Spanking?

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Anonymous wrote:Oh god. So barbaric, and so low class. Literally one of the trashiest parenting moves out there. Not to mention sickening

What is actually low class is having kids who need to be spanked, and are entitled and tedious, yet their parents are so desperately trying to be UMC and enlightened that they don't discipline them.

In the actual upper classes, spanking is incredibly common.

How do you know this? Genuine question.

Having gone to boarding school, and having friends that had similar upbringings. We all got spanked. Most of us spank occasionally.

People who abandon their kids also hit them.

Insightful.

Oh please. My spouse went to an elite boarding school, is still close to parents, and wasn't spanked, but his friends who were spanked are fine.

np. On what occasion does it come up in conversation for your spouse's friends to discuss their childhood spankings?

Ha, good question. A couple classmates are from cultural backgrounds were spanking is pretty ubiquitous.

But really I take issue with the PP equating of boarding school with "abandoning" one's kids. But I guess that's an argument for a different thread.

Yes, that "abandoning" comment was both ridiculous and revealing of what kind of person you're dealing with here.

You mean these friends are Asian?

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Anonymous wrote:Why would you use violence on a defenseless child? It is horrible to even think about. I understand that many parents do it because they lack resources and don't know any better, but for an educated parent to do this is pretty inexcusable.

Life is violent. Kids are violent. Some kids don't respond to the modern forms of discipline. Some kids do actually need to be a bit fearful of authority.

My life is not violent. My kids are not violent. I'm not violent. We do not condone or practice any kind of violence in our home, including hitting as discipline.

Spanking is illegal in many countries. Legality doesn't make it right.

Sorry, but all of life is violent. Having so much when others have nothing - social violence. The struggle for resources is violent. The quest to succeed is violent. You can pretend not to be caught up in it, but we all are.

Do list all the countries where spanking is prosecuted.

Here's another link:

http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/parenting/news/a42208/france-banned-spanking/

They were all listed and then you (?) moved the goalposts saying that some people in those countries still spank. Lots of people do illegal things. Thus?

yes, I said PROSECUTED. Reading comprehension is key. No goalposts moved, just a failure to actually get them.

Cite your sources re prosecutions.

I never said anything about persecutions, because I don't know what the statistics are. I said that there are a lot of countries were spanking is illegal, and I provided a cite for that.

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*Prosecutions

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Anonymous wrote:Why would you use violence on a defenseless child? It is horrible to even think about. I understand that many parents do it because they lack resources and don't know any better, but for an educated parent to do this is pretty inexcusable.

Life is violent. Kids are violent. Some kids don't respond to the modern forms of discipline. Some kids do actually need to be a bit fearful of authority.

My life is not violent. My kids are not violent. I'm not violent. We do not condone or practice any kind of violence in our home, including hitting as discipline.

Spanking is illegal in many countries. Legality doesn't make it right.

Sorry, but all of life is violent. Having so much when others have nothing - social violence. The struggle for resources is violent. The quest to succeed is violent. You can pretend not to be caught up in it, but we all are.

Do list all the countries where spanking is prosecuted.

Here's another link:

http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/parenting/news/a42208/france-banned-spanking/

They were all listed and then you (?) moved the goalposts saying that some people in those countries still spank. Lots of people do illegal things. Thus?

yes, I said PROSECUTED. Reading comprehension is key. No goalposts moved, just a failure to actually get them.

Here's an article about a man prosecuted for spanking his son in France (actually before they made it per se illegal):

https://www.thelocal.fr/20131015/french-father-convicted-for-spanking-his-son

This article lists only one case that Sweden actually prosecuted, because they (being non-punitive) use the law to educate rather than punish. However, it was and can be prosecuted:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/swedens-rules-on-corporal-punishment-lead-the-way-1362630.html

In fact, I don't think, for the most part, it should be "prosecuted" in the way you intended. But the truth is that you moved the goalposts from the jump-- the PP said it was illegal in many countries and you responded to that by asking her to show where it was prosecuted-- two different arguments. You're saying, what? That if parents aren't jailed for spanking, it's okay?

