2016 LAMB lottery results

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC LAW:
If a public charter school has more applications to enroll in the school from students who are residents of the District of Columbia than there are available spaces, students shall be admitted using a random selection process. The documentation and results of the random selection process and a list of students on the waiting list as a result of such shall be available for review by the Board. The public charter school may give priority to the siblings of students enrolled in the school.

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THat looks like the DCPSB policy.

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Anonymous wrote:It probably doesn't hinder outreach. But LAMB is convinced that it's approach gives them the best shot at a diverse applicant pool. Maybe they don't want people to have to rank LAMB in preference order against the of their choices?

We can all form an opinion about their approach but it is their choice. And with 800 applicants it doesn't seem to be hurting them.

Yes but with their past (yes, I know first hand when my Spanish speaking friend got in and had a number 200 worse than me), they should not be allowed this luxury. It should have been required by the charter board.

I love it when non-Latinos complain about how Latinos get all the perks. Give me a break. LAMB does not give any preference of any kind to Spanish-speakers. I know, I asked. Actually, if I'm honest, I begged. And they did not budge, did not take my name down, and were perfectly kind. But they made it clear this did not happen, regardless of what an "esteemed lottery consultant" claimed really happened behind the scenes.

For what it's worth, I am happy for LAMB that your Spanish-speaking friend got in. You seem like an entitled jerk. And Latinos in this city get nothing - at least we should be able to send our kids to schools where they can continue learning our language and sharing that knowledge with other kids. Unfortunately we don't even get that aside from a handful of seats at Oyster-Adams and a few other DCPS schools. I guess I can hope for the best from one of them, even though it isn't likely.

Please do tell me what I said in my two sentences that led you to feel like I'm complaining about how Latinos get all the perks and I'm entitled. I'll wait. You're a piece of work if you're implying that it's good that my friend got in illegally. Yes, LAMB did use scrupulous methods to admission from waitlist in the past (4+ years ago) and there are many people giving their testimony accordingly. No, it's is not legal, regardless of how right you think it feels. Also, my friend's family looks just like mine. With her, it was one parent that spoke Spanish language (not entirely fluent), had a Spanish last name, and went to Spanish daycare. Same with us except we don't have Spanish last name and we marked English as primary language (friend did not). Does it matter to you if I tell you that we live off teacher salaries and friends are attorneys?

I'm sorry if this is brought up more than you'd like Lamb parents but it's a true story of your past that you can't deny. There is no need to be dudes, defensive, mean, or outright hint that it was okay to break the law in any capacity.

New poster here - but I'd love for you to point out EXACTLY in the law where it says that about the lottery?

Now, DCPCSB has asked them to change the lottery because it is their policy, but DAMN, I'd love it if one person actually read the fucking law they keep harping on.

The law says that when there are more applicants than seats available at a charter school, those seats must be allocated by random lottery. If you don't order your waitlist according to random numbers and then call and make offers in order, there is a colorable argument that you are not allocating your seats appropriately. If you are using home language or ethnicity as a deciding factor in allocating your seats, there is also a colorable argument of active discrimination. I'm not saying LAMB does either of those, but the line of law and policy in this context is not so clear as you are cursing about.

No, that is not what the law says...if you actually read the law (vs. a summary of the law) you will see you are getting a watered down version. Also, you will see the law has been changed several times since 1995 (I'm sure you knew that - since you seem to be fighting so hard with strangers on the internet).

But let's break it down shall we?

(a) Open enrollment — Enrollment in a public charter school shall be open to all students who are residents of the District of Columbia and, if space is available, to nonresident students who meet the tuition requirement in subsection (e) of this section.

CHECK!

(b) Criteria for admission — A public charter school may not limit enrollment on the basis of a student's race, color, religion, national origin, language spoken, intellectual or athletic ability, measures of achievement or aptitude, or status as a student with special needs. A public charter school may limit enrollment to specific grade levels.

Ok, here is where some issues have been in the past. However, LAMB (many years ago) changed their charter to come into compliance with the law. I believe this was 7 years ago. Most of you didn't even have kids 7 years ago.

And my favorite it is the bold part.

Feel free to check out the law online. It's only been around since....oh....1995 or so?

Did you even read the entire sentence that you bolded?

And, if you read what I wrote - 7 years ago they changed their charter to address that issue.

Now, you can take a random person's online word that their friend's cousin's uncle was admitted out of order off the wait list 6 years ago - or we can say...who really gives a fuck?

