do liberals think the rest of the country is Stupid?

Please don't lump Asians with racist white people. And I say racist because from your attitude you must be one. Liberals lmao.

Trying to figure out where women, blacks and Hispanics are over-represented in anything that is lucrative or powerful.

How about some diversity in the NFL, NBA?

Oh, where things are based singularly on merit and physical prowess in sports. Take yourself to the combine and see how it goes. Also, I love the clear path to head coaching and ownership for those over represented minorities.

I'd love to hear Charles Barkley, Jesse Jackson asking for more Jewish players in the NBA.

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Anonymous wrote:This is sort of random but related.

DD is a swimmer who hopes to swim at a D1 college. She could be a mid-range swimmer with strong academic stats at a flagship or a top swimmer at an Ivy w/ the stats to get-in hooked but who knows unhooked. As we navigate the recruiting process we have learned that the most teams are expected to have an average GPA and that a lower GPA of a strong swimmer can be balanced by the higher GPAs of less strong swimmers.

As I have looked through the rosters of Ivy schools to see how her best times compare I have noticed a lot of Asian swimmers. At one for example 28% of the team is Asian (11/39 swimmers and divers) compared with 20% of the undergrad student body according to published data. I guess the point is not all Asian students are just test machines and many have learned how to use the process to get admitted. I wonder if the high Asian representation in swimming is unique compared with other sports or is it something as simple as there is a large Asian population in California swimming is big bc of the weather.

Lots of Asian fencers too!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They aren’t less qualified. Everybody’s who is admitted is qualified. That’s a threshold — not a sliding scale. What people have to offer (experiences, talents, points of view, interests) varies. Why is that so hard to understand?

But then we circle back to the question- what is diversity? Does diversity just mean kids with different skin colors? Who’s experiences/perspective is more “diverse” in the context of highly selective schools: the black child of two lawyers living in an affluent coastal area making $300K, or the white child of a factory worker and a receptionist in Ohio?

You also can’t look at “Asians” as a monolith. Yes, East Asians and Indians have been quite successful in the US and are well-represented at top colleges. What about the tens of thousands of Hmong people (mainly in the Midwest) who came here as refugees in the 70s and 80s? Them, not so much.

All these factors are taken into account in holistic admissions.