Lady, you are an extreme literalist. Of course the type of spanking we are talking about is not and should not be prosecuted. Of course it should be and is illegal to abuse your child. It is not illegal and should not be prosecuted to smack your child's butt if they run out into the street.

If you can't understand the degrees or differences here, I simply cannot help you.

You are inviting "literalism" with your constant redefinitions and evasions.

Person #1: It's not right, and it's illegal in a lot of places.

You: Show me where ANYONE prosecutes it. (<-- bit of a non-sequitur)

Person #1/3: Here's a list of places it's illegal.

You: I said prosecuted! Not just illegal! Ha ha!

Person #3: Okay, maybe "prosecution" is not common, but here are some examples of it being prosecuted.

You: Well, here's a whole new argument-- you're a dumb dumb poopy head and don't understand the difference between abuse and "simply spanking," even though this whole exchange has been about countries where "simply spanking" is literally illegal and is occasionally prosecuted. Humph! I'm taking my goalpost and going home.

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Why are we talking about other countries?

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Anonymous wrote:Why would you use violence on a defenseless child? It is horrible to even think about. I understand that many parents do it because they lack resources and don't know any better, but for an educated parent to do this is pretty inexcusable.

Life is violent. Kids are violent. Some kids don't respond to the modern forms of discipline. Some kids do actually need to be a bit fearful of authority.

My life is not violent. My kids are not violent. I'm not violent. We do not condone or practice any kind of violence in our home, including hitting as discipline.

Spanking is illegal in many countries. Legality doesn't make it right.

Sorry, but all of life is violent. Having so much when others have nothing - social violence. The struggle for resources is violent. The quest to succeed is violent. You can pretend not to be caught up in it, but we all are.

Do list all the countries where spanking is prosecuted.

Here's another link:

http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/parenting/news/a42208/france-banned-spanking/

They were all listed and then you (?) moved the goalposts saying that some people in those countries still spank. Lots of people do illegal things. Thus?

yes, I said PROSECUTED. Reading comprehension is key. No goalposts moved, just a failure to actually get them.

Here's an article about a man prosecuted for spanking his son in France (actually before they made it per se illegal):

https://www.thelocal.fr/20131015/french-father-convicted-for-spanking-his-son

This article lists only one case that Sweden actually prosecuted, because they (being non-punitive) use the law to educate rather than punish. However, it was and can be prosecuted:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/swedens-rules-on-corporal-punishment-lead-the-way-1362630.html

In fact, I don't think, for the most part, it should be "prosecuted" in the way you intended. But the truth is that you moved the goalposts from the jump-- the PP said it was illegal in many countries and you responded to that by asking her to show where it was prosecuted-- two different arguments. You're saying, what? That if parents aren't jailed for spanking, it's okay?

Lady, you are an extreme literalist. Of course the type of spanking we are talking about is not and should not be prosecuted. Of course it should be and is illegal to abuse your child. It is not illegal and should not be prosecuted to smack your child's butt if they run out into the street.

If you can't understand the degrees or differences here, I simply cannot help you.

You are inviting "literalism" with your constant redefinitions and evasions.

Person #1: It's not right, and it's illegal in a lot of places.

You: Show me where ANYONE prosecutes it. (<-- bit of a non-sequitur)

Person #1/3: Here's a list of places it's illegal.

You: I said prosecuted! Not just illegal! Ha ha!

Person #3: Okay, maybe "prosecution" is not common, but here are some examples of it being prosecuted.

You: Well, here's a whole new argument-- you're a dumb dumb poopy head and don't understand the difference between abuse and "simply spanking," even though this whole exchange has been about countries where "simply spanking" is literally illegal and is occasionally prosecuted. Humph! I'm taking my goalpost and going home.

