Prep for an IQ test?????

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can prep for an IQ test. In an IQ test, there are a series of questions. If you memorize the answers you can prep. (or cheat). Note that this does not mean you are smarter. It does mean that you are dishonest.

Illicitly peeking at test questions and memorizing their answers is clearly cheating. This can't be compared to familiarizing oneself with the types of questions to be on a test. Regardless of your views on prepping, it does no good to equate the two.

If the questions being studied in advance are so similar that only a few words have been changed it is essentially the same as seeing the test itself.

Someone who has studied the questions on several practice tests is exhibiting a different kind of intelligence than someone who can look at a puzzle or problem for the first time and solve it quickly. It illustrates one area of intelligence to be able to study and memorize how to solve a type of problem; the person who looks at problem s/he has never seen before and solves it quickly and easily is exhibiting a different area of intelligence.

True.

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You are still talking about all the various types of intelligence as if you are a pro. One for each day of the week. Please classify all these types of intelligence and tell us how you quantify and measure your different types of intelligence.

[Anonymous]

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We all get your aversion towards prepping. But you have misconstrued the intended purpose of CoGAT altogether, because of how the school system uses it as an enrollment criteria into a program.

As per (pdf link posted above in this thread ) David F. Lohman author of CoGAT, it's original purpose within a school system was to identify underperforming kids (who also happen to be from low income families) but have ability to take on advanced academic work. But now that the schools have started to use CoGAT as entry criteria to special program (much like SAT) to pick participants from all of the student population, he suggests that schools should level the field by providing preparation resources to all of the student population so that the low income families are not at a disadvantage.

From school system's perspective, CoGAT is not an IQ test, which medical practitioners administer when addressing an individual's psychological situation.

what pdf link? where is it?

If schools don't require all students to get an IQ test, then whey are we even talking about it? Is IQ test something that few parents are requesting the school to consider because it is something that came from their child's psychiatrist?

[Anonymous]

what pdf link? where is it?

Since you asked so nicely, it's on page 3, fourth comment down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can prep for an IQ test. In an IQ test, there are a series of questions. If you memorize the answers you can prep. (or cheat). Note that this does not mean you are smarter. It does mean that you are dishonest.

Illicitly peeking at test questions and memorizing their answers is clearly cheating. This can't be compared to familiarizing oneself with the types of questions to be on a test. Regardless of your views on prepping, it does no good to equate the two.

If the questions being studied in advance are so similar that only a few words have been changed it is essentially the same as seeing the test itself.

Someone who has studied the questions on several practice tests is exhibiting a different kind of intelligence than someone who can look at a puzzle or problem for the first time and solve it quickly. It illustrates one area of intelligence to be able to study and memorize how to solve a type of problem; the person who looks at problem s/he has never seen before and solves it quickly and easily is exhibiting a different area of intelligence.

This. And this can be why certain cultures seem to emphasize memorization compared with creativity. In the US, we value creativity.

Judging by liberal arts salaries you are incorrect

Actually, creativity is in the sciences, engineering and arts. Most liberal arts is memorization (exception being creative writing).

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what pdf link? where is it?

If schools don't require all students to get an IQ test, then whey are we even talking about it? Is IQ test something that few parents are requesting the school to consider because it is something that came from their child's psychiatrist?

Good point. Few take this so-called IQ test and some poster who can't define, measure, or even quantitate her various categories of intelligence is making a big deal that everyone around her is test-prepping for this infreqently administered test ?

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Before anything else, preparation is the key to success -- Alexander Graham Bell

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By failing to prepare you are preparing to fail -- Benjamin Franklin

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I will prepare and someday my chance will come -- Abraham Lincoln

[Anonymous]

Again, it all depends on what you are preparing for. Preparing for an IQ test is at best wrong.

There is no benefit for an average child to be labeled genius.

Memorizing the answers to a test does not mean you know the material. It means you know the answer to the test. Preparing for an IQ test may (or may not) increase the score, but it does not make you smarter.

GTFOTB!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again, it all depends on what you are preparing for. Preparing for an IQ test is at best wrong.

There is no benefit for an average child to be labeled genius.

Memorizing the answers to a test does not mean you know the material. It means you know the answer to the test. Preparing for an IQ test may (or may not) increase the score, but it does not make you smarter.

GTFOTB!

Again, students want to prepare for CoGAT and score well as it is an entrance criteria to an academic program. CoGAT is not an IQ test. Schools care less about IQ test or their scores; it is the parents pushing it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, it all depends on what you are preparing for. Preparing for an IQ test is at best wrong.

There is no benefit for an average child to be labeled genius.

Memorizing the answers to a test does not mean you know the material. It means you know the answer to the test. Preparing for an IQ test may (or may not) increase the score, but it does not make you smarter.

GTFOTB!

Again, students want to prepare for CoGAT and score well as it is an entrance criteria to an academic program. CoGAT is not an IQ test. Schools care less about IQ test or their scores; it is the parents pushing it.

I am pretty sure the second grade students don't want to prep. They want to play. They could care less about the CogAT score (-5 points for typing CoGAT. It is Cognitive Ability Test).

[Anonymous]

Again, it all depends on what you are preparing for. Preparing for an IQ test is at best wrong.

There is no benefit for an average child to be labeled genius.

Memorizing the answers to a test does not mean you know the material. It means you know the answer to the test. Preparing for an IQ test may (or may not) increase the score, but it does not make you smarter.

GTFOTB!

Why is it wrong?

Who are you to decide about the risk-benefit for individuals. Some of us are not interested in labels.

Preparing for an IQ test, or any task for that matter, if you have indeed prepared, does improve performance and make you smarter and more intelligent. Just look around at those who work hard and prepare...significantly higher performance and success rates. Open your eyes and ears.

[Anonymous]

I am pretty sure the second grade students don't want to prep. They want to play. They could care less about the CogAT score (-5 points for typing CoGAT. It is Cognitive Ability Test).

True for mine. As a second grader he did not want milk or vegetables. Now, as a 6 foot middle school student he is devouring his milk and vegetables as a "gifted" (not our label) labeled athlete in a test in magnet program. He thanks us for preparing his mind and body in the 2nd grade to the things he did not like to do -- save play.

I'll stick to this approach (the kids don't rule the roost in my home) for my children and toss your rubbish in the garbage can.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Again, it all depends on what you are preparing for. Preparing for an IQ test is at best wrong.

There is no benefit for an average child to be labeled genius.

Memorizing the answers to a test does not mean you know the material. It means you know the answer to the test. Preparing for an IQ test may (or may not) increase the score, but it does not make you smarter.

GTFOTB!

Why is it wrong?

Who are you to decide about the risk-benefit for individuals. Some of us are not interested in labels.

Preparing for an IQ test, or any task for that matter, if you have indeed prepared, does improve performance and make you smarter and more intelligent. Just look around at those who work hard and prepare...significantly higher performance and success rates. Open your eyes and ears.

An IQ test is not pass / fail. It is a measure of ones ability -- not ones knowledge.

Fine. Here is how you do it right. Schedule a WISC. The night before, break into the psychologists office, and obtain a copy of the WISC to be administered. Write down down the answers on the kids hands. Then you can have a genius.