Prop 77 - still torn!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My prediction is that restaurants will, over time, begin adding service charges to the bill. And, as others have said, when you see a service charge you don't tip much. And the service charge won't go to the server . . .

How about not at all for me. I wonder if the businesses can in turn automatically include tips on all bills?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Points I've not heard mentioned:

There are other negative outcomes that result from employers not paying an actual wage besides income loss. When an employer pays you chump change and knows your are at the mercy of the guests paying your salary, they also don't respect your time very much.

Maybe some restaurants will consider relocating to areas with barely any sit down restaurants, like Wards 7 and 8, in order to make ends meet. Maybe diners will consider actually (gulp) travelling to wards 7 and 8 for meal prices that are more reasonable than downtown.

And maybe these "uneducated people with such a great entry into making a living" can actually do so because they won't have to go through 2-3 weeks of crap tips and crap wages because their manager is starting them at the bottom of the totem pole after training (with bad sections and bad guests.) If it's so easy for someone with no skills to enter this profitable job, why do 80% of my co-workers (server/bartenders) have BA.s?

You are right in sense that they could respect your time more, but it's really not the issue here. Actually, it's usually the customer who sits there extra hour. They might sit there even longer now that they pay a lot for their meal. See, I can twist and turn it the way I see it.
We cannot find workers at $20-$40 an hour and it's a good place to work. Respect my time? I'm taking my 2nd 2-3 month vacation this year. Let's talk about flexibility. They also let many of us come in several hours later. "Just come for the rush". You don't see what they do for us. They work with our start time, and yes, ofcourse we still complain if they keep us there 10 minutes longer since the customer still sits there.
You can travel to Anacostia for a meal. I don't want to travel for food. Beautiful neighborhood with a great view though.
My coworkers don't have BAs. Most are in school, some have high school and some have nothing. I'm not sure where you eat/work, but since most restaurants are hiring, there's space for BAs, GEDs and MAs holder.
I've been in business for 20 years and I still ask a new place to start me out slowly. God forbid I don't make what others make the first month. I'd rather not mess and up upset my customers and myself than have an extra $50. All new people still make DC minimum wage that you call crap wage while training.
I'm not the one who is going to suffer. The guy who filled out an application and asked me (English is clearly not my first language) how to spell a "bouncer" is going to suffer. He is not going to get a chance now.
So, do you agree that there might be less work after 77 takes affect? Nowhere do you say that there is going to be more work. If less as I suspect, the GED holder is the loser here, not the BA holder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a 20% tipper
Too but will definitely stop once this goes into effect. The idiots who voted for this have no idea the negative impact this will have. Locally owned businesses will stop opening and we will truly be nothing but chains. Activist are some of the dumbest people in this town. As for servers complaining they work at a dive bar and do t make much money?? Be better, educated or move onto to a more high end restaurant.

Activists may be dumb as you claim but you’re right up there with them despite thinking highly of yourself . How many effing restaurants fall in the high end category ? Better yet , how often do you dine at a $100/ plate restaurant ? Hypocrite

My husband and kid eat out at least twice a week where we spend a minimum of $60-$75. The waiters typically have at least theee or four tables so at 15-20% tips they are doing ok. You guys act like it’s a life sentence to wait tables. Most people don’t do it for life. I never made a “living wage” putting myself through college. And have worked as both a hostess and waitress. I hated it and still know that prop 77 is bad for the city. And I actually work in development and real estate now so I have some sense of how urban economics work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a 20% tipper
Too but will definitely stop once this goes into effect. The idiots who voted for this have no idea the negative impact this will have. Locally owned businesses will stop opening and we will truly be nothing but chains. Activist are some of the dumbest people in this town. As for servers complaining they work at a dive bar and do t make much money?? Be better, educated or move onto to a more high end restaurant.

Activists may be dumb as you claim but you’re right up there with them despite thinking highly of yourself . How many effing restaurants fall in the high end category ? Better yet , how often do you dine at a $100/ plate restaurant ? Hypocrite

My husband and kid eat out at least twice a week where we spend a minimum of $60-$75. The waiters typically have at least theee or four tables so at 15-20% tips they are doing ok. You guys act like it’s a life sentence to wait tables. Most people don’t do it for life. I never made a “living wage” putting myself through college. And have worked as both a hostess and waitress. I hated it and still know that prop 77 is bad for the city. And I actually work in development and real estate now so I have some sense of how urban economics work.

