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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]Anonymous wrote:
I do think the rally had something to do with this. That really hurt Charlottesville nationally, even though they had nothing to do with what happened. However, it certainly didn't help to learn that the organizers were UVA grads.

singular - Jason - and he graduated in 2009.[b]Very few people even know that so I don't know what your gripe is.[/b] Every school has its troubled students. Look at Va -Tech! UVA had nothing to do with the protest - Jason just took advantage of the visuals on the lawn. Meanwhile Teresa Sullivan did a masterful job of clearing the campus (it happened before school started so few were on campus) and alerted state and county officials to protect the University.[/quote]

Not true--the fact that a UVA grad (okay, so there was only one) was involved in the organizing was all over the national news. Anyone who was paying attention now knows this. And yes, the group "took advantage of the visuals," which means they could do it again. [/quote]

[b]Rally leader Richard Spencer also has a UVA degree[/b]. The rally leaders took advantage of their knowledge of the campus to make their way to the rotunda to create the visual. Inexplicably, President Sullivan trusted these Nazis to take the route they promised to take. She was caught off guard when they lied and took a different route. I don’t understand why anyone would trust the word of Nazis. But that’s what happened. Perhaps some potential applicants are paying attention to this incompetence. [/quote]

You omitted Spencer's advanced degrees from [b]U. of Chicago[/b] and [b]Duke[/b].  They are more recent.  Are those institutions also somehow at fault?  And what is the rant about "routes" taken?  UVA is a public university - the alt.righters could go anywhere they wanted to exercise their first amendment rights.  They also had permits  from the city for the protest the next day.  Sullivan was not caught off guard.  The campus police were later criticized for not being sufficiently alert.  She did an admirable job of getting everyone cleared off of campus.  http://www.nbc29.com/story/36064974/uva-president-wants-uva-community-to-avoid-unite-the-right  Please provide citations for your screed or I'll assume you're another UVA applicant who didn't get in.[/quote]

Those other degrees aren’t relevant to a discussion about Spencer role at the UVA hate rally.

The Nazi protester deviated from their stated route. Here’s the cite -
http://www.nbc29.com/story/36198844/followup-to-sullivan-response-to-torch-lit-rally-at-uva-8-23-2017 Sullivan and university officials shouldn’t trust Nazis.

The warning you cited applied to the Saturday Rally, not the Friday night March on campus.

[b]I am a UVA alum. [/quote][/b]

And I was actually there.  You have no idea what was happening between the President's office, the local police, the UVA police and the governor's office.  Absolutely no idea. You should be ashamed of yourself for making such generalizations about the President of your alma mater who was doing everything in her power to clear the campus of faculty and the few students who were there.  If any fault is to be had, it was the UVA police who were confounded.  But, as has been noted, UVA is a public university so the Alt-right folks could march anywhere they pleased on campus.  And you sound ridiculous about "routes".  Even those who haven't gone to UVA know the lawn, the Rotunda.  There was no "special route".  Spencer wasn't talking to anyone.  That was the problem  The UVA police (not the President) were later criticized for not paying attention to messaging on social media and the deep dark web.  Having personally witnessed the event, I think UVA came off very well and fortunately the chaos moved away from the University the next day.  What is your real reason for attacking Sullivan?  She's leaving anyhow.  You have some agenda here.[/quote][/quote]

[b]Let's give President Sullivan the last words in this debate -

"Sullivan: I think it’s fair to say that we were overly trusting in this case. I think that’s right. Our police are trained to work with peaceful demonstrations. Our typical peaceful demonstration is a group of students. They’re trained to basically be there if anything gets out of hand, but that’s essentially, I believe, the mindset that we had going into this. And in retrospect, that wasn’t the right mindset."

Correct.  The UVA POLICE were caught unprepared not President Sullivan.   No one knew the size of the protest, the violence that would ensue or even about the tiki torches.  Now the state police and university police know they have to track messaging in chat groups and the deep dark web.  They had not been trained to do that.[/quote]

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