2016 LAMB lottery results

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Anonymous wrote:It probably doesn't hinder outreach. But LAMB is convinced that it's approach gives them the best shot at a diverse applicant pool. Maybe they don't want people to have to rank LAMB in preference order against the of their choices?

We can all form an opinion about their approach but it is their choice. And with 800 applicants it doesn't seem to be hurting them.

Yes but with their past (yes, I know first hand when my Spanish speaking friend got in and had a number 200 worse than me), they should not be allowed this luxury. It should have been required by the charter board.

I love it when non-Latinos complain about how Latinos get all the perks. Give me a break. LAMB does not give any preference of any kind to Spanish-speakers. I know, I asked. Actually, if I'm honest, I begged. And they did not budge, did not take my name down, and were perfectly kind. But they made it clear this did not happen, regardless of what an "esteemed lottery consultant" claimed really happened behind the scenes.

For what it's worth, I am happy for LAMB that your Spanish-speaking friend got in. You seem like an entitled jerk. And Latinos in this city get nothing - at least we should be able to send our kids to schools where they can continue learning our language and sharing that knowledge with other kids. Unfortunately we don't even get that aside from a handful of seats at Oyster-Adams and a few other DCPS schools. I guess I can hope for the best from one of them, even though it isn't likely.

Please do tell me what I said in my two sentences that led you to feel like I'm complaining about how Latinos get all the perks and I'm entitled. I'll wait. You're a piece of work if you're implying that it's good that my friend got in illegally. Yes, LAMB did use scrupulous methods to admission from waitlist in the past (4+ years ago) and there are many people giving their testimony accordingly. No, it's is not legal, regardless of how right you think it feels. Also, my friend's family looks just like mine. With her, it was one parent that spoke Spanish language (not entirely fluent), had a Spanish last name, and went to Spanish daycare. Same with us except we don't have Spanish last name and we marked English as primary language (friend did not). Does it matter to you if I tell you that we live off teacher salaries and friends are attorneys?

I'm sorry if this is brought up more than you'd like Lamb parents but it's a true story of your past that you can't deny. There is no need to be dudes, defensive, mean, or outright hint that it was okay to break the law in any capacity.

New poster here - but I'd love for you to point out EXACTLY in the law where it says that about the lottery?

Now, DCPCSB has asked them to change the lottery because it is their policy, but DAMN, I'd love it if one person actually read the fucking law they keep harping on.

NP - I'd like you to show where in the charter law it says a school can select from their waitlist out of order.

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Which Lamb does not do, NP.

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Anonymous wrote:It probably doesn't hinder outreach. But LAMB is convinced that it's approach gives them the best shot at a diverse applicant pool. Maybe they don't want people to have to rank LAMB in preference order against the of their choices?

We can all form an opinion about their approach but it is their choice. And with 800 applicants it doesn't seem to be hurting them.

Yes but with their past (yes, I know first hand when my Spanish speaking friend got in and had a number 200 worse than me), they should not be allowed this luxury. It should have been required by the charter board.

I love it when non-Latinos complain about how Latinos get all the perks. Give me a break. LAMB does not give any preference of any kind to Spanish-speakers. I know, I asked. Actually, if I'm honest, I begged. And they did not budge, did not take my name down, and were perfectly kind. But they made it clear this did not happen, regardless of what an "esteemed lottery consultant" claimed really happened behind the scenes.

For what it's worth, I am happy for LAMB that your Spanish-speaking friend got in. You seem like an entitled jerk. And Latinos in this city get nothing - at least we should be able to send our kids to schools where they can continue learning our language and sharing that knowledge with other kids. Unfortunately we don't even get that aside from a handful of seats at Oyster-Adams and a few other DCPS schools. I guess I can hope for the best from one of them, even though it isn't likely.

Please do tell me what I said in my two sentences that led you to feel like I'm complaining about how Latinos get all the perks and I'm entitled. I'll wait. You're a piece of work if you're implying that it's good that my friend got in illegally. Yes, LAMB did use scrupulous methods to admission from waitlist in the past (4+ years ago) and there are many people giving their testimony accordingly. No, it's is not legal, regardless of how right you think it feels. Also, my friend's family looks just like mine. With her, it was one parent that spoke Spanish language (not entirely fluent), had a Spanish last name, and went to Spanish daycare. Same with us except we don't have Spanish last name and we marked English as primary language (friend did not). Does it matter to you if I tell you that we live off teacher salaries and friends are attorneys?