I do, as a prospective parent in the lottery. How do you know they are not calling kids out of order?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It probably doesn't hinder outreach. But LAMB is convinced that it's approach gives them the best shot at a diverse applicant pool. Maybe they don't want people to have to rank LAMB in preference order against the of their choices?

We can all form an opinion about their approach but it is their choice. And with 800 applicants it doesn't seem to be hurting them.

Yes but with their past (yes, I know first hand when my Spanish speaking friend got in and had a number 200 worse than me), they should not be allowed this luxury. It should have been required by the charter board.

I love it when non-Latinos complain about how Latinos get all the perks. Give me a break. LAMB does not give any preference of any kind to Spanish-speakers. I know, I asked. Actually, if I'm honest, I begged. And they did not budge, did not take my name down, and were perfectly kind. But they made it clear this did not happen, regardless of what an "esteemed lottery consultant" claimed really happened behind the scenes.

For what it's worth, I am happy for LAMB that your Spanish-speaking friend got in. You seem like an entitled jerk. And Latinos in this city get nothing - at least we should be able to send our kids to schools where they can continue learning our language and sharing that knowledge with other kids. Unfortunately we don't even get that aside from a handful of seats at Oyster-Adams and a few other DCPS schools. I guess I can hope for the best from one of them, even though it isn't likely.

Please do tell me what I said in my two sentences that led you to feel like I'm complaining about how Latinos get all the perks and I'm entitled. I'll wait. You're a piece of work if you're implying that it's good that my friend got in illegally. Yes, LAMB did use scrupulous methods to admission from waitlist in the past (4+ years ago) and there are many people giving their testimony accordingly. No, it's is not legal, regardless of how right you think it feels. Also, my friend's family looks just like mine. With her, it was one parent that spoke Spanish language (not entirely fluent), had a Spanish last name, and went to Spanish daycare. Same with us except we don't have Spanish last name and we marked English as primary language (friend did not). Does it matter to you if I tell you that we live off teacher salaries and friends are attorneys?

I'm sorry if this is brought up more than you'd like Lamb parents but it's a true story of your past that you can't deny. There is no need to be dudes, defensive, mean, or outright hint that it was okay to break the law in any capacity.

New poster here - but I'd love for you to point out EXACTLY in the law where it says that about the lottery?

Now, DCPCSB has asked them to change the lottery because it is their policy, but DAMN, I'd love it if one person actually read the fucking law they keep harping on.

The law says that when there are more applicants than seats available at a charter school, those seats must be allocated by random lottery. If you don't order your waitlist according to random numbers and then call and make offers in order, there is a colorable argument that you are not allocating your seats appropriately. If you are using home language or ethnicity as a deciding factor in allocating your seats, there is also a colorable argument of active discrimination. I'm not saying LAMB does either of those, but the line of law and policy in this context is not so clear as you are cursing about.

No, that is not what the law says...if you actually read the law (vs. a summary of the law) you will see you are getting a watered down version. Also, you will see the law has been changed several times since 1995 (I'm sure you knew that - since you seem to be fighting so hard with strangers on the internet).

But let's break it down shall we?

(a) Open enrollment — Enrollment in a public charter school shall be open to all students who are residents of the District of Columbia and, if space is available, to nonresident students who meet the tuition requirement in subsection (e) of this section.

CHECK!

(b) Criteria for admission — A public charter school may not limit enrollment on the basis of a student's race, color, religion, national origin, language spoken, intellectual or athletic ability, measures of achievement or aptitude, or status as a student with special needs. A public charter school may limit enrollment to specific grade levels.

Ok, here is where some issues have been in the past. However, LAMB (many years ago) changed their charter to come into compliance with the law. I believe this was 7 years ago. Most of you didn't even have kids 7 years ago.

And my favorite it is the bold part.

Feel free to check out the law online. It's only been around since....oh....1995 or so?

Did you even read the entire sentence that you bolded?

And, if you read what I wrote - 7 years ago they changed their charter to address that issue.

Now, you can take a random person's online word that their friend's cousin's uncle was admitted out of order off the wait list 6 years ago - or we can say...who really gives a fuck?

So do you have reference to the law that they changed it saying it was okay to work waitlist according to language? Or are you now disputing that LAMB ever did this and saying that it's hearsay? Which is it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC LAW:
If a public charter school has more applications to enroll in the school from students who are residents of the District of Columbia than there are available spaces, students shall be admitted using a random selection process. The documentation and results of the random selection process and a list of students on the waiting list as a result of such shall be available for review by the Board. The public charter school may give priority to the siblings of students enrolled in the school.

