Have you read "Framed" in the LA Times

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Personally , I think the real unsung heroes in this whole ordeal is the Irvine police department . This is precisely what the job of a police officer should be like , professional at all times , impartial , immune to individuals and their perceived socio economic statuses .

However , this being America I can't help it but think a minority woman wouldn't have benefited from the presumption of innocence, doubts, empathy and goodwill that Kelli Peters benefited from . You're welcome to prove me wrong

I disagree. I think the Irvine PD went on a relatively wild goose chase to prosecute the Easters. I think it's great that they immediately saw that PTA mom was framed and did not charge her. BUT, it seems like they expended a LOT of resources in getting the Easters and I don't think they were really worth it. Crazy, yes, but probably not all that harmful, especially since no one believed their stupid plant. Seems like much ado about very little.

You've got to be kidding me , did you read the story or did you read and draw the conclusions that comfort you. Irvine isn't exactly a drug infested , violence ridden Appalachian town or major city . Drugs and violence don't run rampant there, at least based on official stats and the story says as much . Drugs are found in a woman's car, she knows they're not hers , she says so and informs the officer of her potential enemy . The officer had her go through preliminary drills and she checks all the boxes .Had the police officer not dealt with poise, temerity , and extreme professionalism Kelli peters life would have been destroyed forever . After all drugs in serious quantities were found in her car right ?


Police departments have wide latitude to allocate whatever amount of ressources to any case, as long as they exercise uncompromising professionalism ,your fixation on their response betrays an irreparable moral bankruptcy that puts high up there with the Easters . How could you possibly describe this as much ado about nothing ? I think that expression is better suited for the Easters whose delusional sense of self and outsize egos ultimately brought them down . I'm not sure your country you live in , but in this land called United states of America , planting narcotics in someone's property, making false claims against said individual isn't a minor offense . The ensuing debacle and fallout , including the loss of the republican husband's $400k/ year Job and $250k in legal fees prove that much . I sincerly suggest you work on your high tolerance level for such evil acts or else you'll be looking at a similar fate as the Easters, in pretty sure they never thought they'd end up in such disgraceful predicaments . Hopefully the husbands kept his UCLAJD1 vanity plate for old times sake .

+10000

No kidding. Who did the Easters think they were, that they thought they were above the law? PP who says otherwise, you are nuts. You think exactly like the Easters did! Goes to show you, there are more people like that in our neighborhoods than we want to believe. Wow. Just wow. No neighborhood lawyer was going to get the Easters out of the mess that *they created*, like it or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm still not convinced this was all about the volunteer locking this kid out for 5 minutes and calling him "slow." There MUST be more to the motive, surely?? Even for this crazy woman?

Look up narcissistic personality disorder, and antisocial personality disorder. Something went seriously wrong during her upbringing. Over indulged or neglected, probably generations of this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still not convinced this was all about the volunteer locking this kid out for 5 minutes and calling him "slow." There MUST be more to the motive, surely?? Even for this crazy woman?

Look up narcissistic personality disorder, and antisocial personality disorder. Something went seriously wrong during her upbringing. Over indulged or neglected, probably generations of this.

The article mentions the weird smile that never left Mrs. Easter's face during the initial incident with Kelli Peters. I can picture it, and it totally creeps me out. Total psycho.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still not convinced this was all about the volunteer locking this kid out for 5 minutes and calling him "slow." There MUST be more to the motive, surely?? Even for this crazy woman?

Look up narcissistic personality disorder, and antisocial personality disorder. Something went seriously wrong during her upbringing. Over indulged or neglected, probably generations of this.

+1. My mom has a less intense version of this. Or perhaps just has enough sane people in her life to keep her in check. She will frequently latch onto something small and blow it up to something completely insane. IE, she doesn't like one of my sib's SO's and calls me to tell me she thinks that sibling is in danger of being murdered by SO (real example!). Sib's SO is not that awesome but not a murderer. Basically whenever anything happens to her that she feels is unfair or wrong (and the definition of what constitutes that type of slight is extremely broad) she will latch on to some person involved either directly or on the periphery and attach a completely insane conspiracy theory to that person and sometimes think up crazy ways to expose them. But then we will talk her off the ledge.

I think when someone like this marries someone else like this is when it gets dangerous.

[Anonymous]

I would be thoroughly unsurprised if Jill tries to hire a hit man to kill Kent for the life insurance money, somehow believing that suspicion wouldn't attach itself to her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still not convinced this was all about the volunteer locking this kid out for 5 minutes and calling him "slow." There MUST be more to the motive, surely?? Even for this crazy woman?

Look up narcissistic personality disorder, and antisocial personality disorder. Something went seriously wrong during her upbringing. Over indulged or neglected, probably generations of this.

The article mentions the weird smile that never left Mrs. Easter's face during the initial incident with Kelli Peters. I can picture it, and it totally creeps me out. Total psycho.

+1

Yup. That sly, sideways smile. I've seen it. It is terrifying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still not convinced this was all about the volunteer locking this kid out for 5 minutes and calling him "slow." There MUST be more to the motive, surely?? Even for this crazy woman?

Look up narcissistic personality disorder, and antisocial personality disorder. Something went seriously wrong during her upbringing. Over indulged or neglected, probably generations of this.

+1. My mom has a less intense version of this. Or perhaps just has enough sane people in her life to keep her in check. She will frequently latch onto something small and blow it up to something completely insane. IE, she doesn't like one of my sib's SO's and calls me to tell me she thinks that sibling is in danger of being murdered by SO (real example!). Sib's SO is not that awesome but not a murderer. Basically whenever anything happens to her that she feels is unfair or wrong (and the definition of what constitutes that type of slight is extremely broad) she will latch on to some person involved either directly or on the periphery and attach a completely insane conspiracy theory to that person and sometimes think up crazy ways to expose them. But then we will talk her off the ledge.