I'm sorry if this is brought up more than you'd like Lamb parents but it's a true story of your past that you can't deny. There is no need to be dudes, defensive, mean, or outright hint that it was okay to break the law in any capacity.

New poster here - but I'd love for you to point out EXACTLY in the law where it says that about the lottery?

Now, DCPCSB has asked them to change the lottery because it is their policy, but DAMN, I'd love it if one person actually read the fucking law they keep harping on.

NP - I'd like you to show where in the charter law it says a school can select from their waitlist out of order.

NP - I'd like to know why you're crexing about ancient history. I'm not a LAMB parent, I don't approve of what they did, and so... I'm satisfied. Why? Because they changed their lottery policy - that's why.

Here's what I don't understand - why are you complaining about the past? They addressed the demands and changed. Seriously, what else do you want? SMH.

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Anonymous wrote:It probably doesn't hinder outreach. But LAMB is convinced that it's approach gives them the best shot at a diverse applicant pool. Maybe they don't want people to have to rank LAMB in preference order against the of their choices?

We can all form an opinion about their approach but it is their choice. And with 800 applicants it doesn't seem to be hurting them.

Yes but with their past (yes, I know first hand when my Spanish speaking friend got in and had a number 200 worse than me), they should not be allowed this luxury. It should have been required by the charter board.

I love it when non-Latinos complain about how Latinos get all the perks. Give me a break. LAMB does not give any preference of any kind to Spanish-speakers. I know, I asked. Actually, if I'm honest, I begged. And they did not budge, did not take my name down, and were perfectly kind. But they made it clear this did not happen, regardless of what an "esteemed lottery consultant" claimed really happened behind the scenes.

For what it's worth, I am happy for LAMB that your Spanish-speaking friend got in. You seem like an entitled jerk. And Latinos in this city get nothing - at least we should be able to send our kids to schools where they can continue learning our language and sharing that knowledge with other kids. Unfortunately we don't even get that aside from a handful of seats at Oyster-Adams and a few other DCPS schools. I guess I can hope for the best from one of them, even though it isn't likely.

Please do tell me what I said in my two sentences that led you to feel like I'm complaining about how Latinos get all the perks and I'm entitled. I'll wait. You're a piece of work if you're implying that it's good that my friend got in illegally. Yes, LAMB did use scrupulous methods to admission from waitlist in the past (4+ years ago) and there are many people giving their testimony accordingly. No, it's is not legal, regardless of how right you think it feels. Also, my friend's family looks just like mine. With her, it was one parent that spoke Spanish language (not entirely fluent), had a Spanish last name, and went to Spanish daycare. Same with us except we don't have Spanish last name and we marked English as primary language (friend did not). Does it matter to you if I tell you that we live off teacher salaries and friends are attorneys?

I'm sorry if this is brought up more than you'd like Lamb parents but it's a true story of your past that you can't deny. There is no need to be dudes, defensive, mean, or outright hint that it was okay to break the law in any capacity.

New poster here - but I'd love for you to point out EXACTLY in the law where it says that about the lottery?

Now, DCPCSB has asked them to change the lottery because it is their policy, but DAMN, I'd love it if one person actually read the fucking law they keep harping on.

The law says that when there are more applicants than seats available at a charter school, those seats must be allocated by random lottery. If you don't order your waitlist according to random numbers and then call and make offers in order, there is a colorable argument that you are not allocating your seats appropriately. If you are using home language or ethnicity as a deciding factor in allocating your seats, there is also a colorable argument of active discrimination. I'm not saying LAMB does either of those, but the line of law and policy in this context is not so clear as you are cursing about.

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Anonymous wrote:It probably doesn't hinder outreach. But LAMB is convinced that it's approach gives them the best shot at a diverse applicant pool. Maybe they don't want people to have to rank LAMB in preference order against the of their choices?

We can all form an opinion about their approach but it is their choice. And with 800 applicants it doesn't seem to be hurting them.

Yes but with their past (yes, I know first hand when my Spanish speaking friend got in and had a number 200 worse than me), they should not be allowed this luxury. It should have been required by the charter board.

I love it when non-Latinos complain about how Latinos get all the perks. Give me a break. LAMB does not give any preference of any kind to Spanish-speakers. I know, I asked. Actually, if I'm honest, I begged. And they did not budge, did not take my name down, and were perfectly kind. But they made it clear this did not happen, regardless of what an "esteemed lottery consultant" claimed really happened behind the scenes.

