Have you read "Framed" in the LA Times

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Anonymous wrote:I once heard a psychologist explain things this way. Sometimes a person is not completely grounded in reality but they marry a spouse who keeps everything together for them. Every so often, two people marry who are both not quite seeing the reality and then things can get a crazy. At the time, that psychologist was describing Randy Quaid and his crazy wife who together decided to leave the planet but forgot their bodies. I think that description might fit somewhat for the Easters where one of them should have said, "Stop. This is crazy." Especially after they filed the restraining order and the lawsuit against Peters. But if they both just kept chugging along, only seeing the world through their narcissistic glasses.

This also reminds me of that horrible case in San Francisco where two large dogs belonging to married lawyers got loose and killed a woman. The lawyers who owned the dogs went on to claim the dogs attacked her because she was a lesbian. Don't worry, they went to prison.

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Ah, gotta love those insane neighbors.

And that other lady that went wacko because she was outbid on her "dream house." I think that was in CA too!

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Personally , I think the real unsung heroes in this whole ordeal is the Irvine police department . This is precisely what the job of a police officer should be like , professional at all times , impartial , immune to individuals and their perceived socio economic statuses .

However , this being America I can't help it but think a minority woman wouldn't have benefited from the presumption of innocence, doubts, empathy and goodwill that Kelli Peters benefited from . You're welcome to prove me wrong

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Anonymous wrote:I read that yesterday! Holy crap it's crazy! Who would do that!? She's so lucky she is white.

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Yeah, that's what I was thinking, too. A white middle class person gets the benefit of the doubt.

Have you read the story? Both parties are white. One (the criminal) is much richer than the other. It has nothing to do with race.

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There's obviously some racist die-hards still around us

I don't know. Both parties are white but do you really think that if this had happened at an inner city LA school and the PTA volunteer was black and poor that the cop would have been looking for reasons to exonerate? I think that is PP's point. The woman being an older frail white woman living in Irvine is the primary reason the cop thought twice about it.

And I'm a white woman FWIW.

You may not know, but white women can be crazy too. Like the one who committed the crime depicted in the article. Or, apparently, like you.

Read the article and you'll see that...
1) The initial suspect fully cooperated with the police
2) She had zero, as in zero, previous felonies or crimes
3) Nothing in her house, exhaustively searched, supported the drug possession
4) The drug find was in itself very unusual
5) There were obvious red flags with the 911 call
6) Everyone in the school, who had been working with her for years, testified on her behalf

I am sure that, in the same circumstances 1 to 6, anyone black and poor would have been treated the same way.

Please, Stop the Racist BS.

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PP who keep bringing up race and trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. It is just speculation.

If this had happened between two black families or even one black victim in wealthy Newport Beach, you don't think the police would have taken it seriously?

Listen I posted one time without a remotely aggressive tone and the next pp calls me a crazy white woman and seems to imply I don't think white women can be crazy. Me thinks the ladies here doth protest too much.

The cops, the author and the DA all in the story made the exact same speculation that we're making. That Kelli was fortunate to be a white woman in an exceptionally safe low crime town; that, in and of itself, gave her credibility that a poor black woman in a rough neighborhood wouldn't be afforded. I'm not saying this case is about race, it isn't, but the way the case played out DOES provide an example of what white privilege means. As it is pointed out later in the story, the majority of officers, after ruling out Kelli Peters, at first couldn't believe that it was the wealthy white couple and instead thought it was the mentally challenged Asian man.

We get it. Stop derailing the thread.

NP. The thread isn't being detailed . The truth hurts doesn't it?

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Anonymous wrote:I read that yesterday! Holy crap it's crazy! Who would do that!? She's so lucky she is white.

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Yeah, that's what I was thinking, too. A white middle class person gets the benefit of the doubt.

Have you read the story? Both parties are white. One (the criminal) is much richer than the other. It has nothing to do with race.

+1.

There's obviously some racist die-hards still around us

I don't know. Both parties are white but do you really think that if this had happened at an inner city LA school and the PTA volunteer was black and poor that the cop would have been looking for reasons to exonerate? I think that is PP's point. The woman being an older frail white woman living in Irvine is the primary reason the cop thought twice about it.

And I'm a white woman FWIW.

You may not know, but white women can be crazy too. Like the one who committed the crime depicted in the article. Or, apparently, like you.

Read the article and you'll see that...
1) The initial suspect fully cooperated with the police
2) She had zero, as in zero, previous felonies or crimes
3) Nothing in her house, exhaustively searched, supported the drug possession
4) The drug find was in itself very unusual
5) There were obvious red flags with the 911 call
6) Everyone in the school, who had been working with her for years, testified on her behalf

I am sure that, in the same circumstances 1 to 6, anyone black and poor would have been treated the same way.

Please, Stop the Racist BS.

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PP who keep bringing up race and trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. It is just speculation.

If this had happened between two black families or even one black victim in wealthy Newport Beach, you don't think the police would have taken it seriously?

