Prep for an IQ test?????

[Anonymous]

An IQ test is not pass / fail. It is a measure of ones ability -- not ones knowledge.

Fine. Here is how you do it right. Schedule a WISC. The night before, break into the psychologists office, and obtain a copy of the WISC to be administered. Write down down the answers on the kids hands. Then you can have a genius.

You live in a strange neighborhood. I have never heard of a kid breaking into the psychologists office to steal a WISC and a list of answers. This hypothetical sounds preposterous. Test-prep is great for kids. Hard work and prep is the best route for success...unless you are have a Trump and inherit 200 million dollars from your father!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

An IQ test is not pass / fail. It is a measure of ones ability -- not ones knowledge.

Fine. Here is how you do it right. Schedule a WISC. The night before, break into the psychologists office, and obtain a copy of the WISC to be administered. Write down down the answers on the kids hands. Then you can have a genius.

You live in a strange neighborhood. I have never heard of a kid breaking into the psychologists office to steal a WISC and a list of answers. This hypothetical sounds preposterous. Test-prep is great for kids. Hard work and prep is the best route for success...unless you are have a Trump and inherit 200 million dollars from your father!

Here is why you are wrong. Very wrong.

The purpose of the tests are understand how these people approach the problem when they have not seen them before. By seeing the problem is advance through prepping (and I define prepping to be obtaining copies of the test or similar tests and using those as a study guide), it becomes a measure of how well a kid remembers what they saw before. It is no difference than a spelling test.

But the real problem with this test prep culture is it does not work in the long term. You end up with robots who can regurgitate answers but not solve new problems themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

An IQ test is not pass / fail. It is a measure of ones ability -- not ones knowledge.

Fine. Here is how you do it right. Schedule a WISC. The night before, break into the psychologists office, and obtain a copy of the WISC to be administered. Write down down the answers on the kids hands. Then you can have a genius.

You live in a strange neighborhood. I have never heard of a kid breaking into the psychologists office to steal a WISC and a list of answers. This hypothetical sounds preposterous. Test-prep is great for kids. Hard work and prep is the best route for success...unless you are have a Trump and inherit 200 million dollars from your father!

Here is why you are wrong. Very wrong.

The purpose of the tests are understand how these people approach the problem when they have not seen them before. By seeing the problem is advance through prepping (and I define prepping to be obtaining copies of the test or similar tests and using those as a study guide), it becomes a measure of how well a kid remembers what they saw before. It is no difference than a spelling test.

But the real problem with this test prep culture is it does not work in the long term. You end up with robots who can regurgitate answers but not solve new problems themselves.

There are books that contain practice tests that are so similar to the real test that kids who have used those books say that the test was exactly like their practice book, according to the website advertising one brand of these books. So, one doesn't have to "sneak" the test copy, since at least one publisher has produced a test that is so close to the actual test that kids feel as though they've already seen the test while they're taking the test at school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

An IQ test is not pass / fail. It is a measure of ones ability -- not ones knowledge.

Fine. Here is how you do it right. Schedule a WISC. The night before, break into the psychologists office, and obtain a copy of the WISC to be administered. Write down down the answers on the kids hands. Then you can have a genius.

You live in a strange neighborhood. I have never heard of a kid breaking into the psychologists office to steal a WISC and a list of answers. This hypothetical sounds preposterous. Test-prep is great for kids. Hard work and prep is the best route for success...unless you are have a Trump and inherit 200 million dollars from your father!

Here is why you are wrong. Very wrong.

The purpose of the tests are understand how these people approach the problem when they have not seen them before. By seeing the problem is advance through prepping (and I define prepping to be obtaining copies of the test or similar tests and using those as a study guide), it becomes a measure of how well a kid remembers what they saw before. It is no difference than a spelling test.

But the real problem with this test prep culture is it does not work in the long term. You end up with robots who can regurgitate answers but not solve new problems themselves.

There are books that contain practice tests that are so similar to the real test that kids who have used those books say that the test was exactly like their practice book, according to the website advertising one brand of these books. So, one doesn't have to "sneak" the test copy, since at least one publisher has produced a test that is so close to the actual test that kids feel as though they've already seen the test while they're taking the test at school.

And this is what all but a few object too. If you think the prep is ok, advertise it on the AAP application.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

An IQ test is not pass / fail. It is a measure of ones ability -- not ones knowledge.