For what it's worth, I am happy for LAMB that your Spanish-speaking friend got in. You seem like an entitled jerk. And Latinos in this city get nothing - at least we should be able to send our kids to schools where they can continue learning our language and sharing that knowledge with other kids. Unfortunately we don't even get that aside from a handful of seats at Oyster-Adams and a few other DCPS schools. I guess I can hope for the best from one of them, even though it isn't likely.

Please do tell me what I said in my two sentences that led you to feel like I'm complaining about how Latinos get all the perks and I'm entitled. I'll wait. You're a piece of work if you're implying that it's good that my friend got in illegally. Yes, LAMB did use scrupulous methods to admission from waitlist in the past (4+ years ago) and there are many people giving their testimony accordingly. No, it's is not legal, regardless of how right you think it feels. Also, my friend's family looks just like mine. With her, it was one parent that spoke Spanish language (not entirely fluent), had a Spanish last name, and went to Spanish daycare. Same with us except we don't have Spanish last name and we marked English as primary language (friend did not). Does it matter to you if I tell you that we live off teacher salaries and friends are attorneys?

I'm sorry if this is brought up more than you'd like Lamb parents but it's a true story of your past that you can't deny. There is no need to be dudes, defensive, mean, or outright hint that it was okay to break the law in any capacity.

New poster here - but I'd love for you to point out EXACTLY in the law where it says that about the lottery?

Now, DCPCSB has asked them to change the lottery because it is their policy, but DAMN, I'd love it if one person actually read the fucking law they keep harping on.

The law says that when there are more applicants than seats available at a charter school, those seats must be allocated by random lottery. If you don't order your waitlist according to random numbers and then call and make offers in order, there is a colorable argument that you are not allocating your seats appropriately. If you are using home language or ethnicity as a deciding factor in allocating your seats, there is also a colorable argument of active discrimination. I'm not saying LAMB does either of those, but the line of law and policy in this context is not so clear as you are cursing about.

I think this is the exact point Pp is trying to make and there are many posters saying it was not against the rules at the time - which is not the case. So which is it? It was legal and OK for Lamb to do it when they did it 4+ years ago or it was ancient history and get over it?

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It is ancient history and hasn't happened for at least four years.

Even when LAMB did do that, it was completely out in the open as they didn't think they were doing anything wrong and weren't trying to hide anything. It was still "open to chance" lotteries: one for English and one for Spanish. It was done for language balance and not to for reasons like placing the Mayor's kids or children of Obama administration staff in WOTP schools.

You don't necessarily have to get over it if you don't want to but I think you'll be disappointed if you're waiting for the Justice Department to throw the book at the perps.

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Anonymous wrote:It probably doesn't hinder outreach. But LAMB is convinced that it's approach gives them the best shot at a diverse applicant pool. Maybe they don't want people to have to rank LAMB in preference order against the of their choices?

We can all form an opinion about their approach but it is their choice. And with 800 applicants it doesn't seem to be hurting them.

Yes but with their past (yes, I know first hand when my Spanish speaking friend got in and had a number 200 worse than me), they should not be allowed this luxury. It should have been required by the charter board.

I love it when non-Latinos complain about how Latinos get all the perks. Give me a break. LAMB does not give any preference of any kind to Spanish-speakers. I know, I asked. Actually, if I'm honest, I begged. And they did not budge, did not take my name down, and were perfectly kind. But they made it clear this did not happen, regardless of what an "esteemed lottery consultant" claimed really happened behind the scenes.

For what it's worth, I am happy for LAMB that your Spanish-speaking friend got in. You seem like an entitled jerk. And Latinos in this city get nothing - at least we should be able to send our kids to schools where they can continue learning our language and sharing that knowledge with other kids. Unfortunately we don't even get that aside from a handful of seats at Oyster-Adams and a few other DCPS schools. I guess I can hope for the best from one of them, even though it isn't likely.

Please do tell me what I said in my two sentences that led you to feel like I'm complaining about how Latinos get all the perks and I'm entitled. I'll wait. You're a piece of work if you're implying that it's good that my friend got in illegally. Yes, LAMB did use scrupulous methods to admission from waitlist in the past (4+ years ago) and there are many people giving their testimony accordingly. No, it's is not legal, regardless of how right you think it feels. Also, my friend's family looks just like mine. With her, it was one parent that spoke Spanish language (not entirely fluent), had a Spanish last name, and went to Spanish daycare. Same with us except we don't have Spanish last name and we marked English as primary language (friend did not). Does it matter to you if I tell you that we live off teacher salaries and friends are attorneys?