NP. I think you know the real answer . Stop being purposely disingenuous

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The paranoia and "perceived wrong" is what grabs my attention. This could have happened to anyone, had Jill wanted them in her sights!

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Anonymous wrote:I read the whole series - each day it was published. Besides PPs comments on this what "surprised" me what that the firefighter was described as so anti an affair/long term when he had been involved over 2 years. Also- firefighter's wife wasn't mentioned but she should have kicked him to the curb.

I thought about that too, but I'm betting he couldn't figure out a way to get away from her. It's reasonable to assume that she made some pretty convincing threats about what she'd do if he ended it.

And her verifiable craziness lent some truth to Kent Easter's defense that he was intimidated by her. It doesn't excuse his participation, especially considering he's a lawyer who could have determined a way to divorce her. But who would feel safe from that woman unless she was locked up? I feel sorry for their kids.

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I'm still not convinced this was all about the volunteer locking this kid out for 5 minutes and calling him "slow." There MUST be more to the motive, surely?? Even for this crazy woman?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still not convinced this was all about the volunteer locking this kid out for 5 minutes and calling him "slow." There MUST be more to the motive, surely?? Even for this crazy woman?

I think that's what makes the story so interesting. She really was just crazy. Recall that she had a penchant for revenge fantasy and it looks like she just picked someone who looked like an easy target. The weirder thing is that her husband went along with it.

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting. One thing that fascinated me is how the city devoted dozens of cops and so many law enforcement resources to looking into the planting of drugs. It felt like a different country from living in DC and the police responses we get here.

When are you leaving DC ? You twat . You've missed an opportunity to stay on topic .

Huh? What do you imagine the topic to be?

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Anonymous wrote: Personally , I think the real unsung heroes in this whole ordeal is the Irvine police department . This is precisely what the job of a police officer should be like , professional at all times , impartial , immune to individuals and their perceived socio economic statuses .

However , this being America I can't help it but think a minority woman wouldn't have benefited from the presumption of innocence, doubts, empathy and goodwill that Kelli Peters benefited from . You're welcome to prove me wrong

I disagree. I think the Irvine PD went on a relatively wild goose chase to prosecute the Easters. I think it's great that they immediately saw that PTA mom was framed and did not charge her. BUT, it seems like they expended a LOT of resources in getting the Easters and I don't think they were really worth it. Crazy, yes, but probably not all that harmful, especially since no one believed their stupid plant. Seems like much ado about very little.

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting. One thing that fascinated me is how the city devoted dozens of cops and so many law enforcement resources to looking into the planting of drugs. It felt like a different country from living in DC and the police responses we get here.

When are you leaving DC ? You twat . You've missed an opportunity to stay on topic .

Huh? What do you imagine the topic to be?

I believe the pp is a having a stroke, or perhaps has keyboard Tourette's.

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Anonymous wrote: Personally , I think the real unsung heroes in this whole ordeal is the Irvine police department . This is precisely what the job of a police officer should be like , professional at all times , impartial , immune to individuals and their perceived socio economic statuses .

However , this being America I can't help it but think a minority woman wouldn't have benefited from the presumption of innocence, doubts, empathy and goodwill that Kelli Peters benefited from . You're welcome to prove me wrong

I disagree. I think the Irvine PD went on a relatively wild goose chase to prosecute the Easters. I think it's great that they immediately saw that PTA mom was framed and did not charge her. BUT, it seems like they expended a LOT of resources in getting the Easters and I don't think they were really worth it. Crazy, yes, but probably not all that harmful, especially since no one believed their stupid plant. Seems like much ado about very little.

Except for the drugs and the little bags for distribution. That had to be something they wanted to get to the bottom of because it was a sign there was actual drug dealing going on.

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Anonymous wrote: Personally , I think the real unsung heroes in this whole ordeal is the Irvine police department . This is precisely what the job of a police officer should be like , professional at all times , impartial , immune to individuals and their perceived socio economic statuses .

However , this being America I can't help it but think a minority woman wouldn't have benefited from the presumption of innocence, doubts, empathy and goodwill that Kelli Peters benefited from . You're welcome to prove me wrong

I disagree. I think the Irvine PD went on a relatively wild goose chase to prosecute the Easters. I think it's great that they immediately saw that PTA mom was framed and did not charge her. BUT, it seems like they expended a LOT of resources in getting the Easters and I don't think they were really worth it. Crazy, yes, but probably not all that harmful, especially since no one believed their stupid plant. Seems like much ado about very little.

You've got to be kidding me , did you read the story or did you read and draw the conclusions that comfort you. Irvine isn't exactly a drug infested , violence ridden Appalachian town or major city . Drugs and violence don't run rampant there, at least based on official stats and the story says as much . Drugs are found in a woman's car, she knows they're not hers , she says so and informs the officer of her potential enemy . The officer had her go through preliminary drills and she checks all the boxes .Had the police officer not dealt with poise, temerity , and extreme professionalism Kelli peters life would have been destroyed forever . After all drugs in serious quantities were found in her car right ?