Oh, dear me. I really think you need a hobby. Maybe you can start a non-profit for all the UMC DCUM kids getting spanked on rare occasions who will no doubt turn to fist fighting, anxiety and being dicks on the sidelines.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we talking about other countries?

Because USA thinks they are the best and if another country does something better they get angry.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we talking about other countries?

Because USA thinks they are the best and if another country does something better they get angry.

I don't see them doing anything better. Other countries restrict women from driving, or people from practicing their chosen faith.

I'm still not sure why this veered into a discussion of other countries.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would you use violence on a defenseless child? It is horrible to even think about. I understand that many parents do it because they lack resources and don't know any better, but for an educated parent to do this is pretty inexcusable.

Life is violent. Kids are violent. Some kids don't respond to the modern forms of discipline. Some kids do actually need to be a bit fearful of authority.

My life is not violent. My kids are not violent. I'm not violent. We do not condone or practice any kind of violence in our home, including hitting as discipline.

Spanking is illegal in many countries. Legality doesn't make it right.

Sorry, but all of life is violent. Having so much when others have nothing - social violence. The struggle for resources is violent. The quest to succeed is violent. You can pretend not to be caught up in it, but we all are.

Do list all the countries where spanking is prosecuted.

Here's another link:

http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/parenting/news/a42208/france-banned-spanking/

They were all listed and then you (?) moved the goalposts saying that some people in those countries still spank. Lots of people do illegal things. Thus?

yes, I said PROSECUTED. Reading comprehension is key. No goalposts moved, just a failure to actually get them.

Here's an article about a man prosecuted for spanking his son in France (actually before they made it per se illegal):

https://www.thelocal.fr/20131015/french-father-convicted-for-spanking-his-son

This article lists only one case that Sweden actually prosecuted, because they (being non-punitive) use the law to educate rather than punish. However, it was and can be prosecuted:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/swedens-rules-on-corporal-punishment-lead-the-way-1362630.html

In fact, I don't think, for the most part, it should be "prosecuted" in the way you intended. But the truth is that you moved the goalposts from the jump-- the PP said it was illegal in many countries and you responded to that by asking her to show where it was prosecuted-- two different arguments. You're saying, what? That if parents aren't jailed for spanking, it's okay?

Lady, you are an extreme literalist. Of course the type of spanking we are talking about is not and should not be prosecuted. Of course it should be and is illegal to abuse your child. It is not illegal and should not be prosecuted to smack your child's butt if they run out into the street.

If you can't understand the degrees or differences here, I simply cannot help you.

You are inviting "literalism" with your constant redefinitions and evasions.

Person #1: It's not right, and it's illegal in a lot of places.

You: Show me where ANYONE prosecutes it. (<-- bit of a non-sequitur)

Person #1/3: Here's a list of places it's illegal.

You: I said prosecuted! Not just illegal! Ha ha!

Person #3: Okay, maybe "prosecution" is not common, but here are some examples of it being prosecuted.

You: Well, here's a whole new argument-- you're a dumb dumb poopy head and don't understand the difference between abuse and "simply spanking," even though this whole exchange has been about countries where "simply spanking" is literally illegal and is occasionally prosecuted. Humph! I'm taking my goalpost and going home.

Oh, dear me. I really think you need a hobby. Maybe you can start a non-profit for all the UMC DCUM kids getting spanked on rare occasions who will no doubt turn to fist fighting, anxiety and being dicks on the sidelines.

+1 LOL

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we talking about other countries?

Because USA thinks they are the best and if another country does something better they get angry.

Ah, no, not at all. Because one very insistent poster wants us all to know that what we are doing is illegal in France (?) and got super crazy when asked if it is actually prosecuted.

There are, of course, many stupid things that are illegal in the US that are not enforced.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we talking about other countries?

Because USA thinks they are the best and if another country does something better they get angry.