I'm sorry if this is brought up more than you'd like Lamb parents but it's a true story of your past that you can't deny. There is no need to be dudes, defensive, mean, or outright hint that it was okay to break the law in any capacity.

New poster here - but I'd love for you to point out EXACTLY in the law where it says that about the lottery?

Now, DCPCSB has asked them to change the lottery because it is their policy, but DAMN, I'd love it if one person actually read the fucking law they keep harping on.

The law says that when there are more applicants than seats available at a charter school, those seats must be allocated by random lottery. If you don't order your waitlist according to random numbers and then call and make offers in order, there is a colorable argument that you are not allocating your seats appropriately. If you are using home language or ethnicity as a deciding factor in allocating your seats, there is also a colorable argument of active discrimination. I'm not saying LAMB does either of those, but the line of law and policy in this context is not so clear as you are cursing about.

I think this is the exact point Pp is trying to make and there are many posters saying it was not against the rules at the time - which is not the case. So which is it? It was legal and OK for Lamb to do it when they did it 4+ years ago or it was ancient history and get over it?

Both. I would argue it was against the rules, that is, against the spirit of the open enrollment/placement by random lottery law when they did it. They (perhaps) didn't know that. PCSB clarified. They stopped (probably). And now it is ancient history and we can get over it if they are now flying right. I'm not sure anyone knows that for sure but LAMB staff. Even if you were getting a call out of order or being passed over for another family, you might not know it as an applicant.

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Anonymous wrote:It probably doesn't hinder outreach. But LAMB is convinced that it's approach gives them the best shot at a diverse applicant pool. Maybe they don't want people to have to rank LAMB in preference order against the of their choices?

We can all form an opinion about their approach but it is their choice. And with 800 applicants it doesn't seem to be hurting them.

Yes but with their past (yes, I know first hand when my Spanish speaking friend got in and had a number 200 worse than me), they should not be allowed this luxury. It should have been required by the charter board.

I love it when non-Latinos complain about how Latinos get all the perks. Give me a break. LAMB does not give any preference of any kind to Spanish-speakers. I know, I asked. Actually, if I'm honest, I begged. And they did not budge, did not take my name down, and were perfectly kind. But they made it clear this did not happen, regardless of what an "esteemed lottery consultant" claimed really happened behind the scenes.

For what it's worth, I am happy for LAMB that your Spanish-speaking friend got in. You seem like an entitled jerk. And Latinos in this city get nothing - at least we should be able to send our kids to schools where they can continue learning our language and sharing that knowledge with other kids. Unfortunately we don't even get that aside from a handful of seats at Oyster-Adams and a few other DCPS schools. I guess I can hope for the best from one of them, even though it isn't likely.

Please do tell me what I said in my two sentences that led you to feel like I'm complaining about how Latinos get all the perks and I'm entitled. I'll wait. You're a piece of work if you're implying that it's good that my friend got in illegally. Yes, LAMB did use scrupulous methods to admission from waitlist in the past (4+ years ago) and there are many people giving their testimony accordingly. No, it's is not legal, regardless of how right you think it feels. Also, my friend's family looks just like mine. With her, it was one parent that spoke Spanish language (not entirely fluent), had a Spanish last name, and went to Spanish daycare. Same with us except we don't have Spanish last name and we marked English as primary language (friend did not). Does it matter to you if I tell you that we live off teacher salaries and friends are attorneys?

I'm sorry if this is brought up more than you'd like Lamb parents but it's a true story of your past that you can't deny. There is no need to be dudes, defensive, mean, or outright hint that it was okay to break the law in any capacity.

New poster here - but I'd love for you to point out EXACTLY in the law where it says that about the lottery?

Now, DCPCSB has asked them to change the lottery because it is their policy, but DAMN, I'd love it if one person actually read the fucking law they keep harping on.

The law says that when there are more applicants than seats available at a charter school, those seats must be allocated by random lottery. If you don't order your waitlist according to random numbers and then call and make offers in order, there is a colorable argument that you are not allocating your seats appropriately. If you are using home language or ethnicity as a deciding factor in allocating your seats, there is also a colorable argument of active discrimination. I'm not saying LAMB does either of those, but the line of law and policy in this context is not so clear as you are cursing about.

