SCOTUS upholds college Affirmative Action

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When we white people become a minority, the affirmative action laws will work in our favor. The affirmative action laws are merely pre-emptive legislation to allow whites to be able to get a job and go to school in a non-white world.

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Anonymous wrote:When we white people become a minority, the affirmative action laws will work in our favor. The affirmative action laws are merely pre-emptive legislation to allow whites to be able to get a job and go to school in a non-white world.

cool story bro.

on dcum you can be anybody, any color.

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Anonymous wrote:Terrible decisision. This shows us how awful Scalias death( or maybe murder) was. It doesn't really matter though. You can admit URMs with lower grades and SATs who don't deserve admission all you want, and you can even give them top jobs. However, at the end of the day, they will be outperformed by those who are intellectually superior to them. It's sad that minorities want "equality", but then demand special prviliagrs. It actually says something pretty bad about URMs if they can't succeed without affirmative action.College admissions should be based solely on GPA, SAT, ECs, and recommendations. At least the SCOTUS got the important decision on illegal immigration right.

But imagine what would happen w/o AAction. There will be almost no blacks in top 200 colleges. Maybe SCOTUS thought URMs could use extra help.

Well now we won't have to find out, racist troll. Lol!

I doubt it will help much though. It hasn't in the past. So, nothing new here. At some point, you gotta get yourself going without mama holding your hand, bud.

It's helped my family quite a bit--and I consider it a small step towards compensating my family for the stolen labor of my ancestors. I can guarantee you that we have a higher HHI than you, and live in a nicer neighborhood (one of the best). Despite our excellent public schools, our children attend one of the best private schools in DC, with all the EC bells and whistles. Oh, my children will also attend better universities than your children. I'm also positive that AA didn't take the bar and pass it on the first try for me either.

One more thing: You cannot possibly make me feel bad about being the recipient of AA at some point or another in my life. I would feel bad about being the recipient of unearned white privilege (you, Fisher and the rest of your ilk) who cannot even get into UT-Austin (!) WITH legacy status (you know, the type of AA action whites like you like and defend). UT didn't even admit its first Black student until the mid-1950s. Fisher should feel embarrassed by her sheer mediocrity...to say nothing of her Peppermint Patty looks.

You don't need to feel bad. Like lottery winners, enjoy what you got. Let me guess, you now live in a white predominant community and your kids go to schools predominantly white. That's what AA has achieved so far: help the already better off minorities achieve greater personal gains. change the black culture? no way! The winners can't wait to escape the black community. You can boast all you've achieved, but you can never prove you can achieve the same without AA, thus your college degree and your kids' will always be discounted by many.

Another PP here. Let me just inform a lot of you who like to throw the bolded part around. Well, maybe I will just ask - why should I give a darn about what you think about my success or whether you "discount" my achievements? If I am sitting next to you in the boardroom making the same money you are and my kids are sitting next to yours in lecture halls at Elite U, I do not give a rat's ass whether you or anyone else is "discounting" my achievements. That's your weakness and I will not make it mine. Sorry. If you are worried about HOW I got here, I am already a step ahead. BLL still had to produce to become a partner - why does it matter how she got her foot in the door? Do you think her partners think about that if she is bringing in clients and revenue? I am a SVP in sales and the division I supervise has led the company in production 4 years in a row. Do you think my CEO cares about how I got an opportunity as a college freshman if I am bringing in millions annually now. So even if we did benefit from AffAc, we certainly had to bring something to the table to get this far. We had to produce dealing with folks like you who would "discount" someone with the same (or more) achievements than you.

I hear you.! you truly deserve where are you now! But given your solid education background, I assume you can understand the difference between individual samples and statistics. Or maybe you truly believe that African Americans are generally smarter and more capable even with poor academic performances and lower admission criteria.

No, the issue is that if you would discount the person in front of you based on statistics, that is YOUR issue - not mine. What I "truly believe" actually matters very little in the discussion. We are talking about opportunities - not about who you and I think is "smarter." I am just starting to think that this whole discussion is some Whites fighting for their right to be mediocre. Elite White students will be fine anywhere. It just seems that folks are fighting for people like Fisher, underachieving White students, to have the right to benefit the way they always have.

