CogAT/Pool letter arrived

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:22182 and nothing yet.

Same here, 22182, nothing

The school sent out the letters yesterday. Hope to get them tomorrow. I’m so tired on checking and exhausted already

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. It is the best predictor of academic achievement- not IQ.

I know the Cogat is not an IQ test, but I thought it was supposed to generally approximate one. Are you saying it in no way approximates an IQ test?

I believe the correlation is .76

The committee is aware that only the WISC is an IQ Test. The county funded tests are not iq and do not equate to an iq Test. This is a very common misconception among FCPS parents. Only the WISC is an iq Test!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All COGAT subsections are viewed equally

Thanks. Do you also happen to know why the CogAT has more weight?

They weigh NNAT equally to the cogat! This is a fact. Lots of kids score higher on the cogat, though. It’s easier to prep for and the county knows this. But the aap selection cmte weighs them equally. Gbrs is the last piece they look at because it’s too subjective, so it’s weighted differently. A high cogat and a low nnat is a red flag! Be prepared to appeal with a strong WISC if you have only one high score on the nnat or cogat. Best candidates have high nnat and cogat.

Really? That directly contradicts what the AART said in the info session. It also isn't consistent with what people are reporting in the previous admissions threads. The NNAT just seems to reflect the nonverbal CogAT, which by my understanding is the least important of the CogAT subtests. Also, by my understanding, NNAT isn't weighted as heavily since it's less comprehensive than the CogAT, it's less recent than the CogAT, and it correlates to the least important of the CogAT subtests. This is corroborated by the admissions threads, in which nearly all of the in-pool rejections are kids with high NNAT and lower CogAT.

Anecdotally, it seems like CogAT Verbal > CogAT Quantitative > NNAT >= CogAT Nonverbal, unless the kid is ESOL, in which case NNAT is more heavily weighted. Likewise, for WISC, it seems like VCI and FRI > WMI and VSI > PSI for weighting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My twins: which one has a more chance or which one do I need to think about the appeals?

DS: NNAT 128 COGAT 135
DD: NNAT 138 COGAT 134

Both has good chance with high GBRS. Second one with higher probability

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No AART has ever said that the cogat is weighted higher. Utter nonsense

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No AART has ever said that the cogat is weighted higher. Utter nonsense

At our info session, the AART didn't really get into Cogat or NNAT scores or pool or anything like that. I think we're in one of the "uncompetitive" areas of Fairfax.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All COGAT subsections are viewed equally

Thanks. Do you also happen to know why the CogAT has more weight?

They weigh NNAT equally to the cogat! This is a fact. Lots of kids score higher on the cogat, though. It’s easier to prep for and the county knows this. But the aap selection cmte weighs them equally. Gbrs is the last piece they look at because it’s too subjective, so it’s weighted differently. A high cogat and a low nnat is a red flag! Be prepared to appeal with a strong WISC if you have only one high score on the nnat or cogat. Best candidates have high nnat and cogat.

Really? That directly contradicts what the AART said in the info session. It also isn't consistent with what people are reporting in the previous admissions threads. The NNAT just seems to reflect the nonverbal CogAT, which by my understanding is the least important of the CogAT subtests. Also, by my understanding, NNAT isn't weighted as heavily since it's less comprehensive than the CogAT, it's less recent than the CogAT, and it correlates to the least important of the CogAT subtests. This is corroborated by the admissions threads, in which nearly all of the in-pool rejections are kids with high NNAT and lower CogAT.

Anecdotally, it seems like CogAT Verbal > CogAT Quantitative > NNAT >= CogAT Nonverbal, unless the kid is ESOL, in which case NNAT is more heavily weighted. Likewise, for WISC, it seems like VCI and FRI > WMI and VSI > PSI for weighting.

Then why one needs to take NNAT2? Utter waste of tax payers money!! Everything said here is parents speculation! For every argument there is exactly opposite example where AAP admission is granted!

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Then why one needs to take NNAT2? Utter waste of tax payers money!! Everything said here is parents speculation! For every argument there is exactly opposite example where AAP admission is granted!

NNAT is less culturally biased and is intended to detect gifted children who are not native English speakers.

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Then why one needs to take NNAT2? Utter waste of tax payers money!! Everything said here is parents speculation! For every argument there is exactly opposite example where AAP admission is granted!

NNAT is less culturally biased and is intended to detect gifted children who are not native English speakers.

Doesn't Cogat non-verbal section same as NNAT2? Why administer to those kids who are native English speakers?

[Anonymous]

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Then why one needs to take NNAT2? Utter waste of tax payers money!! Everything said here is parents speculation! For every argument there is exactly opposite example where AAP admission is granted!