Did the law change? Schools were able to create the waitlist in the order applications were received (Yu Ying). The initial spots were a full open lottery.

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Anonymous wrote:It is ancient history and hasn't happened for at least four years.

Even when LAMB did do that, it was completely out in the open as they didn't think they were doing anything wrong and weren't trying to hide anything. It was still "open to chance" lotteries: one for English and one for Spanish. It was done for language balance and not to for reasons like placing the Mayor's kids or children of Obama administration staff in WOTP schools.

You don't necessarily have to get over it if you don't want to but I think you'll be disappointed if you're waiting for the Justice Department to throw the book at the perps.

You are mistaken if you really believe LAMB didn't know what they were doing was against the rules. Maybe you haven't been around 4-6+ years ago, but they surely knew. Check out the search forums to understand exactly what went down and see many people's testimony with admin and complaints to charter board. Don't assert something if you're not familiar with what went down and what LAMB knew at the time. 4 years ago is not ancient history being that common lottery is only in it's 3rd year. It's actually pretty recent history considering that LAMB is the only tier 1 charter that doesn't do common lottery. I totally get the concern. I don't have a kid young enough to even attend LAMB, but I get it.

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Anonymous wrote:It probably doesn't hinder outreach. But LAMB is convinced that it's approach gives them the best shot at a diverse applicant pool. Maybe they don't want people to have to rank LAMB in preference order against the of their choices?

We can all form an opinion about their approach but it is their choice. And with 800 applicants it doesn't seem to be hurting them.

Yes but with their past (yes, I know first hand when my Spanish speaking friend got in and had a number 200 worse than me), they should not be allowed this luxury. It should have been required by the charter board.

I love it when non-Latinos complain about how Latinos get all the perks. Give me a break. LAMB does not give any preference of any kind to Spanish-speakers. I know, I asked. Actually, if I'm honest, I begged. And they did not budge, did not take my name down, and were perfectly kind. But they made it clear this did not happen, regardless of what an "esteemed lottery consultant" claimed really happened behind the scenes.

For what it's worth, I am happy for LAMB that your Spanish-speaking friend got in. You seem like an entitled jerk. And Latinos in this city get nothing - at least we should be able to send our kids to schools where they can continue learning our language and sharing that knowledge with other kids. Unfortunately we don't even get that aside from a handful of seats at Oyster-Adams and a few other DCPS schools. I guess I can hope for the best from one of them, even though it isn't likely.

Please do tell me what I said in my two sentences that led you to feel like I'm complaining about how Latinos get all the perks and I'm entitled. I'll wait. You're a piece of work if you're implying that it's good that my friend got in illegally. Yes, LAMB did use scrupulous methods to admission from waitlist in the past (4+ years ago) and there are many people giving their testimony accordingly. No, it's is not legal, regardless of how right you think it feels. Also, my friend's family looks just like mine. With her, it was one parent that spoke Spanish language (not entirely fluent), had a Spanish last name, and went to Spanish daycare. Same with us except we don't have Spanish last name and we marked English as primary language (friend did not). Does it matter to you if I tell you that we live off teacher salaries and friends are attorneys?

I'm sorry if this is brought up more than you'd like Lamb parents but it's a true story of your past that you can't deny. There is no need to be dudes, defensive, mean, or outright hint that it was okay to break the law in any capacity.

New poster here - but I'd love for you to point out EXACTLY in the law where it says that about the lottery?

Now, DCPCSB has asked them to change the lottery because it is their policy, but DAMN, I'd love it if one person actually read the fucking law they keep harping on.

The law says that when there are more applicants than seats available at a charter school, those seats must be allocated by random lottery. If you don't order your waitlist according to random numbers and then call and make offers in order, there is a colorable argument that you are not allocating your seats appropriately. If you are using home language or ethnicity as a deciding factor in allocating your seats, there is also a colorable argument of active discrimination. I'm not saying LAMB does either of those, but the line of law and policy in this context is not so clear as you are cursing about.

No, that is not what the law says...if you actually read the law (vs. a summary of the law) you will see you are getting a watered down version. Also, you will see the law has been changed several times since 1995 (I'm sure you knew that - since you seem to be fighting so hard with strangers on the internet).

But let's break it down shall we?

(a) Open enrollment — Enrollment in a public charter school shall be open to all students who are residents of the District of Columbia and, if space is available, to nonresident students who meet the tuition requirement in subsection (e) of this section.