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No, the issue is that if you would discount the person in front of you based on statistics, that is YOUR issue - not mine. What I "truly believe" actually matters very little in the discussion. We are talking about opportunities - not about who you and I think is "smarter." I am just starting to think that this whole discussion is some Whites fighting for their right to be mediocre. Elite White students will be fine anywhere. It just seems that folks are fighting for people like Fisher, underachieving White students, to have the right to benefit the way they always have.

People are fighting for fairness.

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No, the issue is that if you would discount the person in front of you based on statistics, that is YOUR issue - not mine. What I "truly believe" actually matters very little in the discussion. We are talking about opportunities - not about who you and I think is "smarter." I am just starting to think that this whole discussion is some Whites fighting for their right to be mediocre. Elite White students will be fine anywhere. It just seems that folks are fighting for people like Fisher, underachieving White students, to have the right to benefit the way they always have.

People are fighting for fairness.

One (1) Black person and 4 Hispanics were admitted to UT-Austin with lower scores than Fisher the year she was rejected. There were 42 whites who were admitted that same year with lower scores than Fisher. Her lawsuit only focused on the 5 minorities with lower scores. Tell me again about how "[white] people are fighting for fairness."

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No, the issue is that if you would discount the person in front of you based on statistics, that is YOUR issue - not mine. What I "truly believe" actually matters very little in the discussion. We are talking about opportunities - not about who you and I think is "smarter." I am just starting to think that this whole discussion is some Whites fighting for their right to be mediocre. Elite White students will be fine anywhere. It just seems that folks are fighting for people like Fisher, underachieving White students, to have the right to benefit the way they always have.

People are fighting for fairness.

One (1) Black person and 4 Hispanics were admitted to UT-Austin with lower scores than Fisher the year she was rejected. There were 42 whites who were admitted that same year with lower scores than Fisher. Her lawsuit only focused on the 5 minorities with lower scores. Tell me again about how "[white] people are fighting for fairness."

This thread, at this point, is about AAction in general, not specifics of Fisher case.

BTW, no need to roll your eyes.

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No, the issue is that if you would discount the person in front of you based on statistics, that is YOUR issue - not mine. What I "truly believe" actually matters very little in the discussion. We are talking about opportunities - not about who you and I think is "smarter." I am just starting to think that this whole discussion is some Whites fighting for their right to be mediocre. Elite White students will be fine anywhere. It just seems that folks are fighting for people like Fisher, underachieving White students, to have the right to benefit the way they always have.

People are fighting for fairness.

One (1) Black person and 4 Hispanics were admitted to UT-Austin with lower scores than Fisher the year she was rejected. There were 42 whites who were admitted that same year with lower scores than Fisher. Her lawsuit only focused on the 5 minorities with lower scores. Tell me again about how "[white] people are fighting for fairness."

Give me a break. Without the whites who fought for fairness, you think you can enjoy AA today? You think you would have been better off if your ancestors were never been slaved? BTW, don't need to mention your ivy league degree and law firm partnership, again and again. Why is it such a big deal?

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No, the issue is that if you would discount the person in front of you based on statistics, that is YOUR issue - not mine. What I "truly believe" actually matters very little in the discussion. We are talking about opportunities - not about who you and I think is "smarter." I am just starting to think that this whole discussion is some Whites fighting for their right to be mediocre. Elite White students will be fine anywhere. It just seems that folks are fighting for people like Fisher, underachieving White students, to have the right to benefit the way they always have.

People are fighting for fairness.

One (1) Black person and 4 Hispanics were admitted to UT-Austin with lower scores than Fisher the year she was rejected. There were 42 whites who were admitted that same year with lower scores than Fisher. Her lawsuit only focused on the 5 minorities with lower scores. Tell me again about how "[white] people are fighting for fairness."

This thread, at this point, is about AAction in general, not specifics of Fisher case.

BTW, no need to roll your eyes.

Read the title of the thread. It's still about the Fisher case (as much as you would like to pivot away from talking about her mediocrity). You don't get to change the topic when it suits you; and you don't instruct me about eye rolling.

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No, the issue is that if you would discount the person in front of you based on statistics, that is YOUR issue - not mine. What I "truly believe" actually matters very little in the discussion. We are talking about opportunities - not about who you and I think is "smarter." I am just starting to think that this whole discussion is some Whites fighting for their right to be mediocre. Elite White students will be fine anywhere. It just seems that folks are fighting for people like Fisher, underachieving White students, to have the right to benefit the way they always have.

People are fighting for fairness.