Police departments have wide latitude to allocate whatever amount of ressources to any case, as long as they exercise uncompromising professionalism ,your fixation on their response betrays an irreparable moral bankruptcy that puts high up there with the Easters . How could you possibly describe this as much ado about nothing ? I think that expression is better suited for the Easters whose delusional sense of self and outsize egos ultimately brought them down . I'm not sure your country you live in , but in this land called United states of America , planting narcotics in someone's property, making false claims against said individual isn't a minor offense . The ensuing debacle and fallout , including the loss of the republican husband's $400k/ year Job and $250k in legal fees prove that much . I sincerly suggest you work on your high tolerance level for such evil acts or else you'll be looking at a similar fate as the Easters, in pretty sure they never thought they'd end up in such disgraceful predicaments . Hopefully the husbands kept his UCLAJD1 vanity plate for old times sake .

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Anonymous wrote: Personally , I think the real unsung heroes in this whole ordeal is the Irvine police department . This is precisely what the job of a police officer should be like , professional at all times , impartial , immune to individuals and their perceived socio economic statuses .

However , this being America I can't help it but think a minority woman wouldn't have benefited from the presumption of innocence, doubts, empathy and goodwill that Kelli Peters benefited from . You're welcome to prove me wrong

I disagree. I think the Irvine PD went on a relatively wild goose chase to prosecute the Easters. I think it's great that they immediately saw that PTA mom was framed and did not charge her. BUT, it seems like they expended a LOT of resources in getting the Easters and I don't think they were really worth it. Crazy, yes, but probably not all that harmful, especially since no one believed their stupid plant. Seems like much ado about very little.

You've got to be kidding me , did you read the story or did you read and draw the conclusions that comfort you. Irvine isn't exactly a drug infested , violence ridden Appalachian town or major city . Drugs and violence don't run rampant there, at least based on official stats and the story says as much . Drugs are found in a woman's car, she knows they're not hers , she says so and informs the officer of her potential enemy . The officer had her go through preliminary drills and she checks all the boxes .Had the police officer not dealt with poise, temerity , and extreme professionalism Kelli peters life would have been destroyed forever . After all drugs in serious quantities were found in her car right ?


Police departments have wide latitude to allocate whatever amount of ressources to any case, as long as they exercise uncompromising professionalism ,your fixation on their response betrays an irreparable moral bankruptcy that puts high up there with the Easters . How could you possibly describe this as much ado about nothing ? I think that expression is better suited for the Easters whose delusional sense of self and outsize egos ultimately brought them down . I'm not sure your country you live in , but in this land called United states of America , planting narcotics in someone's property, making false claims against said individual isn't a minor offense . The ensuing debacle and fallout , including the loss of the republican husband's $400k/ year Job and $250k in legal fees prove that much . I sincerly suggest you work on your high tolerance level for such evil acts or else you'll be looking at a similar fate as the Easters, in pretty sure they never thought they'd end up in such disgraceful predicaments . Hopefully the husbands kept his UCLAJD1 vanity plate for old times sake .

Wow, that was a strong response. ITA that the police officer dealt with the situation incredibly well and think justice was served in that PTA mom was NOT prosecuted. But once the police decided not to prosecute PTA mom, it could have stopped there. I think they could have used their discretion to say that this was a petty dispute and left it alone. Or MAYBE charged the Easters with a misdemeanor. 15 cops investigating and years of litigation and two felony trials is more than this petty crime deserved. Murder rates are increasing in many places in the country (admittedly, probably not in Irvine). IMHO, police and proprietorial resources should be devoted to more serious/violent crimes.

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Anonymous wrote: Personally , I think the real unsung heroes in this whole ordeal is the Irvine police department . This is precisely what the job of a police officer should be like , professional at all times , impartial , immune to individuals and their perceived socio economic statuses .

However , this being America I can't help it but think a minority woman wouldn't have benefited from the presumption of innocence, doubts, empathy and goodwill that Kelli Peters benefited from . You're welcome to prove me wrong

I disagree. I think the Irvine PD went on a relatively wild goose chase to prosecute the Easters. I think it's great that they immediately saw that PTA mom was framed and did not charge her. BUT, it seems like they expended a LOT of resources in getting the Easters and I don't think they were really worth it. Crazy, yes, but probably not all that harmful, especially since no one believed their stupid plant. Seems like much ado about very little.

Disagree. I have seen cases like this, a fixated community member willing to lie about anything to get their way, for no reason - they might not like how you looked, or your smile, or your laugh, or your car, or your kids, or your house, or anything arbitrary; or it might be that they don't like the way that they or the other person is perceived in the community. Jill thought Kelli made her look bad (it wasn't difficult, apparently) - you name it. What if you were next? That is how arbitrary Jill was/is. Sometimes people's actions don't make sense, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be held accountable.