CHECK!

(b) Criteria for admission — A public charter school may not limit enrollment on the basis of a student's race, color, religion, national origin, language spoken, intellectual or athletic ability, measures of achievement or aptitude, or status as a student with special needs. A public charter school may limit enrollment to specific grade levels.

Ok, here is where some issues have been in the past. However, LAMB (many years ago) changed their charter to come into compliance with the law. I believe this was 7 years ago. Most of you didn't even have kids 7 years ago.

And my favorite it is the bold part.

Feel free to check out the law online. It's only been around since....oh....1995 or so?

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Anonymous wrote:It probably doesn't hinder outreach. But LAMB is convinced that it's approach gives them the best shot at a diverse applicant pool. Maybe they don't want people to have to rank LAMB in preference order against the of their choices?

We can all form an opinion about their approach but it is their choice. And with 800 applicants it doesn't seem to be hurting them.

Yes but with their past (yes, I know first hand when my Spanish speaking friend got in and had a number 200 worse than me), they should not be allowed this luxury. It should have been required by the charter board.

I love it when non-Latinos complain about how Latinos get all the perks. Give me a break. LAMB does not give any preference of any kind to Spanish-speakers. I know, I asked. Actually, if I'm honest, I begged. And they did not budge, did not take my name down, and were perfectly kind. But they made it clear this did not happen, regardless of what an "esteemed lottery consultant" claimed really happened behind the scenes.

For what it's worth, I am happy for LAMB that your Spanish-speaking friend got in. You seem like an entitled jerk. And Latinos in this city get nothing - at least we should be able to send our kids to schools where they can continue learning our language and sharing that knowledge with other kids. Unfortunately we don't even get that aside from a handful of seats at Oyster-Adams and a few other DCPS schools. I guess I can hope for the best from one of them, even though it isn't likely.

Please do tell me what I said in my two sentences that led you to feel like I'm complaining about how Latinos get all the perks and I'm entitled. I'll wait. You're a piece of work if you're implying that it's good that my friend got in illegally. Yes, LAMB did use scrupulous methods to admission from waitlist in the past (4+ years ago) and there are many people giving their testimony accordingly. No, it's is not legal, regardless of how right you think it feels. Also, my friend's family looks just like mine. With her, it was one parent that spoke Spanish language (not entirely fluent), had a Spanish last name, and went to Spanish daycare. Same with us except we don't have Spanish last name and we marked English as primary language (friend did not). Does it matter to you if I tell you that we live off teacher salaries and friends are attorneys?

I'm sorry if this is brought up more than you'd like Lamb parents but it's a true story of your past that you can't deny. There is no need to be dudes, defensive, mean, or outright hint that it was okay to break the law in any capacity.

New poster here - but I'd love for you to point out EXACTLY in the law where it says that about the lottery?

Now, DCPCSB has asked them to change the lottery because it is their policy, but DAMN, I'd love it if one person actually read the fucking law they keep harping on.

The law says that when there are more applicants than seats available at a charter school, those seats must be allocated by random lottery. If you don't order your waitlist according to random numbers and then call and make offers in order, there is a colorable argument that you are not allocating your seats appropriately. If you are using home language or ethnicity as a deciding factor in allocating your seats, there is also a colorable argument of active discrimination. I'm not saying LAMB does either of those, but the line of law and policy in this context is not so clear as you are cursing about.

Did the law change? Schools were able to create the waitlist in the order applications were received (Yu Ying). The initial spots were a full open lottery.

The Waitlist (such as the one from YY) was never against the law. In fact, they could go back to doing it that way today if they wanted. However, DCPCSB has tried to encourage a better policy of managing waitlists.

I really don't understand how so many of you living in a city like this don't understand the difference between law and policy.

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Anonymous wrote:It is ancient history and hasn't happened for at least four years.

Even when LAMB did do that, it was completely out in the open as they didn't think they were doing anything wrong and weren't trying to hide anything. It was still "open to chance" lotteries: one for English and one for Spanish. It was done for language balance and not to for reasons like placing the Mayor's kids or children of Obama administration staff in WOTP schools.

You don't necessarily have to get over it if you don't want to but I think you'll be disappointed if you're waiting for the Justice Department to throw the book at the perps.

