SCOTUS upholds college Affirmative Action

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Should I be concerned about proving anything to you or anyone else? I'm not.

However, I do recognize that if people don't believe me it's most likely because they don't want to believe me. A successful Black woman who has benefited from AA who embraces that fact. You want me to feel ashamed, and I don't. It also bothers you that I enjoy more material success than most of you posting here. If my arrogance offends you...too bad.

I think people have hard time understanding how you can live yourself knowing you didn't get where you are by your own merit.

New poster: First, I assume English is your second language from your diction so I thought I might fill you in about some American History. The Ivy league Universities (and most other colleges) were created for men born into a certain social class. Historically, there were no testing requirements for entry. There are still thousand of legacy, rich kids, and famous children attending elite schools because of their ancestors who would not be admitted based on their personal record. These same kids go onto elite jobs ot based on their record but their connection. Do you want them all to walk around embarrassed? Are you angry at the multi-generations of Kennedy, Rockefeller and Roosevelt Ivy leaguers? The kids of Fortune 100 company CEOs? At people who inherit money? Or is that all fine if they are white.

Please tell me why you think English is her second language . If it is , that would mean she's bilingual . Something many of you here can't say .

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Anonymous wrote:AA primarily benefits middle/upper class blacks -- and not necessarily African Americans. Poor African Americans (and poor whites, and other races) are still screwed. Where I work, most of the "blacks" are not even from the US; they are from various Caribbean islands or from Europe, but they still count as "black," and most come from fairly affluent backgrounds. These are the real beneficiaries of AA.

I would like to see AA improved to address these shortcomings, but since the most politically connected black folks are middle/upper middle class -- the main beneficiaries of AA -- there is little interest in fixing anything.

"Legacy" status is a red herring. There are a handful of super rich white kids that get in due to legacy, and their parents donations, but this is probably not even 1/10th of a percent of white students, and is obviously not significant enough to affect average SAT and GPA scores for their schools.

If large numbers of unqualified whites got in because of legacy status, then white SAT and GPA scores would be consistently low for the schools that they are admitted to. But school profiles consistently show blacks (and sometimes latinos) as having significantly lower scores than other races. This indicates that AA is far more of a factor than legacy status.

Caucasian women have been the largest beneficiary of AA. But facts means nothing to passive aggressive bigots with axes to grind

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't want my surgeon to necessarily have the highest SAT. I want them to be good, have sound judgment, a steady hand and the ability to adapt on the fly. SAT does not measure this.

Thank you

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No, the issue is that if you would discount the person in front of you based on statistics, that is YOUR issue - not mine. What I "truly believe" actually matters very little in the discussion. We are talking about opportunities - not about who you and I think is "smarter." I am just starting to think that this whole discussion is some Whites fighting for their right to be mediocre. Elite White students will be fine anywhere. It just seems that folks are fighting for people like Fisher, underachieving White students, to have the right to benefit the way they always have.

People are fighting for fairness.

One (1) Black person and 4 Hispanics were admitted to UT-Austin with lower scores than Fisher the year she was rejected. There were 42 whites who were admitted that same year with lower scores than Fisher. Her lawsuit only focused on the 5 minorities with lower scores. Tell me again about how "[white] people are fighting for fairness."

This thread, at this point, is about AAction in general, not specifics of Fisher case.

BTW, no need to roll your eyes.

I still haven't seen any of you "Champions of Fairness" address the fact that 42 white students with lower scores were admitted to UT the same year Abby was rejected. Were these white students somehow (STILL) more deserving than the 1 Black and 4 Hispanic students? What case does Abby have against the white students? I'll wait for your explanation.

I'm still waiting.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't want my surgeon to necessarily have the highest SAT. I want them to be good, have sound judgment, a steady hand and the ability to adapt on the fly. SAT does not measure this.

Thank you

Those are all good attributes. But, most importantly, I want my surgeon to have the knowledge necessary to perform the surgery. I don't want a doctor who got there based on color of his skin.

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I'm still waiting.

