Should Asians boycott some elite universities that practice holistic admissions?

[Anonymous]

Went to a HS graduation yesterday and valedictorian was a white laid back mellow guy. The salutatorian was an Indian girl.

The Indian went on and on about the honor and hours and hours of studying blah blah blah all big words and quotes from snooty dead white people.

The valedictorian said it is embarasing to be here as not like having a certain grade is an accomplishment. He added every parent in room is 100 times smarter than him as they lived life, married, had kids and raised them. He then said I wasted enough you time thanks.

My daughter said guy is cool, he did not even write a speech could give a shit and does not study much. But he is the most super genius kid anyone every could meet.

He is going to Yale. Oh my and he is white, middle class oh no

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Should Asian Americans create a campaign to boycott test optional schools and Universities where Asian enrollment had not budged beyond 22% for almost a decade as Asian applications have steadily increased to protest against racial balancing in holistic admissions?

Or at least boycott schools that don't release race specific admission data on # of applications, # of admits, mean scores of applicants, mean score of admitted etc.

Unless there is a movement, nothing will change. Look at the gay rights movement

Game theory. Even if 100% Asians agreed to a boycott, 99.9% of them would then secretly apply. If rejected, they can claim they adhered to the boycott. If accepted, they'd say oh well, my kid's going to HYPS!

Harvard ain't the only game in town. There are other schools. And if UChicago is playing games in anticipation of a lawsuit, then just apply to other schools. Apply to schools that define their success with students' success.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Students should take a common sense approach in creating approximately 10 common app. colleges to apply. If Harvard doesn't have a history of welcoming Asian students, it makes more sense to replace it with schools that do.

That said, I am inclined to believe there are great many SLACs that have relatively low Asian acceptances - less to do with discrimination - more to do with the fact that Asians are enamored of Harvard and Ivy League. These are the schools that Asians should be focused if they want to increase their chances at top schools. These schools are just as good, if not better, than Harvard and other Ivy League schools.

In what universe is 22% of enrollees "not welcoming?"

If you did 22% in stocks this year - and S&P cruised to 45% - you lost.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students should take a common sense approach in creating approximately 10 common app. colleges to apply. If Harvard doesn't have a history of welcoming Asian students, it makes more sense to replace it with schools that do.

That said, I am inclined to believe there are great many SLACs that have relatively low Asian acceptances - less to do with discrimination - more to do with the fact that Asians are enamored of Harvard and Ivy League. These are the schools that Asians should be focused if they want to increase their chances at top schools. These schools are just as good, if not better, than Harvard and other Ivy League schools.

In what universe is 22% of enrollees "not welcoming?"

If you did 22% in stocks this year - and S&P cruised to 45% - you lost.

That doesn't answer the question. Perhaps that's why you (or your kid) is having a difficult time with admissions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes just apply to schools just base admissions on test scores and nothing else. The students would find their best fit.

What if the schools want some kids who know where commas go?

The tests don't really evaluate that these days. What do colleges do about important areas of academic knowledge not in the tests?

Computers can put commas in the right places, computers can do mathematical computations, computers can retrieve facts, dates, numbers. If that's what your kid is trained to do why bother? It's like training a young artist to paint photo-realistically, like a camera. What's the point? Harvard doesn't need to admit robots, cameras or computers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students should take a common sense approach in creating approximately 10 common app. colleges to apply. If Harvard doesn't have a history of welcoming Asian students, it makes more sense to replace it with schools that do.

That said, I am inclined to believe there are great many SLACs that have relatively low Asian acceptances - less to do with discrimination - more to do with the fact that Asians are enamored of Harvard and Ivy League. These are the schools that Asians should be focused if they want to increase their chances at top schools. These schools are just as good, if not better, than Harvard and other Ivy League schools.

In what universe is 22% of enrollees "not welcoming?"

If you did 22% in stocks this year - and S&P cruised to 45% - you lost.

That doesn't answer the question. Perhaps that's why you (or your kid) is having a difficult time with admissions?

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We had to be strategic when coming up with 10 common app schools when my D applied last year. We limited to 2 Ivy Leagues and focused the balance on top SLACs. As anticipated, she met with greater success with SLACs, including with additional scholarships. Several SLACs became cheaper than state schools. There are schools that welcome Asian students - and even will invest in students' education.

[Anonymous]

The scare in the non-Asians is so palpable it is manifesting in the form of denigrating the Asians. If you can't take the heat now just wait and see how hot t gets when your children get to be of your present age and the world they will live in then will be so different from the world you are currently living in. Just think about how the world has changed since your parents were of your current age to the present time. The rate of change going forward will be exponential due to technological advances and increased globalization. If you want to bring up your children to give them the best skills to succeed in their lives, have them love and pursue with passion acquiring knowledge, developing skills and self-learning. Bashing Asians may sooth your anxieties but it will only be temporary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students should take a common sense approach in creating approximately 10 common app. colleges to apply. If Harvard doesn't have a history of welcoming Asian students, it makes more sense to replace it with schools that do.

