Let's have the abortion talk here. Right here. This thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I dont get are these woman who have more than one abortion and feel no guilt whatsoever.

To each her own. I don't get women who wear Ugg boots or carry those quilted flowery/paisley print bags.

Heh. Much like my response to women who believe all clinics should be closed because they regret their abortion: yes, well, I regret that perm I got 10 years back, but I don't advocate closing all salons.

I've worked in pro-choice organizations for years. But I'm not naive to the reason why people oppose abortions and would love to see the numbers go down. So support policies that we know can make that happen: expanded access to contraception and reproductive health services, comprehensive sex education that teaches young people how to say no and how to protect themselves from unintended pregnancies. Hell, while I'm writing a wish list, how about mentoring and peer counseling that supports young women and helps them to build a future for themselves - there are so many stories of low income girls who saw no harm in getting pregnant young because they couldn't envision any real future for themselves, so why not? How about working with middle- and high school boys to teach them that having sex (or God forbid, date rape) doesn't make them a man?

That's what I'd like hear more of from the other side. Simply banning abortion is closing the barn door after the horses have gone. It doesn't address the problem. It just drives it underground.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I dont get are these woman who have more than one abortion and feel no guilt whatsoever.

To each her own. I don't get women who wear Ugg boots or carry those quilted flowery/paisley print bags.

I am 8 months pregnant and having now been through most of a wanted pregnancy cannot imagine deciding to have an abortion, although under certain circumstances (e.g., rape) I quite possibly would. Nevertheless, just because I don't know that I could do it doesn't mean I'd impose my own personal decision on *anyone*. I am staunchly pro-choice. We all have different experiences and different stories and we all have/should have the right to choose what medical procedures are done to our bodies.

Termination of human life is not a medical procedure. Be proud enough to call it what it is.

Termination of human life isn't *necessarily* a medical procedure (e.g., dying of old age, in a car accident, death by gunshot, hanging, etc.), but in the case of abortion it most certainly is. It's either a surgical procedure or a drug-induced procedure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I dont get are these woman who have more than one abortion and feel no guilt whatsoever.

To each her own. I don't get women who wear Ugg boots or carry those quilted flowery/paisley print bags.

Heh. Much like my response to women who believe all clinics should be closed because they regret their abortion: yes, well, I regret that perm I got 10 years back, but I don't advocate closing all salons.

I've worked in pro-choice organizations for years. But I'm not naive to the reason why people oppose abortions and would love to see the numbers go down. So support policies that we know can make that happen: expanded access to contraception and reproductive health services, comprehensive sex education that teaches young people how to say no and how to protect themselves from unintended pregnancies. Hell, while I'm writing a wish list, how about mentoring and peer counseling that supports young women and helps them to build a future for themselves - there are so many stories of low income girls who saw no harm in getting pregnant young because they couldn't envision any real future for themselves, so why not? How about working with middle- and high school boys to teach them that having sex (or God forbid, date rape) doesn't make them a man?

That's what I'd like hear more of from the other side. Simply banning abortion is closing the barn door after the horses have gone. It doesn't address the problem. It just drives it underground.

Hear hear!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I dont get are these woman who have more than one abortion and feel no guilt whatsoever.

To each her own. I don't get women who wear Ugg boots or carry those quilted flowery/paisley print bags.

I am 8 months pregnant and having now been through most of a wanted pregnancy cannot imagine deciding to have an abortion, although under certain circumstances (e.g., rape) I quite possibly would. Nevertheless, just because I don't know that I could do it doesn't mean I'd impose my own personal decision on *anyone*. I am staunchly pro-choice. We all have different experiences and different stories and we all have/should have the right to choose what medical procedures are done to our bodies.

Termination of human life is not a medical procedure. Be proud enough to call it what it is.

Termination of human life isn't *necessarily* a medical procedure (e.g., dying of old age, in a car accident, death by gunshot, hanging, etc.), but in the case of abortion it most certainly is. It's either a surgical procedure or a drug-induced procedure.

If the drug addict boyfriend beats on the mom, and infant dies in utero, what do you call that event?

[Anonymous]

So, PP, you find the word "abortion" preferable to "termination of human life"? I'm not going to call first trimester abortions "murder" because I don't consider these tiny embryos "life". The later term abortions are almost always to spare the fetus, now a "life", pain and suffering. And, "termination of human life" is very often equal to "medical procedure".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I dont get are these woman who have more than one abortion and feel no guilt whatsoever.

To each her own. I don't get women who wear Ugg boots or carry those quilted flowery/paisley print bags.

I am 8 months pregnant and having now been through most of a wanted pregnancy cannot imagine deciding to have an abortion, although under certain circumstances (e.g., rape) I quite possibly would. Nevertheless, just because I don't know that I could do it doesn't mean I'd impose my own personal decision on *anyone*. I am staunchly pro-choice. We all have different experiences and different stories and we all have/should have the right to choose what medical procedures are done to our bodies.

Termination of human life is not a medical procedure. Be proud enough to call it what it is.

Termination of human life isn't *necessarily* a medical procedure (e.g., dying of old age, in a car accident, death by gunshot, hanging, etc.), but in the case of abortion it most certainly is. It's either a surgical procedure or a drug-induced procedure.