Link?

THat looks like the DCPSB policy.

http://dcregs.dc.gov/Gateway/ChapterHome.aspx?ChapterNumber=5-E9
5-E915

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It probably doesn't hinder outreach. But LAMB is convinced that it's approach gives them the best shot at a diverse applicant pool. Maybe they don't want people to have to rank LAMB in preference order against the of their choices?

We can all form an opinion about their approach but it is their choice. And with 800 applicants it doesn't seem to be hurting them.

Yes but with their past (yes, I know first hand when my Spanish speaking friend got in and had a number 200 worse than me), they should not be allowed this luxury. It should have been required by the charter board.

I love it when non-Latinos complain about how Latinos get all the perks. Give me a break. LAMB does not give any preference of any kind to Spanish-speakers. I know, I asked. Actually, if I'm honest, I begged. And they did not budge, did not take my name down, and were perfectly kind. But they made it clear this did not happen, regardless of what an "esteemed lottery consultant" claimed really happened behind the scenes.

For what it's worth, I am happy for LAMB that your Spanish-speaking friend got in. You seem like an entitled jerk. And Latinos in this city get nothing - at least we should be able to send our kids to schools where they can continue learning our language and sharing that knowledge with other kids. Unfortunately we don't even get that aside from a handful of seats at Oyster-Adams and a few other DCPS schools. I guess I can hope for the best from one of them, even though it isn't likely.

Please do tell me what I said in my two sentences that led you to feel like I'm complaining about how Latinos get all the perks and I'm entitled. I'll wait. You're a piece of work if you're implying that it's good that my friend got in illegally. Yes, LAMB did use scrupulous methods to admission from waitlist in the past (4+ years ago) and there are many people giving their testimony accordingly. No, it's is not legal, regardless of how right you think it feels. Also, my friend's family looks just like mine. With her, it was one parent that spoke Spanish language (not entirely fluent), had a Spanish last name, and went to Spanish daycare. Same with us except we don't have Spanish last name and we marked English as primary language (friend did not). Does it matter to you if I tell you that we live off teacher salaries and friends are attorneys?

I'm sorry if this is brought up more than you'd like Lamb parents but it's a true story of your past that you can't deny. There is no need to be dudes, defensive, mean, or outright hint that it was okay to break the law in any capacity.

New poster here - but I'd love for you to point out EXACTLY in the law where it says that about the lottery?

Now, DCPCSB has asked them to change the lottery because it is their policy, but DAMN, I'd love it if one person actually read the fucking law they keep harping on.

The law says that when there are more applicants than seats available at a charter school, those seats must be allocated by random lottery. If you don't order your waitlist according to random numbers and then call and make offers in order, there is a colorable argument that you are not allocating your seats appropriately. If you are using home language or ethnicity as a deciding factor in allocating your seats, there is also a colorable argument of active discrimination. I'm not saying LAMB does either of those, but the line of law and policy in this context is not so clear as you are cursing about.

No, that is not what the law says...if you actually read the law (vs. a summary of the law) you will see you are getting a watered down version. Also, you will see the law has been changed several times since 1995 (I'm sure you knew that - since you seem to be fighting so hard with strangers on the internet).

But let's break it down shall we?

(a) Open enrollment — Enrollment in a public charter school shall be open to all students who are residents of the District of Columbia and, if space is available, to nonresident students who meet the tuition requirement in subsection (e) of this section.

CHECK!

(b) Criteria for admission — A public charter school may not limit enrollment on the basis of a student's race, color, religion, national origin, language spoken, intellectual or athletic ability, measures of achievement or aptitude, or status as a student with special needs. A public charter school may limit enrollment to specific grade levels.

Ok, here is where some issues have been in the past. However, LAMB (many years ago) changed their charter to come into compliance with the law. I believe this was 7 years ago. Most of you didn't even have kids 7 years ago.

And my favorite it is the bold part.

Feel free to check out the law online. It's only been around since....oh....1995 or so?

Did you even read the entire sentence that you bolded?

And, if you read what I wrote - 7 years ago they changed their charter to address that issue.

Now, you can take a random person's online word that their friend's cousin's uncle was admitted out of order off the wait list 6 years ago - or we can say...who really gives a fuck?