Ah, no, not at all. Because one very insistent poster wants us all to know that what we are doing is illegal in France (?) and got super crazy when asked if it is actually prosecuted.

There are, of course, many stupid things that are illegal in the US that are not enforced.

When some of you say "spanking," what exactly does that mean? It seems like everyone has different definitions of it.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we talking about other countries?

Because USA thinks they are the best and if another country does something better they get angry.

Ah, no, not at all. Because one very insistent poster wants us all to know that what we are doing is illegal in France (?) and got super crazy when asked if it is actually prosecuted.

There are, of course, many stupid things that are illegal in the US that are not enforced.

When some of you say "spanking," what exactly does that mean? It seems like everyone has different definitions of it.

OP has said that her H hit his child with the intention of inflicting pain. A swat may not hurt, but she specified that he hits him to hurt him not to get his attention.

We don't know what type of "misbehavior" rises to the need for physical pain.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would you use violence on a defenseless child? It is horrible to even think about. I understand that many parents do it because they lack resources and don't know any better, but for an educated parent to do this is pretty inexcusable.

Life is violent. Kids are violent. Some kids don't respond to the modern forms of discipline. Some kids do actually need to be a bit fearful of authority.

My life is not violent. My kids are not violent. I'm not violent. We do not condone or practice any kind of violence in our home, including hitting as discipline.

Spanking is illegal in many countries. Legality doesn't make it right.

I agree - of course the world is a violent place, but I can't relate to the PP's mindset. I've never been struck or otherwise physically harmed, nor have I ever struck or physically harmed another person.

You've NEVER been struck? Never fooled around, wrestling, slapped anyone or been slapped? Come on.

Not once in my life. I'm a 35-year-old woman. My DH played contact sports through college, and never was involved in any altercation outside the bounds of the sport. Never been in a fight nor was spanked as a child.

You guys are snowflakes.

What do you mean by snowflakes? Do you mean we are an extreme minority, or that we are delicate and weak? No one in either of our families hit children, that we know of. Also, we're pretty resilient, healthy adults who have been through a normal amount of life's hardships (illnesses, accidents, deaths, career setbacks, friendship and relationship troubles) and we're doing fine.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we talking about other countries?

Because USA thinks they are the best and if another country does something better they get angry.

Ah, no, not at all. Because one very insistent poster wants us all to know that what we are doing is illegal in France (?) and got super crazy when asked if it is actually prosecuted.

There are, of course, many stupid things that are illegal in the US that are not enforced.

When some of you say "spanking," what exactly does that mean? It seems like everyone has different definitions of it.

OP has said that her H hit his child with the intention of inflicting pain. A swat may not hurt, but she specified that he hits him to hurt him not to get his attention.

We don't know what type of "misbehavior" rises to the need for physical pain.

op here. Actually, I gave some examples of the misbehavior.

DH will briefly explain to DS why he's going to get spanked, and he will turn him over his knee and spank him maybe four or five times on the butt. DS cries, DH tells him that we expect better behavior. Over and done with.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we talking about other countries?

Because USA thinks they are the best and if another country does something better they get angry.

Ah, no, not at all. Because one very insistent poster wants us all to know that what we are doing is illegal in France (?) and got super crazy when asked if it is actually prosecuted.

There are, of course, many stupid things that are illegal in the US that are not enforced.

When some of you say "spanking," what exactly does that mean? It seems like everyone has different definitions of it.

OP has said that her H hit his child with the intention of inflicting pain. A swat may not hurt, but she specified that he hits him to hurt him not to get his attention.

We don't know what type of "misbehavior" rises to the need for physical pain.

op here. Actually, I gave some examples of the misbehavior.

DH will briefly explain to DS why he's going to get spanked, and he will turn him over his knee and spank him maybe four or five times on the butt. DS cries, DH tells him that we expect better behavior. Over and done with.

I can't find it. Can you post what your child is doing again.