Fine. Here is how you do it right. Schedule a WISC. The night before, break into the psychologists office, and obtain a copy of the WISC to be administered. Write down down the answers on the kids hands. Then you can have a genius.

You live in a strange neighborhood. I have never heard of a kid breaking into the psychologists office to steal a WISC and a list of answers. This hypothetical sounds preposterous. Test-prep is great for kids. Hard work and prep is the best route for success...unless you are have a Trump and inherit 200 million dollars from your father!

Here is why you are wrong. Very wrong.

The purpose of the tests are understand how these people approach the problem when they have not seen them before. By seeing the problem is advance through prepping (and I define prepping to be obtaining copies of the test or similar tests and using those as a study guide), it becomes a measure of how well a kid remembers what they saw before. It is no difference than a spelling test.

But the real problem with this test prep culture is it does not work in the long term. You end up with robots who can regurgitate answers but not solve new problems themselves.

There are books that contain practice tests that are so similar to the real test that kids who have used those books say that the test was exactly like their practice book, according to the website advertising one brand of these books. So, one doesn't have to "sneak" the test copy, since at least one publisher has produced a test that is so close to the actual test that kids feel as though they've already seen the test while they're taking the test at school.

And this is what all but a few object too. If you think the prep is ok, advertise it on the AAP application.

Advertise to whom, the cave people? and what would they advertise, list of internet search engines and locations of book stores?

[Anonymous]

On the AAP application. Parental form. Talk about how DC prepped for the test. How smart they were for that. See how well it goes. If you are not willing to admit it, you know you are cheating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On the AAP application. Parental form. Talk about how DC prepped for the test. How smart they were for that. See how well it goes. If you are not willing to admit it, you know you are cheating.

+1. I agree with this. If you are OK with test prep, please include it on the form.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

An IQ test is not pass / fail. It is a measure of ones ability -- not ones knowledge.

Fine. Here is how you do it right. Schedule a WISC. The night before, break into the psychologists office, and obtain a copy of the WISC to be administered. Write down down the answers on the kids hands. Then you can have a genius.

You live in a strange neighborhood. I have never heard of a kid breaking into the psychologists office to steal a WISC and a list of answers. This hypothetical sounds preposterous. Test-prep is great for kids. Hard work and prep is the best route for success...unless you are have a Trump and inherit 200 million dollars from your father!

Here is why you are wrong. Very wrong.

The purpose of the tests are understand how these people approach the problem when they have not seen them before. By seeing the problem is advance through prepping (and I define prepping to be obtaining copies of the test or similar tests and using those as a study guide), it becomes a measure of how well a kid remembers what they saw before. It is no difference than a spelling test.

But the real problem with this test prep culture is it does not work in the long term. You end up with robots who can regurgitate answers but not solve new problems themselves.

There are books that contain practice tests that are so similar to the real test that kids who have used those books say that the test was exactly like their practice book, according to the website advertising one brand of these books. So, one doesn't have to "sneak" the test copy, since at least one publisher has produced a test that is so close to the actual test that kids feel as though they've already seen the test while they're taking the test at school.

Wait, so you think the tests are "exactly" like the practice tests because the book creators claim that as part of their advertising. If that was true, don't you think much higher numbers would go into AAP?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
An IQ test is not pass / fail. It is a measure of ones ability -- not ones knowledge.

Fine. Here is how you do it right. Schedule a WISC. The night before, break into the psychologists office, and obtain a copy of the WISC to be administered. Write down down the answers on the kids hands. Then you can have a genius.


You live in a strange neighborhood. I have never heard of a kid breaking into the psychologists office to steal a WISC and a list of answers. This hypothetical sounds preposterous. Test-prep is great for kids. Hard work and prep is the best route for success...unless you are have a Trump and inherit 200 million dollars from your father!

Here is why you are wrong. Very wrong.

The purpose of the tests are understand how these people approach the problem when they have not seen them before. By seeing the problem is advance through prepping (and I define prepping to be obtaining copies of the test or similar tests and using those as a study guide), it becomes a measure of how well a kid remembers what they saw before. It is no difference than a spelling test.

But the real problem with this test prep culture is it does not work in the long term. You end up with robots who can regurgitate answers but not solve new problems themselves.