Maybe you should get back to work if you have a job.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for the anti-AA posters: Do you have the same disdain for college admission criteria that benefit predominantly non-minority students, like legacies? Probably not, as it is a benefit that either you or someone in your family has/will take advantage of. I understand, bash AA because it does not benefit you. But honestly have you ever looked down on someone's achievements because they are a legacy?

First, AA does benefit their wives, daughters and nieces .studies are there to prove it . Second , I agree with your point about the legacies ( George bush anyone ?) but it's all good because he's a WASP right? This is one of those issues where folks can't help it but 'out' themselves . The hood gets too hot sometimes ya know ?

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I'm still waiting.

Maybe you should get back to work if you have a job.

You first.

I noticed that you did NOT copy the part about what I'm waiting for...convenient. I'm sure you have an answer though, so please let's hear it.

[Anonymous]

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I'm still waiting.

Maybe you should get back to work if you have a job.

You first.

I noticed that you did NOT copy the part about what I'm waiting for...convenient. I'm sure you have an answer though, so please let's hear it.

Sorry but I have no clue what you are waiting for or talking about. Keep on waiting thou. I got stuff to do.

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I'm still waiting.

Maybe you should get back to work if you have a job.

You first.

I noticed that you did NOT copy the part about what I'm waiting for...convenient. I'm sure you have an answer though, so please let's hear it.

Sorry but I have no clue what you are waiting for or talking about. Keep on waiting thou. I got stuff to do.

Sure you do.

I still haven't seen any of you "Champions of Fairness" address the fact that 42 white students with lower scores were admitted to UT the same year Abby was rejected. Were these white students somehow (STILL) more deserving than the 1 Black and 4 Hispanic students? What case does Abby have against the white students? I'll wait for your explanation.

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^ post their profile/stats and i can tell you why. that's no rocket science.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^ post their profile/stats and i can tell you why. that's no rocket science.

I just gave you their profile: The 42 white students ALL had lower scores than Abby Fisher. You have no problem opining about why non-white students are admitted with lower scores (without knowing anything else about their "profile" ). So please tell me why these white students were admitted with lower scores than Abby. Why shouldn't she sue over that? I mean, they did take "her" seat after all.

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Anonymous wrote:^ post their profile/stats and i can tell you why. that's no rocket science.

I just gave you their profile: The 42 white students ALL had lower scores than Abby Fisher. You have no problem opining about why non-white students are admitted with lower scores (without knowing anything else about their "profile" ). So please tell me why these white students were admitted with lower scores than Abby. Why shouldn't she sue over that? I mean, they did take "her" seat after all.

I don't consider your blanket statement their profile. Maybe they were in top 10% of their class even with lower scores. Give me applicant by applicant profile of gender, GPA, test scores, any hooks, % of class, ECs. Now, go get it. You can do it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ post their profile/stats and i can tell you why. that's no rocket science.

I just gave you their profile: The 42 white students ALL had lower scores than Abby Fisher. You have no problem opining about why non-white students are admitted with lower scores (without knowing anything else about their "profile" ). So please tell me why these white students were admitted with lower scores than Abby. Why shouldn't she sue over that? I mean, they did take "her" seat after all.

I don't consider your blanket statement their profile. Maybe they were in top 10% of their class even with lower scores. Give me applicant by applicant profile of gender, GPA, test scores, any hooks, % of class, ECs. Now, go get it. You can do it.

The top 10% were already admitted (that's based on grades, not SAT/ACT scores). Abby and the 42 white students with lower scores who were admitted did NOT graduate in the 10% of their class. They were considered in a different pool.

Just as I suspected...you have nothing but excuses for this pathetic lawsuit. You cannot defend the indefensible. You and Abby are both mediocre.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't want my surgeon to necessarily have the highest SAT. I want them to be good, have sound judgment, a steady hand and the ability to adapt on the fly. SAT does not measure this.

Thank you

Those are all good attributes. But, most importantly, I want my surgeon to have the knowledge necessary to perform the surgery. I don't want a doctor who got there based on color of his skin.

Nobody becomes a doctor based on their skin color . Insinuating such a thing says a lot about you. We're talking about medicine here. Go grind your axe somewhere else