Urban economics lol. You don’t seem to have much in the way of intellectual depth , put this in that smug , self-satisfied haughty head of yours . The crappy anecdote that you shared is just that an anecdote, I know you’re white ( deny it all you want ) but your unsurprising need to make it about you is telling . You have no proof that the waiter is making a guaranteed 20% on those tables and stupidly enough you talk about your experience as if it’s the norm . It’s about you isn’t it ?

Furthermore $60-75 still doesn’t fall into the high end category which I alluded when someone mentioned that servers who complain about working in dive bars should seek jobs elsewhere . I worked in restaurants too , bus boy , bar back, waiter and unlike you I always thought the tipping system was exploitative and somewhat humiliating . Servers are employees and they should paid as such, if that result in some restaurants with shaky concepts going under , so be it .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a 20% tipper
Too but will definitely stop once this goes into effect. The idiots who voted for this have no idea the negative impact this will have. Locally owned businesses will stop opening and we will truly be nothing but chains. Activist are some of the dumbest people in this town. As for servers complaining they work at a dive bar and do t make much money?? Be better, educated or move onto to a more high end restaurant.

Activists may be dumb as you claim but you’re right up there with them despite thinking highly of yourself . How many effing restaurants fall in the high end category ? Better yet , how often do you dine at a $100/ plate restaurant ? Hypocrite

My husband and kid eat out at least twice a week where we spend a minimum of $60-$75. The waiters typically have at least theee or four tables so at 15-20% tips they are doing ok. You guys act like it’s a life sentence to wait tables. Most people don’t do it for life. I never made a “living wage” putting myself through college. And have worked as both a hostess and waitress. I hated it and still know that prop 77 is bad for the city. And I actually work in development and real estate now so I have some sense of how urban economics work.

Urban economics lol. You don’t seem to have much in the way of intellectual depth , put this in that smug , self-satisfied haughty head of yours . The crappy anecdote that you shared is just that an anecdote, I know you’re white ( deny it all you want ) but your unsurprising need to make it about you is telling . You have no proof that the waiter is making a guaranteed 20% on those tables and stupidly enough you talk about your experience as if it’s the norm . It’s about you isn’t it ?

Furthermore $60-75 still doesn’t fall into the high end category which I alluded when someone mentioned that servers who complain about working in dive bars should seek jobs elsewhere . I worked in restaurants too , bus boy , bar back, waiter and unlike you I always thought the tipping system was exploitative and somewhat humiliating . Servers are employees and they should paid as such, if that result in some restaurants with shaky concepts going under , so be it .

So they should try to move on or move up. Have we decided that people have no self agency anymore?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:The implementation schedule for phasing out the tipped minimum wage is as follows:
July 2018: $4.50
July 2019: $6
July 2020: $7.50
July 2021: $9
July 2022: $10.50
July 2023: $12
July 2024: $13.50
July 2025: $15
https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/food/article/21010014/voters-pass-initiative-77-eliminating-tipped-minimum-wage-in-dc

From:

https://twitter.com/LauraHayesDC/status/1009261137337176065

Thank you for posting this. I am tired of hearing all the negativity against this because waiters are going to make $15 an hour SEVEN YEARS FROM NOW.

I think it’s outrageous that they are only being paid 3.33 right now. In 2018. I waited tables in high school and the hourly pay was 2.05 plus tips in the 1980s - only a one dollar increase over the course of 30 years?

And I have never heard of any employer actually paying the difference to make it up to the minimum wage. They are happy to have too many servers twiddling their thumbs when there aren’t too few customers. Isn’t the point of tips is that they can be in cash/under the table? If they employ less servers due to this, each server will have a chance to make more in tips.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele]The implementation schedule for phasing out the tipped minimum wage is as follows:
July 2018: $4.50
July 2019: $6
July 2020: $7.50
July 2021: $9
July 2022: $10.50
July 2023: $12
July 2024: $13.50
July 2025: $15
https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/food/article/21010014/voters-pass-initiative-77-eliminating-tipped-minimum-wage-in-dc

From:

https://twitter.com/LauraHayesDC/status/1009261137337176065

[/quote]

Thank you for posting this. I am tired of hearing all the negativity against this because waiters are going to make $15 an hour SEVEN YEARS FROM NOW.