There are books that contain practice tests that are so similar to the real test that kids who have used those books say that the test was exactly like their practice book, according to the website advertising one brand of these books. So, one doesn't have to "sneak" the test copy, since at least one publisher has produced a test that is so close to the actual test that kids feel as though they've already seen the test while they're taking the test at school.

Stop this foolishness. The only fair test by your definition is a test written in a foreign language (e.g. Hausa) then there is a guarantee in our digital world Americans would not have seen any elements of this test in their schools, camps, home, internet, world wide web and environment. One doesn't have to use a VISA card to sign up for a test-prep class or steal the questions from the psychologists office to have exposure to the content, form, topics, ideas, and format of any test. One can get this experience, exposure and familiarity from one's environment. Thus, a really smart and intelligent American child would be the one solving a problem in another unfamiliar tongue -- Hausa. I am sure the lady with the A in a subject she never studied would get a solid F and the designation of very low IQ.

[Anonymous]

Let everyone test-prep for AAP and from the logic of people on this forum everyone would get the equivalent astronomically high score (all gifted and intelligent with the highest IQ) and the County would not have enough spots to take all of them (since the scores would all be the same).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

An IQ test is not pass / fail. It is a measure of ones ability -- not ones knowledge.

Fine. Here is how you do it right. Schedule a WISC. The night before, break into the psychologists office, and obtain a copy of the WISC to be administered. Write down down the answers on the kids hands. Then you can have a genius.

You live in a strange neighborhood. I have never heard of a kid breaking into the psychologists office to steal a WISC and a list of answers. This hypothetical sounds preposterous. Test-prep is great for kids. Hard work and prep is the best route for success...unless you are have a Trump and inherit 200 million dollars from your father!

Here is why you are wrong. Very wrong.

The purpose of the tests are understand how these people approach the problem when they have not seen them before. By seeing the problem is advance through prepping (and I define prepping to be obtaining copies of the test or similar tests and using those as a study guide), it becomes a measure of how well a kid remembers what they saw before. It is no difference than a spelling test.

But the real problem with this test prep culture is it does not work in the long term. You end up with robots who can regurgitate answers but not solve new problems themselves.

There are books that contain practice tests that are so similar to the real test that kids who have used those books say that the test was exactly like their practice book, according to the website advertising one brand of these books. So, one doesn't have to "sneak" the test copy, since at least one publisher has produced a test that is so close to the actual test that kids feel as though they've already seen the test while they're taking the test at school.

Wait, so you think the tests are "exactly" like the practice tests because the book creators claim that as part of their advertising. If that was true, don't you think much higher numbers would go into AAP?

Most people don't prep for the test. Maybe 10% prep. It might be 50-60 % in some ethnic groups, but not in the majority of households in FCPS.

[Anonymous]

There are books that contain practice tests that are so similar to the real test that kids who have used those books say that the test was exactly like their practice book, according to the website advertising one brand of these books. So, one doesn't have to "sneak" the test copy, since at least one publisher has produced a test that is so close to the actual test that kids feel as though they've already seen the test while they're taking the test at school.

Do you suggest these books be placed on a banned list from libraries, schools, and the Internet? Would you also ban the Bible? the Koran?
Would it constitute a felon to read these books?

[Anonymous]

Most people don't prep for the test. Maybe 10% prep. It might be 50-60 % in some ethnic groups, but not in the majority of households in FCPS.

For example, Anglo-European?

[Anonymous]

And this is what all but a few object too. If you think the prep is ok, advertise it on the AAP application.

Why? If I don't advertise my soccer club, my country club, or the Pope on the AAP application why should I advertise hard work and preparation. You are bonkers.

[Anonymous]

On the AAP application. Parental form. Talk about how DC prepped for the test. How smart they were for that. See how well it goes. If you are not willing to admit it, you know you are cheating.

It is not my objective as a parent to educate bumbling AAP bureaucrats about the neurophysiology of intelligence and the various and sundry ways neural axon connections form in the developing brain via numerous stimuli (including reading, problem solving, and test-prepping exercises). These individuals do not have the capacity to understand the milieu and the underlying mechanistic cell-to-cell crosstalk laying down pathways of human intelligence. This would be a pure waste of my time and effort. Therefore, I will not use the AAP application process for this effort as you suggest.