One (1) Black person and 4 Hispanics were admitted to UT-Austin with lower scores than Fisher the year she was rejected. There were 42 whites who were admitted that same year with lower scores than Fisher. Her lawsuit only focused on the 5 minorities with lower scores. Tell me again about how "[white] people are fighting for fairness."

This thread, at this point, is about AAction in general, not specifics of Fisher case.

BTW, no need to roll your eyes.

Read the title of the thread. It's still about the Fisher case (as much as you would like to pivot away from talking about her mediocrity). You don't get to change the topic when it suits you; and you don't instruct me about eye rolling.

Are you new to DCUM? Don't you know once the thread is started, it goes where it goes??

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No, the issue is that if you would discount the person in front of you based on statistics, that is YOUR issue - not mine. What I "truly believe" actually matters very little in the discussion. We are talking about opportunities - not about who you and I think is "smarter." I am just starting to think that this whole discussion is some Whites fighting for their right to be mediocre. Elite White students will be fine anywhere. It just seems that folks are fighting for people like Fisher, underachieving White students, to have the right to benefit the way they always have.

People are fighting for fairness.

One (1) Black person and 4 Hispanics were admitted to UT-Austin with lower scores than Fisher the year she was rejected. There were 42 whites who were admitted that same year with lower scores than Fisher. Her lawsuit only focused on the 5 minorities with lower scores. Tell me again about how "[white] people are fighting for fairness."

Give me a break. Without the whites who fought for fairness, you think you can enjoy AA today? You think you would have been better off if your ancestors were never been slaved? BTW, don't need to mention your ivy league degree and law firm partnership, again and again. Why is it such a big deal?

Is that what you and your fellow Klan members tell each other at meetings? You are so ignorant that you know nothing of the educated and successful Africans...living in African countries who were never enslaved. Despite what you've been told, everyone in Africa isn't poor.

Btw, do you think you would have been better off if your ancestors hadn't left the old country for the U.S.? If life was so good in the old country for your people, they would not have left.

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No, the issue is that if you would discount the person in front of you based on statistics, that is YOUR issue - not mine. What I "truly believe" actually matters very little in the discussion. We are talking about opportunities - not about who you and I think is "smarter." I am just starting to think that this whole discussion is some Whites fighting for their right to be mediocre. Elite White students will be fine anywhere. It just seems that folks are fighting for people like Fisher, underachieving White students, to have the right to benefit the way they always have.

People are fighting for fairness.

One (1) Black person and 4 Hispanics were admitted to UT-Austin with lower scores than Fisher the year she was rejected. There were 42 whites who were admitted that same year with lower scores than Fisher. Her lawsuit only focused on the 5 minorities with lower scores. Tell me again about how "[white] people are fighting for fairness."

This thread, at this point, is about AAction in general, not specifics of Fisher case.

BTW, no need to roll your eyes.

Read the title of the thread. It's still about the Fisher case (as much as you would like to pivot away from talking about her mediocrity). You don't get to change the topic when it suits you; and you don't instruct me about eye rolling.

Are you new to DCUM? Don't you know once the thread is started, it goes where it goes??

And I'll keep bringing it back to the pale pasty albatross around the necks of those claiming to fight for fairness: Abby Fisher. You own that mess.

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No, the issue is that if you would discount the person in front of you based on statistics, that is YOUR issue - not mine. What I "truly believe" actually matters very little in the discussion. We are talking about opportunities - not about who you and I think is "smarter." I am just starting to think that this whole discussion is some Whites fighting for their right to be mediocre. Elite White students will be fine anywhere. It just seems that folks are fighting for people like Fisher, underachieving White students, to have the right to benefit the way they always have.

People are fighting for fairness.

One (1) Black person and 4 Hispanics were admitted to UT-Austin with lower scores than Fisher the year she was rejected. There were 42 whites who were admitted that same year with lower scores than Fisher. Her lawsuit only focused on the 5 minorities with lower scores. Tell me again about how "[white] people are fighting for fairness."

This thread, at this point, is about AAction in general, not specifics of Fisher case.

BTW, no need to roll your eyes.

I still haven't seen any of you "Champions of Fairness" address the fact that 42 white students with lower scores were admitted to UT the same year Abby was rejected. Were these white students somehow (STILL) more deserving than the 1 Black and 4 Hispanic students? What case does Abby have against the white students? I'll wait for your explanation.