That said, I am inclined to believe there are great many SLACs that have relatively low Asian acceptances - less to do with discrimination - more to do with the fact that Asians are enamored of Harvard and Ivy League. These are the schools that Asians should be focused if they want to increase their chances at top schools. These schools are just as good, if not better, than Harvard and other Ivy League schools.

In what universe is 22% of enrollees "not welcoming?"

If you did 22% in stocks this year - and S&P cruised to 45% - you lost.

That doesn't answer the question. Perhaps that's why you (or your kid) is having a difficult time with admissions?

?????
We had to be strategic when coming up with 10 common app schools when my D applied last year. We limited to 2 Ivy Leagues and focused the balance on top SLACs. As anticipated, she met with greater success with SLACs, including with additional scholarships. Several SLACs became cheaper than state schools. There are schools that welcome Asian students - and even will invest in students' education.

Congratulations to you and your D. I think your thought process is sound. But I still feel the Harvard lawsuit is meritless.

[Anonymous]

I think this is a label obsession. Some Asian parents want an Ivy Label for their DC, even though they would get a better, cheaper education elsewhere. Which is pretty stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The scare in the non-Asians is so palpable it is manifesting in the form of denigrating the Asians. If you can't take the heat now just wait and see how hot t gets when your children get to be of your present age and the world they will live in then will be so different from the world you are currently living in. Just think about how the world has changed since your parents were of your current age to the present time. The rate of change going forward will be exponential due to technological advances and increased globalization. If you want to bring up your children to give them the best skills to succeed in their lives, have them love and pursue with passion acquiring knowledge, developing skills and self-learning. Bashing Asians may sooth your anxieties but it will only be temporary.

Whites aren't scared of Asians we are just tired of the entitlement and whining. Even white people aren't that bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The scare in the non-Asians is so palpable it is manifesting in the form of denigrating the Asians. If you can't take the heat now just wait and see how hot t gets when your children get to be of your present age and the world they will live in then will be so different from the world you are currently living in. Just think about how the world has changed since your parents were of your current age to the present time. The rate of change going forward will be exponential due to technological advances and increased globalization. If you want to bring up your children to give them the best skills to succeed in their lives, have them love and pursue with passion acquiring knowledge, developing skills and self-learning. Bashing Asians may sooth your anxieties but it will only be temporary.

I agree with all that, but they are very "prestige" oriented - you have to admit that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think this is a label obsession. Some Asian parents want an Ivy Label for their DC, even though they would get a better, cheaper education elsewhere. Which is pretty stupid.

You are right, but it is not just Asians. I have had white and black parents brag to me about the same thing, as if it is an accomplishment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The scare in the non-Asians is so palpable it is manifesting in the form of denigrating the Asians. If you can't take the heat now just wait and see how hot t gets when your children get to be of your present age and the world they will live in then will be so different from the world you are currently living in. Just think about how the world has changed since your parents were of your current age to the present time. The rate of change going forward will be exponential due to technological advances and increased globalization. If you want to bring up your children to give them the best skills to succeed in their lives, have them love and pursue with passion acquiring knowledge, developing skills and self-learning. Bashing Asians may sooth your anxieties but it will only be temporary.

Asians don't have the best skills. They simply have a cultural norm of slavish studying.

The people who really succeed in this world aren't the ones with the best test scores. Instead they are the creative thinkers. .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The scare in the non-Asians is so palpable it is manifesting in the form of denigrating the Asians. If you can't take the heat now just wait and see how hot t gets when your children get to be of your present age and the world they will live in then will be so different from the world you are currently living in. Just think about how the world has changed since your parents were of your current age to the present time. The rate of change going forward will be exponential due to technological advances and increased globalization. If you want to bring up your children to give them the best skills to succeed in their lives, have them love and pursue with passion acquiring knowledge, developing skills and self-learning. Bashing Asians may sooth your anxieties but it will only be temporary.

Asians don't have the best skills. They simply have a cultural norm of slavish studying.

The people who really succeed in this world aren't the ones with the best test scores. Instead they are the creative thinkers. .

Tiger Mom missed the memo on this fact. An education is no guarantee of success in the real world, creativity and soft (people) skills are hugely important, but those are not things you learn in a book.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The scare in the non-Asians is so palpable it is manifesting in the form of denigrating the Asians. If you can't take the heat now just wait and see how hot t gets when your children get to be of your present age and the world they will live in then will be so different from the world you are currently living in. Just think about how the world has changed since your parents were of your current age to the present time. The rate of change going forward will be exponential due to technological advances and increased globalization. If you want to bring up your children to give them the best skills to succeed in their lives, have them love and pursue with passion acquiring knowledge, developing skills and self-learning. Bashing Asians may sooth your anxieties but it will only be temporary.

Asians don't have the best skills. They simply have a cultural norm of slavish studying.

The people who really succeed in this world aren't the ones with the best test scores. Instead they are the creative thinkers. .

I'd say there are multiple hurdles to jump over to be successful, but that there is more than one path to take.

Creative thinking isn't enough, if you don't know how to follow-through or are prone to plagues of self-doubt. Confidence isn't enough, if you can't back it up with skills and a knowledge base. And the best teams are going to be multiskilled people with different but complimentary sets of strengths and weaknesses.