I think it’s outrageous that they are only being paid 3.33 right now. In 2018. I waited tables in high school and the hourly pay was 2.05 plus tips in the 1980s - only a one dollar increase over the course of 30 years?

And I have never heard of any employer actually paying the difference to make it up to the minimum wage. They are happy to have too many servers twiddling their thumbs when there aren’t too few customers. Isn’t the point of tips is that they can be in cash/under the table? If they employ less servers due to this, each server will have a chance to make more in tips. [/quote]


Maybe you never heard of employer paying the difference is because tipped employees make way more than minimum wage so employer doesn’t have to do it . By law though if tipped emolyees make zero tip guess what employer have to pay the difference.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele]The implementation schedule for phasing out the tipped minimum wage is as follows:
July 2018: $4.50
July 2019: $6
July 2020: $7.50
July 2021: $9
July 2022: $10.50
July 2023: $12
July 2024: $13.50
July 2025: $15
https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/food/article/21010014/voters-pass-initiative-77-eliminating-tipped-minimum-wage-in-dc

From:

https://twitter.com/LauraHayesDC/status/1009261137337176065

[/quote]

Thank you for posting this. I am tired of hearing all the negativity against this because waiters are going to make $15 an hour SEVEN YEARS FROM NOW.

I think it’s outrageous that they are only being paid 3.33 right now. In 2018. I waited tables in high school and the hourly pay was 2.05 plus tips in the 1980s - only a one dollar increase over the course of 30 years?

And I have never heard of any employer actually paying the difference to make it up to the minimum wage. They are happy to have too many servers twiddling their thumbs when there aren’t too few customers. Isn’t the point of tips is that they can be in cash/under the table? If they employ less servers due to this, each server will have a chance to make more in tips. [/quote]


Maybe you never heard of employer paying the difference is because tipped employees make way more than minimum wage so employer doesn’t have to do it . By law though if tipped emolyees make zero tip guess what employer have to pay the difference. [/quote]

Yeah, by law. Has this ever been done? Ever needed to be done? Did the employees know this (I didn’t)?

The only was restaurants can be in business is if they pay half their staff 3.33. SMH. . .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a 20% tipper
Too but will definitely stop once this goes into effect. The idiots who voted for this have no idea the negative impact this will have. Locally owned businesses will stop opening and we will truly be nothing but chains. Activist are some of the dumbest people in this town. As for servers complaining they work at a dive bar and do t make much money?? Be better, educated or move onto to a more high end restaurant.

Activists may be dumb as you claim but you’re right up there with them despite thinking highly of yourself . How many effing restaurants fall in the high end category ? Better yet , how often do you dine at a $100/ plate restaurant ? Hypocrite

My husband and kid eat out at least twice a week where we spend a minimum of $60-$75. The waiters typically have at least theee or four tables so at 15-20% tips they are doing ok. You guys act like it’s a life sentence to wait tables. Most people don’t do it for life. I never made a “living wage” putting myself through college. And have worked as both a hostess and waitress. I hated it and still know that prop 77 is bad for the city. And I actually work in development and real estate now so I have some sense of how urban economics work.

Urban economics lol. You don’t seem to have much in the way of intellectual depth , put this in that smug , self-satisfied haughty head of yours . The crappy anecdote that you shared is just that an anecdote, I know you’re white ( deny it all you want ) but your unsurprising need to make it about you is telling . You have no proof that the waiter is making a guaranteed 20% on those tables and stupidly enough you talk about your experience as if it’s the norm . It’s about you isn’t it ?

Furthermore $60-75 still doesn’t fall into the high end category which I alluded when someone mentioned that servers who complain about working in dive bars should seek jobs elsewhere . I worked in restaurants too , bus boy , bar back, waiter and unlike you I always thought the tipping system was exploitative and somewhat humiliating . Servers are employees and they should paid as such, if that result in some restaurants with shaky concepts going under , so be it .