I think when someone like this marries someone else like this is when it gets dangerous.

+10000

What happens if you are not there to talk her off the ledge? Has she ever been in a situation where people encouraged her?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Personally , I think the real unsung heroes in this whole ordeal is the Irvine police department . This is precisely what the job of a police officer should be like , professional at all times , impartial , immune to individuals and their perceived socio economic statuses .

However , this being America I can't help it but think a minority woman wouldn't have benefited from the presumption of innocence, doubts, empathy and goodwill that Kelli Peters benefited from . You're welcome to prove me wrong

I disagree. I think the Irvine PD went on a relatively wild goose chase to prosecute the Easters. I think it's great that they immediately saw that PTA mom was framed and did not charge her. BUT, it seems like they expended a LOT of resources in getting the Easters and I don't think they were really worth it. Crazy, yes, but probably not all that harmful, especially since no one believed their stupid plant. Seems like much ado about very little.

As PP noted, police departments have some latitude on how intensely pursue some cases. In this case, I have no doubt the hubris of the Easters played a big part of their desire to nail them. I'm sure they're superiority was clearly communicated to those they viewed as lower than themselves. That would include the police......Yeah, I'm sure it felt personal even to the police who found Kelli beliveable and relateable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Personally , I think the real unsung heroes in this whole ordeal is the Irvine police department . This is precisely what the job of a police officer should be like , professional at all times , impartial , immune to individuals and their perceived socio economic statuses .

However , this being America I can't help it but think a minority woman wouldn't have benefited from the presumption of innocence, doubts, empathy and goodwill that Kelli Peters benefited from . You're welcome to prove me wrong

I disagree. I think the Irvine PD went on a relatively wild goose chase to prosecute the Easters. I think it's great that they immediately saw that PTA mom was framed and did not charge her. BUT, it seems like they expended a LOT of resources in getting the Easters and I don't think they were really worth it. Crazy, yes, but probably not all that harmful, especially since no one believed their stupid plant. Seems like much ado about very little.

As PP noted, police departments have some latitude on how intensely pursue some cases. In this case, I have no doubt the hubris of the Easters played a big part of their desire to nail them. I'm sure they're superiority was clearly communicated to those they viewed as lower than themselves. That would include the police......Yeah, I'm sure it felt personal even to the police who found Kelli beliveable and relateable.

What if the Easters didn't give their names? What if the Easters (in pure criminal fashion, as when they made up the fliers they distributed and also concocted several false claims) had their friends call the police as well?

[Anonymous]

What if the Easters didn't give their names? What if the Easters (in pure criminal fashion, as when they made up the fliers they distributed and also concocted several false claims) had their friends call the police as well?

Are you looking for pointers on how the Easters could have done a better job of covering their tracks?

[Anonymous]

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What if the Easters didn't give their names? What if the Easters (in pure criminal fashion, as when they made up the fliers they distributed and also concocted several false claims) had their friends call the police as well?

Are you looking for pointers on how the Easters could have done a better job of covering their tracks?

No. I have seen people attempt false reports, so I am wondering about what drives deceitful people.

[Anonymous]

What if the Easters didn't give their names? What if the Easters (in pure criminal fashion, as when they made up the fliers they distributed and also concocted several false claims) had their friends call the police as well?

I didn't get a sense that the Easters had any friends. If they had, surely someone would have said you need to let this go. They don't seem like the kind of people who want to be around anyone who would modify their value system or try to put it in check.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

What if the Easters didn't give their names? What if the Easters (in pure criminal fashion, as when they made up the fliers they distributed and also concocted several false claims) had their friends call the police as well?

I didn't get a sense that the Easters had any friends. If they had, surely someone would have said you need to let this go. They don't seem like the kind of people who want to be around anyone who would modify their value system or try to put it in check.

+1

Exactly. All they need is someone as lowly as them - OR someone who wants to avoid their wrath. Better to let them think you're on their side, no? Even if it means filing false reports (for example)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What if the Easters didn't give their names? What if the Easters (in pure criminal fashion, as when they made up the fliers they distributed and also concocted several false claims) had their friends call the police as well?

Are you looking for pointers on how the Easters could have done a better job of covering their tracks?

No. I have seen people attempt false reports, so I am wondering about what drives deceitful people.

...but they DIDN'T call it in. He called and used a fake name and fake Indian accent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Personally , I think the real unsung heroes in this whole ordeal is the Irvine police department . This is precisely what the job of a police officer should be like , professional at all times , impartial , immune to individuals and their perceived socio economic statuses .

However , this being America I can't help it but think a minority woman wouldn't have benefited from the presumption of innocence, doubts, empathy and goodwill that Kelli Peters benefited from . You're welcome to prove me wrong

I disagree. I think the Irvine PD went on a relatively wild goose chase to prosecute the Easters. I think it's great that they immediately saw that PTA mom was framed and did not charge her. BUT, it seems like they expended a LOT of resources in getting the Easters and I don't think they were really worth it. Crazy, yes, but probably not all that harmful, especially since no one believed their stupid plant. Seems like much ado about very little.

You do realize the PTA mom could have lost custody of her kids, right? This couple was trying to ruin her life.

The reason the police had to devote so many resources is because the couple was almost bullet proof with their knowledge of the law, their money, and their legal connections. Without a lot of persistence on the part of the police, they would have gotten away scot free and then what? Reformed? Decided to change their ways? Who knows what they were capable of.