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Anonymous wrote:Terrible decisision. This shows us how awful Scalias death( or maybe murder) was. It doesn't really matter though. You can admit URMs with lower grades and SATs who don't deserve admission all you want, and you can even give them top jobs. However, at the end of the day, they will be outperformed by those who are intellectually superior to them. It's sad that minorities want "equality", but then demand special prviliagrs. It actually says something pretty bad about URMs if they can't succeed without affirmative action.College admissions should be based solely on GPA, SAT, ECs, and recommendations. At least the SCOTUS got the important decision on illegal immigration right.

But imagine what would happen w/o AAction. There will be almost no blacks in top 200 colleges. Maybe SCOTUS thought URMs could use extra help.

Well now we won't have to find out, racist troll. Lol!

I doubt it will help much though. It hasn't in the past. So, nothing new here. At some point, you gotta get yourself going without mama holding your hand, bud.

It's helped my family quite a bit--and I consider it a small step towards compensating my family for the stolen labor of my ancestors. I can guarantee you that we have a higher HHI than you, and live in a nicer neighborhood (one of the best). Despite our excellent public schools, our children attend one of the best private schools in DC, with all the EC bells and whistles. Oh, my children will also attend better universities than your children. I'm also positive that AA didn't take the bar and pass it on the first try for me either.

One more thing: You cannot possibly make me feel bad about being the recipient of AA at some point or another in my life. I would feel bad about being the recipient of unearned white privilege (you, Fisher and the rest of your ilk) who cannot even get into UT-Austin (!) WITH legacy status (you know, the type of AA action whites like you like and defend). UT didn't even admit its first Black student until the mid-1950s. Fisher should feel embarrassed by her sheer mediocrity...to say nothing of her Peppermint Patty looks.

Wow, passing the bar the first time. You must be a terrific lawyer. So I'm sure you could inform all of us of the many other circumstances in which individuals can obtain "payback" for wrongs that occurred to their ancestors several generations ago (do you even know the names of these people whose work you believe you should have profited from?). I agreed with supporting equal access for all equally qualified applicants (and yes, with a holistic approach that may take race and other factors into account). But payback? When does it end? And font you realize that this country is made up of people from all over the world, many, many of whom likewise have ancestors who have suffered atrocities?

Jews are getting reparations ....so...!

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Should I be concerned about proving anything to you or anyone else? I'm not.

However, I do recognize that if people don't believe me it's most likely because they don't want to believe me. A successful Black woman who has benefited from AA who embraces that fact. You want me to feel ashamed, and I don't. It also bothers you that I enjoy more material success than most of you posting here. If my arrogance offends you...too bad.

I think people have hard time understanding how you can live yourself knowing you didn't get where you are by your own merit.

Actually, I'm here primarily because of my merit. Despite the Middle Passage, brutal enslavement/stolen labor, Jim Crow and the separate but VERY unequal opportunities my family/ancestors have dealt with for centuries. Everything I have has been earned (by me or my ancestors) whether you want to acknowledge it or not. I have achieved conventional success (academic, career and familial) that most people in this country can only dream about, and I do not have any of the unearned benefits of white privilege.

You and your ancestors endured none of the aforementioned atrocities. So a better question is: How can you live with yourself knowing you didn't get where you are by your own merit?

That's a funny one. You can't have both ways you know?

Different pp here. You didn't answer the question

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Should I be concerned about proving anything to you or anyone else? I'm not.

However, I do recognize that if people don't believe me it's most likely because they don't want to believe me. A successful Black woman who has benefited from AA who embraces that fact. You want me to feel ashamed, and I don't. It also bothers you that I enjoy more material success than most of you posting here. If my arrogance offends you...too bad.

I think people have hard time understanding how you can live yourself knowing you didn't get where you are by your own merit.

Actually, I'm here primarily because of my merit. Despite the Middle Passage, brutal enslavement/stolen labor, Jim Crow and the separate but VERY unequal opportunities my family/ancestors have dealt with for centuries. Everything I have has been earned (by me or my ancestors) whether you want to acknowledge it or not. I have achieved conventional success (academic, career and familial) that most people in this country can only dream about, and I do not have any of the unearned benefits of white privilege.

You and your ancestors endured none of the aforementioned atrocities. So a better question is: How can you live with yourself knowing you didn't get where you are by your own merit?

That's a funny one. You can't have both ways you know?

Different pp here. You didn't answer the question

NP-Look it up. Asked and answered.