So they should try to move on or move up. Have we decided that people have no self agency anymore?

Worry about your life , you’re painfully dense good God. Servers are employees just like any other and as such they should be paid the prevailing wage . We can’t have a minimum wage set to be at $15 for everybody else while a segment of the labor force gets $3.33/hr because we’ve abandoned them to the whims of twats like you all in the name of ‘tipping’. Some of us have every intention to keep tipping when and if appropriate .

[Anonymous]

Well I'm not going to bear the brunt of this by paying higher meal prices AND tipping 20% on top of it so I guess I'll just cut back on the amount I eat out which is fine for me, but obviously not so much for those waiting tables or operating restaurants. Do you see how cause and effect works?

[Anonymous]

I can foresee the way this will go: restaurants like Cava and Nandos Peri-Peri will increase because they have less or zero wait staff to worry about. And I will be fine with that, because I like those restaurants! I'll bet we'll even get better self-serve-type restaurants as business owners figure out the best way to make money. Bars will also have self-serve options.

If I want to have a really nice, traditional, server-provided meal, I'll probably to to VA or MD for the experience.

There will still be traditional restaurants in the high-rent areas of DC, but they will cater to wealthy people who can afford it. In the end, there will be LESS service jobs for DC residents, but that's the way these kind of initiatives usually go: best of intentions, not very well thought out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well I'm not going to bear the brunt of this by paying higher meal prices AND tipping 20% on top of it so I guess I'll just cut back on the amount I eat out which is fine for me, but obviously not so much for those waiting tables or operating restaurants. Do you see how cause and effect works?

I hope you don’t have a job where your cognitive skills are needed on a daily basis as it is clear you have none. Could you show me the part of the proposed legislation that mandates tipping ? Since you care so much about those in the service industry, particularly restaurant workers , why would you be ok with the status quo where the prevailing minimum wage of a city is $15 and a subset of the labor force is paid $3.33/hr?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well I'm not going to bear the brunt of this by paying higher meal prices AND tipping 20% on top of it so I guess I'll just cut back on the amount I eat out which is fine for me, but obviously not so much for those waiting tables or operating restaurants. Do you see how cause and effect works?

I hope you don’t have a job where your cognitive skills are needed on a daily basis as it is clear you have none. Could you show me the part of the proposed legislation that mandates tipping ? Since you care so much about those in the service industry, particularly restaurant workers , why would you be ok with the status quo where the prevailing minimum wage of a city is $15 and a subset of the labor force is paid $3.33/hr?

You are one angry little person, aren't you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well I'm not going to bear the brunt of this by paying higher meal prices AND tipping 20% on top of it so I guess I'll just cut back on the amount I eat out which is fine for me, but obviously not so much for those waiting tables or operating restaurants. Do you see how cause and effect works?

I hope you don’t have a job where your cognitive skills are needed on a daily basis as it is clear you have none. Could you show me the part of the proposed legislation that mandates tipping ? Since you care so much about those in the service industry, particularly restaurant workers , why would you be ok with the status quo where the prevailing minimum wage of a city is $15 and a subset of the labor force is paid $3.33/hr?

Well, gee. How about because, by their own decree, they end up making far more than $15 an hour, based on the tips they get?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well I'm not going to bear the brunt of this by paying higher meal prices AND tipping 20% on top of it so I guess I'll just cut back on the amount I eat out which is fine for me, but obviously not so much for those waiting tables or operating restaurants. Do you see how cause and effect works?

I hope you don’t have a job where your cognitive skills are needed on a daily basis as it is clear you have none. Could you show me the part of the proposed legislation that mandates tipping ? Since you care so much about those in the service industry, particularly restaurant workers , why would you be ok with the status quo where the prevailing minimum wage of a city is $15 and a subset of the labor force is paid $3.33/hr?

Well, gee. How about because, by their own decree, they end up making far more than $15 an hour, based on the tips they get?

+100
Waiters and waitresses can make a pretty darn good living on tips (depending on the restaurant). I waitressed as a teen at a family restaurant (not high end by any means) and made excellent money. Back then, our hourly wage was $1.15/hour. Tips were our real pay.