You are mistaken if you really believe LAMB didn't know what they were doing was against the rules. Maybe you haven't been around 4-6+ years ago, but they surely knew. Check out the search forums to understand exactly what went down and see many people's testimony with admin and complaints to charter board. Don't assert something if you're not familiar with what went down and what LAMB knew at the time. 4 years ago is not ancient history being that common lottery is only in it's 3rd year. It's actually pretty recent history considering that LAMB is the only tier 1 charter that doesn't do common lottery. I totally get the concern. I don't have a kid young enough to even attend LAMB, but I get it.

I'm not a LAMB parent - but you really don't know what you are talking about. Things were not as centralized as they are now. Charter schools that were operating 6 or 7 years ago were pretty much on their own and making things up as they went along.

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Anonymous wrote:It probably doesn't hinder outreach. But LAMB is convinced that it's approach gives them the best shot at a diverse applicant pool. Maybe they don't want people to have to rank LAMB in preference order against the of their choices?

We can all form an opinion about their approach but it is their choice. And with 800 applicants it doesn't seem to be hurting them.

Yes but with their past (yes, I know first hand when my Spanish speaking friend got in and had a number 200 worse than me), they should not be allowed this luxury. It should have been required by the charter board.

I love it when non-Latinos complain about how Latinos get all the perks. Give me a break. LAMB does not give any preference of any kind to Spanish-speakers. I know, I asked. Actually, if I'm honest, I begged. And they did not budge, did not take my name down, and were perfectly kind. But they made it clear this did not happen, regardless of what an "esteemed lottery consultant" claimed really happened behind the scenes.

For what it's worth, I am happy for LAMB that your Spanish-speaking friend got in. You seem like an entitled jerk. And Latinos in this city get nothing - at least we should be able to send our kids to schools where they can continue learning our language and sharing that knowledge with other kids. Unfortunately we don't even get that aside from a handful of seats at Oyster-Adams and a few other DCPS schools. I guess I can hope for the best from one of them, even though it isn't likely.

Please do tell me what I said in my two sentences that led you to feel like I'm complaining about how Latinos get all the perks and I'm entitled. I'll wait. You're a piece of work if you're implying that it's good that my friend got in illegally. Yes, LAMB did use scrupulous methods to admission from waitlist in the past (4+ years ago) and there are many people giving their testimony accordingly. No, it's is not legal, regardless of how right you think it feels. Also, my friend's family looks just like mine. With her, it was one parent that spoke Spanish language (not entirely fluent), had a Spanish last name, and went to Spanish daycare. Same with us except we don't have Spanish last name and we marked English as primary language (friend did not). Does it matter to you if I tell you that we live off teacher salaries and friends are attorneys?

I'm sorry if this is brought up more than you'd like Lamb parents but it's a true story of your past that you can't deny. There is no need to be dudes, defensive, mean, or outright hint that it was okay to break the law in any capacity.

New poster here - but I'd love for you to point out EXACTLY in the law where it says that about the lottery?

Now, DCPCSB has asked them to change the lottery because it is their policy, but DAMN, I'd love it if one person actually read the fucking law they keep harping on.

The law says that when there are more applicants than seats available at a charter school, those seats must be allocated by random lottery. If you don't order your waitlist according to random numbers and then call and make offers in order, there is a colorable argument that you are not allocating your seats appropriately. If you are using home language or ethnicity as a deciding factor in allocating your seats, there is also a colorable argument of active discrimination. I'm not saying LAMB does either of those, but the line of law and policy in this context is not so clear as you are cursing about.

No, that is not what the law says...if you actually read the law (vs. a summary of the law) you will see you are getting a watered down version. Also, you will see the law has been changed several times since 1995 (I'm sure you knew that - since you seem to be fighting so hard with strangers on the internet).

But let's break it down shall we?

(a) Open enrollment — Enrollment in a public charter school shall be open to all students who are residents of the District of Columbia and, if space is available, to nonresident students who meet the tuition requirement in subsection (e) of this section.

CHECK!

(b) Criteria for admission — A public charter school may not limit enrollment on the basis of a student's race, color, religion, national origin, language spoken, intellectual or athletic ability, measures of achievement or aptitude, or status as a student with special needs. A public charter school may limit enrollment to specific grade levels.

Ok, here is where some issues have been in the past. However, LAMB (many years ago) changed their charter to come into compliance with the law. I believe this was 7 years ago. Most of you didn't even have kids 7 years ago.

And my favorite it is the bold part.

Feel free to check out the law online. It's only been around since....oh....1995 or so?