So do you have reference to the law that they changed it saying it was okay to work waitlist according to language? Or are you now disputing that LAMB ever did this and saying that it's hearsay? Which is it?

It hasn't changed, that's why it still shows in DC Regs for current charter law. I think the PP (one that keeps claiming it has changed several times) is quite confused. Maybe she's the one confusing charter board policy and DC law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC LAW:
If a public charter school has more applications to enroll in the school from students who are residents of the District of Columbia than there are available spaces, students shall be admitted using a random selection process. The documentation and results of the random selection process and a list of students on the waiting list as a result of such shall be available for review by the Board. The public charter school may give priority to the siblings of students enrolled in the school.

Link?

THat looks like the DCPSB policy.

http://dcregs.dc.gov/Gateway/ChapterHome.aspx?ChapterNumber=5-E9
5-E915

Better link to the School Reform Act itself: http://focusdc.org/background_issues/files/SRA/sraWeb3.html#Student

Ugh, people. Don't try to cut and paste the entire relevant body of law. If you do, try to find everything Council has passed since 1995 impacting charter school enrollment and don't forget Title V of the ESEA that also says any charter schools must admit students based on random lottery. None of these is going to say, specifically, that LAMB must call off its waitlist in order. But, can we agree that they should be and probably are since their hand got slapped four years ago?

[Anonymous]

This thread is the worst - I keep checking because I really want to know if calls are going out.

THAT IS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD THAT I STARTED.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC LAW:
If a public charter school has more applications to enroll in the school from students who are residents of the District of Columbia than there are available spaces, students shall be admitted using a random selection process. The documentation and results of the random selection process and a list of students on the waiting list as a result of such shall be available for review by the Board. The public charter school may give priority to the siblings of students enrolled in the school.

Link?

THat looks like the DCPSB policy.

http://dcregs.dc.gov/Gateway/ChapterHome.aspx?ChapterNumber=5-E9
5-E915

Better link to the School Reform Act itself: http://focusdc.org/background_issues/files/SRA/sraWeb3.html#Student

Ugh, people. Don't try to cut and paste the entire relevant body of law. If you do, try to find everything Council has passed since 1995 impacting charter school enrollment and don't forget Title V of the ESEA that also says any charter schools must admit students based on random lottery. None of these is going to say, specifically, that LAMB must call off its waitlist in order. But, can we agree that they should be and probably are since their hand got slapped four years ago?

FWIW, I am a LAMB parent and I saved a copy of the lottery results from last year as a souvenir, and I know from this that they went in order last year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is the worst - I keep checking because I really want to know if calls are going out.

THAT IS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD THAT I STARTED.

OMG you have to wait a few days. Big deal. Meanwhile the other schools you have to wait a month. Get over it and call the school if you are so concerned.

[Anonymous]

You have a 2.5% chance of admission. Your child is more likely to get into Harvard than LAMB. So try to put it out of your mind. Did you get all hyped up for the Powerball drawing, too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You have a 2.5% chance of admission. Your child is more likely to get into Harvard than LAMB. So try to put it out of your mind. Did you get all hyped up for the Powerball drawing, too?

Really? Odds of getting into lamb= 2.5/100 Odds of winning powerball= 1/175,000,000
Math isn't your strong suit, eh?
That's a decent chance to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You have a 2.5% chance of admission. Your child is more likely to get into Harvard than LAMB. So try to put it out of your mind. Did you get all hyped up for the Powerball drawing, too?

News to me that 2.5% of our country goes to harvard.

[Anonymous]

Plus, it's like more 6% or better if they add seats, 30 seats out of 500 applicants is 6%.

And the common lottery has a date certain for results - it's the "no later than" that's driving everyone crazy - the news could come at any time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You have a 2.5% chance of admission. Your child is more likely to get into Harvard than LAMB. So try to put it out of your mind. Did you get all hyped up for the Powerball drawing, too?

News to me that 2.5% of our country goes to harvard.

Harvard last year admitted 2,000 kids out of 37,000 applicants.
LAMB last year admitted around 40+ kids out of 850 applicants.

Both com to approximately a 5% chance.
More people go to Harvard and LAMB than win Powerball.

[Anonymous]

And Harvard has nothing to do with anything since this is a random lottery not a merits-based admission. A related pet-peeve: school lottery winners gaining a smugness that indicates they suspect it was more than randomness that got them their coveted school.