SCOTUS upholds college Affirmative Action

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who thinks URMs don't get huge bumps at ivies is kidding themselves. Further more, admissions spots are fungible so to the poster that says that Asians compete against other Asians and whites only for spots means there is a de facto URM target enrollment quota that schools aim for every year.

The reason why I know URMs get a huge bump is because I posted before how my company asks for standardized test scores and transcripts from UG and MBA a

I'm the poster you referred to. Of course there is a target URM enrollment. There is also a target legacy, sports, merit, etc. If there was no affirmative action, the number of URM's would decrease to about 3% black and 4% Hispanic at most top 20 schools. However, this doesn't mean the number of Asian students would significantly increase to make up the difference. I guarantee that the number of white students would be proportionally higher. I have set on committees where it was clearly stated that no group should be over represented. Everyone in the room knows what that means.

+100000. I know that investment banks ask about scores and grades. However, most companies don't. I actually went into investment banking after law school and no one asked.

IB's have programs that target URMs

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OMG, so of you just do not read or you just do not understand the issue. Fisher was not in the 10% pool and her scores were middle of the road. She was NOT an exceptional student within her own pool. There were 42 White people with LOWER scores. Sure, they made have had some kickass EC's - just like the minority students may have. There were minority students with HIGHER scores who did NOT get in. If your DS's roommate is as smart as you say, I doubt his scores were as mediocre as hers. This case is not about a private SLAC - which has a lot more flexibility in admitting people and giving merit aid. This is about a flagship state university that admits very few in-state freshmen outside the 10%. Even looked at under the BEST light, UT was a pipe dream for her.

+1 That is why the kids call her "Becky with the bad grades" with a tip of the hat to Beyonce.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who thinks URMs don't get huge bumps at ivies is kidding themselves. Further more, admissions spots are fungible so to the poster that says that Asians compete against other Asians and whites only for spots means there is a de facto URM target enrollment quota that schools aim for every year.

The reason why I know URMs get a huge bump is because I posted before how my company asks for standardized test scores and transcripts from UG and MBA a

I'm the poster you referred to. Of course there is a target URM enrollment. There is also a target legacy, sports, merit, etc. If there was no affirmative action, the number of URM's would decrease to about 3% black and 4% Hispanic at most top 20 schools. However, this doesn't mean the number of Asian students would significantly increase to make up the difference. I guarantee that the number of white students would be proportionally higher. I have set on committees where it was clearly stated that no group should be over represented. Everyone in the room knows what that means.

+100000. I know that investment banks ask about scores and grades. However, most companies don't. I actually went into investment banking after law school and no one asked.

IB's have programs that target URMs

That may be true, but I know students from my HBCU who went to Goldman and they had to give their SAT scores b/f they got the offer. I went in mid-career so no one asked.

[Anonymous]

"It’s sad that this is what elite-college admissions have come to: a soul-deadening process that encourages students to distort their identities solely for the sake of getting in. But the rampant racism to which these pointers allude, if real, is even sadder. According to some activists, brilliant, accomplished, and well-rounded Asian students are consigned to gaming a system that’s rigged against them. Either that, or they have to prove themselves extra brilliant, extra accomplished, and extra well-rounded to ensure they’re on equal footing with non-Asian applicants.

The premise is that affirmative action enables colleges and universities to discriminate against Asian applicants simply because there are so many of them on campus already."

http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/06/asian-americans-and-the-future-of-affirmative-action/489023/?utm_source=yahoo&yptr=yahoo

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Not just affirmative action but legacy, development and athletic admits

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OMG, so of you just do not read or you just do not understand the issue. Fisher was not in the 10% pool and her scores were middle of the road. She was NOT an exceptional student within her own pool. There were 42 White people with LOWER scores. Sure, they made have had some kickass EC's - just like the minority students may have. There were minority students with HIGHER scores who did NOT get in. If your DS's roommate is as smart as you say, I doubt his scores were as mediocre as hers. This case is not about a private SLAC - which has a lot more flexibility in admitting people and giving merit aid. This is about a flagship state university that admits very few in-state freshmen outside the 10%. Even looked at under the BEST light, UT was a pipe dream for her.

+1 That is why the kids call her "Becky with the bad grades" with a tip of the hat to Beyonce.

I thought her name was Abigail. Is "Becky" a racist term?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who thinks URMs don't get huge bumps at ivies is kidding themselves. Further more, admissions spots are fungible so to the poster that says that Asians compete against other Asians and whites only for spots means there is a de facto URM target enrollment quota that schools aim for every year.

The reason why I know URMs get a huge bump is because I posted before how my company asks for standardized test scores and transcripts from UG and MBA a

I'm the poster you referred to. Of course there is a target URM enrollment. There is also a target legacy, sports, merit, etc. If there was no affirmative action, the number of URM's would decrease to about 3% black and 4% Hispanic at most top 20 schools. However, this doesn't mean the number of Asian students would significantly increase to make up the difference. I guarantee that the number of white students would be proportionally higher. I have set on committees where it was clearly stated that no group should be over represented. Everyone in the room knows what that means.

You would then know that the group that is the most overrepresented is Jews.

I bet that's not what adcoms mean though since Jews obtained the necessary political clout to get policy changed.

Interesting that PP who served on admissions committees that was posting Asians never resp

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*that was posting about Asians, never responded to this abou Jews being even more "over represented"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:*that was posting about Asians, never responded to this abou Jews being even more "over represented"

Sorry, I just check the thread! This is true statistically but was never brought up to my knowledge. We never discussed Jews as a group because we categorize them as White or as legacies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:*that was posting about Asians, never responded to this abou Jews being even more "over represented"

Sorry, I just check the thread! This is true statistically but was never brought up to my knowledge. We never discussed Jews as a group because we categorize them as White or as legacies.

And you know the history behind this yes?

So why shouldn't Asian-Americans fight for the same acceptance that Jews fought for?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"It’s sad that this is what elite-college admissions have come to: a soul-deadening process that encourages students to distort their identities solely for the sake of getting in. But the rampant racism to which these pointers allude, if real, is even sadder. According to some activists, brilliant, accomplished, and well-rounded Asian students are consigned to gaming a system that’s rigged against them. Either that, or they have to prove themselves extra brilliant, extra accomplished, and extra well-rounded to ensure they’re on equal footing with non-Asian applicants.

The premise is that affirmative action enables colleges and universities to discriminate against Asian applicants simply because there are so many of them on campus already."

http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/06/asian-americans-and-the-future-of-affirmative-action/489023/?utm_source=yahoo&yptr=yahoo

More than 160 different Asian-American groups filed amicus briefs in support of UT's affirmative action program. Many in the Asian community, such as Hmongs and Cambodians state that the holistic approach in admission benefits them.

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Anonymous wrote:*that was posting about Asians, never responded to this abou Jews being even more "over represented"

Religion is on applications. How would admission committe know if a person is Jewish?

[Anonymous]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:*that was posting about Asians, never responded to this abou Jews being even more "over represented"

Religion is on applications. How would admission committe know if a person is Jewish?

Religion box is not on college applications.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:*that was posting about Asians, never responded to this abou Jews being even more "over represented"

Religion is on applications. How would admission committe know if a person is Jewish?

How do admissions committees know if a person is Asian if the race box is left blank?