Did you even read the entire sentence that you bolded?

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DC LAW:
If a public charter school has more applications to enroll in the school from students who are residents of the District of Columbia than there are available spaces, students shall be admitted using a random selection process. The documentation and results of the random selection process and a list of students on the waiting list as a result of such shall be available for review by the Board. The public charter school may give priority to the siblings of students enrolled in the school.

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Anonymous wrote:It probably doesn't hinder outreach. But LAMB is convinced that it's approach gives them the best shot at a diverse applicant pool. Maybe they don't want people to have to rank LAMB in preference order against the of their choices?

We can all form an opinion about their approach but it is their choice. And with 800 applicants it doesn't seem to be hurting them.

Yes but with their past (yes, I know first hand when my Spanish speaking friend got in and had a number 200 worse than me), they should not be allowed this luxury. It should have been required by the charter board.

I love it when non-Latinos complain about how Latinos get all the perks. Give me a break. LAMB does not give any preference of any kind to Spanish-speakers. I know, I asked. Actually, if I'm honest, I begged. And they did not budge, did not take my name down, and were perfectly kind. But they made it clear this did not happen, regardless of what an "esteemed lottery consultant" claimed really happened behind the scenes.

For what it's worth, I am happy for LAMB that your Spanish-speaking friend got in. You seem like an entitled jerk. And Latinos in this city get nothing - at least we should be able to send our kids to schools where they can continue learning our language and sharing that knowledge with other kids. Unfortunately we don't even get that aside from a handful of seats at Oyster-Adams and a few other DCPS schools. I guess I can hope for the best from one of them, even though it isn't likely.

Please do tell me what I said in my two sentences that led you to feel like I'm complaining about how Latinos get all the perks and I'm entitled. I'll wait. You're a piece of work if you're implying that it's good that my friend got in illegally. Yes, LAMB did use scrupulous methods to admission from waitlist in the past (4+ years ago) and there are many people giving their testimony accordingly. No, it's is not legal, regardless of how right you think it feels. Also, my friend's family looks just like mine. With her, it was one parent that spoke Spanish language (not entirely fluent), had a Spanish last name, and went to Spanish daycare. Same with us except we don't have Spanish last name and we marked English as primary language (friend did not). Does it matter to you if I tell you that we live off teacher salaries and friends are attorneys?

I'm sorry if this is brought up more than you'd like Lamb parents but it's a true story of your past that you can't deny. There is no need to be dudes, defensive, mean, or outright hint that it was okay to break the law in any capacity.

New poster here - but I'd love for you to point out EXACTLY in the law where it says that about the lottery?

Now, DCPCSB has asked them to change the lottery because it is their policy, but DAMN, I'd love it if one person actually read the fucking law they keep harping on.

The law says that when there are more applicants than seats available at a charter school, those seats must be allocated by random lottery. If you don't order your waitlist according to random numbers and then call and make offers in order, there is a colorable argument that you are not allocating your seats appropriately. If you are using home language or ethnicity as a deciding factor in allocating your seats, there is also a colorable argument of active discrimination. I'm not saying LAMB does either of those, but the line of law and policy in this context is not so clear as you are cursing about.

No, that is not what the law says...if you actually read the law (vs. a summary of the law) you will see you are getting a watered down version. Also, you will see the law has been changed several times since 1995 (I'm sure you knew that - since you seem to be fighting so hard with strangers on the internet).

But let's break it down shall we?

(a) Open enrollment — Enrollment in a public charter school shall be open to all students who are residents of the District of Columbia and, if space is available, to nonresident students who meet the tuition requirement in subsection (e) of this section.

CHECK!

(b) Criteria for admission — A public charter school may not limit enrollment on the basis of a student's race, color, religion, national origin, language spoken, intellectual or athletic ability, measures of achievement or aptitude, or status as a student with special needs. A public charter school may limit enrollment to specific grade levels.

Ok, here is where some issues have been in the past. However, LAMB (many years ago) changed their charter to come into compliance with the law. I believe this was 7 years ago. Most of you didn't even have kids 7 years ago.

And my favorite it is the bold part.

Feel free to check out the law online. It's only been around since....oh....1995 or so?

Did you even read the entire sentence that you bolded?

And, if you read what I wrote - 7 years ago they changed their charter to address that issue.

Now, you can take a random person's online word that their friend's cousin's uncle was admitted out of order off the wait list 6 years ago - or we can say...who really gives a fuck?