NNAT is less culturally biased and is intended to detect gifted children who are not native English speakers.

Which means that a high/higher NNAT than Cogat is still in pool.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My twins: which one has a more chance or which one do I need to think about the appeals?

DS: NNAT 128 COGAT 135
DD: NNAT 138 COGAT 134

Both has good chance with high GBRS. Second one with higher probability

Sorry, but what a stupid question. Which one has a more (better) chance? You're not able to determine which has higher scores in your own?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My twins: which one has a more chance or which one do I need to think about the appeals?

DS: NNAT 128 COGAT 135
DD: NNAT 138 COGAT 134

Both has good chance with high GBRS. Second one with higher probability

Sorry, but what a stupid question. Which one has a more (better) chance? You're not able to determine which has higher scores in your own?

One has a higher NNAT and the other has a higher COGAT. Either of those weighs more?

[Anonymous]

22043 cogat and pool letter arrived. 139 composite.

[Anonymous]

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Then why one needs to take NNAT2? Utter waste of tax payers money!! Everything said here is parents speculation! For every argument there is exactly opposite example where AAP admission is granted!

NNAT is less culturally biased and is intended to detect gifted children who are not native English speakers.

Which means that a high/higher NNAT than Cogat is still in pool.

So, to go back to how the tests are weighted, it ends up being something like this (from what I can gather from the threads):

High NNAT, high Cogat, high GBRS - in pool
High NNAT, low-ish Cogat, high GBRS - in pool
High NNAT, low-ish Cogat, low GBRS - Wisc/Appeal
Low NNAT, HIGH Cogat, high GBRS - likely in pool/appeal
Low NNAT, high cogat, low GBRS - appeal
Low NNAT, low cogat, high GBRS - WISC appeal

In all cases, the "weight" of the test is not mathematical. It's more like a decision tree.

If the child's NNAT is high, the decision is more likely that they will get in. If the child's NNAT is low, the Cogat has to be extremely high to compensate for the low NNAT, And even then, if you have a high cogat and a low GBRS, it raises red flags because it is more likely that the parents prepped.

The NNAT is really to measure intangibles early on in the testing round. The COGAT confirms. The GBRS is not testing but behavior based. This is super important-- the teachers are analyzing if your kid will be able to do the work involved in AAP. So even if your child is shy - if they are not self-starters in individual activities, they will struggle in AAP, and that's why a high GBRS helps. It's not whether or not you kid is smart, it's whether or not your kid can do things on their own.

And for the poster ranting about NNAT and taxpayer dollars: IMHO, having the NNAT is far less costly to our society than having a gifted student fall through the cracks due to losing the birth lottery.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Then why one needs to take NNAT2? Utter waste of tax payers money!! Everything said here is parents speculation! For every argument there is exactly opposite example where AAP admission is granted!

NNAT is less culturally biased and is intended to detect gifted children who are not native English speakers.

Which means that a high/higher NNAT than Cogat is still in pool.

So, to go back to how the tests are weighted, it ends up being something like this (from what I can gather from the threads):

High NNAT, high Cogat, high GBRS - in pool
High NNAT, low-ish Cogat, high GBRS - in pool
High NNAT, low-ish Cogat, low GBRS - Wisc/Appeal
Low NNAT, HIGH Cogat, high GBRS - likely in pool/appeal WRONG
Low NNAT, high cogat, low GBRS - appeal
Low NNAT, low cogat, high GBRS - WISC appeal

In all cases, the "weight" of the test is not mathematical. It's more like a decision tree.

If the child's NNAT is high, the decision is more likely that they will get in. WRONG If the child's NNAT is low, the Cogat has to be extremely high to compensate for the low NNAT, And even then, if you have a high cogat and a low GBRS, it raises red flags because it is more likely that the parents prepped. TOTAL GUESS

The NNAT is really to measure intangibles early on in the testing round. The COGAT confirms. The GBRS is not testing but behavior based. This is super important-- the teachers are analyzing if your kid will be able to do the work involved in AAP. (Gbrs isn't just determined by teachers) So even if your child is shy - if they are not self- starters in individual activities, they will struggle in AAP (bull-), and that's why a high GBRS helps. It's not whether or not you kid is smart, it's whether or not your kid can do things on their own. (No, it's really not)

And for the poster ranting about NNAT and taxpayer dollars: IMHO, having the NNAT is far less costly to our society than having a gifted student fall through the cracks due to losing the birth lottery.

You are really confused and shouldn't be posting because you're going to confuse others.