If the drug addict boyfriend beats on the mom, and infant dies in utero, what do you call that event?

Apples and oranges, for one. That's someone ending a woman's pregnancy without her consent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I dont get are these woman who have more than one abortion and feel no guilt whatsoever.

To each her own. I don't get women who wear Ugg boots or carry those quilted flowery/paisley print bags.

I am 8 months pregnant and having now been through most of a wanted pregnancy cannot imagine deciding to have an abortion, although under certain circumstances (e.g., rape) I quite possibly would. Nevertheless, just because I don't know that I could do it doesn't mean I'd impose my own personal decision on *anyone*. I am staunchly pro-choice. We all have different experiences and different stories and we all have/should have the right to choose what medical procedures are done to our bodies.

Wow. You are exactly the sort of person who make Pro-Life people seem that much more level-headed. I am pro-choice, but I could never equate the hardship of an abortion to fashion and footwear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I dont get are these woman who have more than one abortion and feel no guilt whatsoever.

To each her own. I don't get women who wear Ugg boots or carry those quilted flowery/paisley print bags.

I am 8 months pregnant and having now been through most of a wanted pregnancy cannot imagine deciding to have an abortion, although under certain circumstances (e.g., rape) I quite possibly would. Nevertheless, just because I don't know that I could do it doesn't mean I'd impose my own personal decision on *anyone*. I am staunchly pro-choice. We all have different experiences and different stories and we all have/should have the right to choose what medical procedures are done to our bodies.

Termination of human life is not a medical procedure. Be proud enough to call it what it is.

Termination of human life isn't *necessarily* a medical procedure (e.g., dying of old age, in a car accident, death by gunshot, hanging, etc.), but in the case of abortion it most certainly is. It's either a surgical procedure or a drug-induced procedure.

If the drug addict boyfriend beats on the mom, and infant dies in utero, what do you call that event?

Apples and oranges, for one. That's someone ending a woman's pregnancy without her consent.

Who told you she didn't consent?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the drug addict boyfriend beats on the mom, and infant dies in utero, what do you call that event?

Apples and oranges, for one. That's someone ending a woman's pregnancy without her consent.

Who told you she didn't consent?

Who told you she did? Get her on the phone, let's ask. No point in playing "what if" all night.

Anonymous wrote:So, PP, you find the word "abortion" preferable to "termination of human life"? I'm not going to call first trimester abortions "murder" because I don't consider these tiny embryos "life". The later term abortions are almost always to spare the fetus, now a "life", pain and suffering. And, "termination of human life" is very often equal to "medical procedure".

I strenuously disagree with her and the little game she's playing here, but the word she's fishing around for here is "murder." In which case I have to wonder if she advocates lengthy prison sentences for women who seek abortions... scared teenagers, survivors of rape and incest, women with severe preeclampsia, ectopic pregnancies...

[Anonymous]

Sure, Women can abort all they want without the Fathers consent. Does that make it right????
And when it comes time for some woman to have the baby and want child support, who does she look to? The father.

Funny how when the Father isn't *needed* his rights dont mean a single thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sure, Women can abort all they want without the Fathers consent. Does that make it right????
And when it comes time for some woman to have the baby and want child support, who does she look to? The father.

Funny how when the Father isn't *needed* his rights dont mean a single thing.

The cold hard fact is, she's pregnant. She must continue the pregnancy and she must give birth. Biology isn't always fair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sure, Women can abort all they want without the Fathers consent. Does that make it right????
And when it comes time for some woman to have the baby and want child support, who does she look to? The father.

Funny how when the Father isn't *needed* his rights dont mean a single thing.

So he should have the right to compel her to continue a pregnancy against her wishes? Should someone have the right to force me to donate a kidney without my consent?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, Women can abort all they want without the Fathers consent. Does that make it right????
And when it comes time for some woman to have the baby and want child support, who does she look to? The father.

Funny how when the Father isn't *needed* his rights dont mean a single thing.

The cold hard fact is, she's pregnant. She must continue the pregnancy and she must give birth. Biology isn't always fair.

Waaah...life is too hard...life isn't easy enough for me....I want to give up...blah blah blah....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, Women can abort all they want without the Fathers consent. Does that make it right????
And when it comes time for some woman to have the baby and want child support, who does she look to? The father.

Funny how when the Father isn't *needed* his rights dont mean a single thing.

So he should have the right to compel her to continue a pregnancy against her wishes? Should someone have the right to force me to donate a kidney without my consent?

Last I checked, it takes two to make a baby. It doesnt take two to make a kidney.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, Women can abort all they want without the Fathers consent. Does that make it right????
And when it comes time for some woman to have the baby and want child support, who does she look to? The father.

Funny how when the Father isn't *needed* his rights dont mean a single thing.

The cold hard fact is, she's pregnant. She must continue the pregnancy and she must give birth. Biology isn't always fair.

Waaah...life is too hard...life isn't easy enough for me....I want to give up...blah blah blah....

Hee! I like it. Coming from someone who's upset men don't have enough control over women's bodies..