S/O big law absentee parent explains

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I am a big law attorney with a husband who makes less (and is able to stay in his enjoyable gig because I take care of finances). I saw the other thread about the big law dad who does poker/night out twice a week and the gym daily. Many of the responses slammed the husband, but allow me to share a different perspective.

Like the big law DH, I work every day. Yup. Every single day. 12-14 hours weekdays and 4-5 hours per weekend day. Why? Because I am trying to make equity partner. People simply do not realize that all partners are not created the same. Partners who lack a book of business have no more job security than associates, BUT we are much less marketable because our brand is inextricably linked to our firm once we accept an offer of partnership. So, my position is precarious and will remain so until I have some real clients of my own. I have no real connections. Sure, I have many friends and contacts, but I am a non-WASP, non-Jew whose parents were lower middle class Schmoes. I don't have that shared background that would lead the majority in my field to feel real loyalty to me. I distinguish myself through breadth and depth of knowledge and slavish devotion to my clients' needs.

This leads me to nights out. No one who goes from work to home is going to get far in big law unless they arrived with connections. What my husband sees as "fun" drinks, poker nights, parties, and other events are really me ingratiating myself with those who will one day send me business. From the outside looking in, many of these people are my "friends" and I have known them for years. I am having a grand time laughing and chatting with them, drink in hand, right? Wrong. I am pumping them for info and thinking of the bottomline at all times.

So, most of my week is spent working and drumming up work. Then I come home and it's more work. Help out with kids, help make household decisions, drive kids to day care, won't I coach a team. Bake some fucking cookies that some stay at home dingbats requested for a bake sale. I arrive home utterly spent and then I have to put on my mother/wife hat. I love my family, but it is beyond exhausting and DH often complains that I don't do enough.

And now we have arrived at the gym. My sanctuary. This is the only place in the world where I can drop the client-/family-pleasing grin, put on my headphones, and work out my frustrations in peace. I always hated the gym until I was married with kids and a job that was killing me and had nowhere else to turn. Most of my partners drink, drug, cheat, eat, smoke, and engage in other vices to cope. I am not going to let big law and the desire to give my kids a better life kill me. So, I go to the gym. Sometimes I cry on the treadmill. Sometimes I sprint as if I am trying to outrun my life. Sometimes I do squats until I can barely bend my legs. The hour at the gym is the only time I am truly happy.

So, as you can hopefully see, every aspect of my life from the long hours to the twice weekly "hang outs" to the gym has a purpose and is necessary. I bet the same is true for that DH. If the DW is reading this, my advice is to be supportive. He is killing himself for you and your kids. If you keep being greedy and asking for more, he will either drop from a stress-induced heart attack, divorce you, or quit his job. Any of those things means an end to your lifestyle and you can kiss the nice house, vacations, peace of mind you have in your low pay job, and kids' college funds goodbye.


If BigLaw is where you want to be to make it big, then why did you get married and have a family? I would say that to anyone in LigLaw who works like this regardless of gender or anything else. It doesn't make sense to me. Your obvious priority is your job,why add other things to the mix?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP, if this works for you and your family, I am happy for you. Ignore the judgmental posters, sure some folks are happy on 200k and some have the drive and need to make 1mil, to each his own. There is only one thing I would mention, make quality time for your kids and DH when you can, you are doing all this for family and remember to keep that family front and center. Peace!


But....it's not working for her or her family. Or did the big salary part make you miss the bit where, on a daily basis, she is either sobbing on a fucking treadmill or trying to outrun her life?

I'm all for women and working moms killing it at work, but this scenario is just sad. And I find it odd she thinks she this is healthy. The gym time doesn't make up for the fact that she is heading to a bad place physically and mentally, and going to get there soon.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As a big law equity partner and DW, all I can say is that this is either fake or the saddest case I've ever seen.

I'm gonna vote: C) delusional.


(D) -- all of the above. (My bona fides: former Big Law associate, former SAHM, current NGO researcher/editor, married to former Big Law partner who left for academia.)

And, BTW, the Sbarro pizza is just as welcome at the potluck table as the homemade baked ziti -- I know because we always host the potluck -- which is the easiest job of all.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:This kind of jerk is why I left biglaw.

You have a choice, OP. You don't have to work there to have a good lifestyle. You choose to do so and to be neglectful of your family and community. You are not a martyr. You are simply greedy or insecure.





+1000

Get the fuck over yourself, OP. You are not doing god's work here. Do it or don't do it, I don't give a fig, but please, don't be surprised that others aren't keen to bend over backwards to support your fevered quest to....what? Make money you don't need? Line the pockets of corporate execs and share holders? Yeah, worthy goals, those.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jesus. Glad I went small law. I live in a mid-sized city and have been able to put down deep roots in the community. I work 8-5 and coach my kids sports' teams while participating on various boards and community organizations. I'm happy with my 2,500 square foot house in a pleasant neighborhood and my $15k used car.


If you don't live in DC or a similar city, your experiences really aren't relevant. That 2500 sq. ft. home would cost you an arm
and a leg in DC and you probably couldn't afford it on a shitlaw salary.


Bullshit.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This kind of jerk is why I left biglaw.

You have a choice, OP. You don't have to work there to have a good lifestyle. You choose to do so and to be neglectful of your family and community. You are not a martyr. You are simply greedy or insecure.





+1000

Get the fuck over yourself, OP. You are not doing god's work here. Do it or don't do it, I don't give a fig, but please, don't be surprised that others aren't keen to bend over backwards to support your fevered quest to....what? Make money you don't need? Line the pockets of corporate execs and share holders? Yeah, worthy goals, those.


+1

Anonymous
I'm in biglaw trying to make partner too but I like my job. WTF OP.
Anonymous
Stay at home dingbats. LOL.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This kind of jerk is why I left biglaw.

You have a choice, OP. You don't have to work there to have a good lifestyle. You choose to do so and to be neglectful of your family and community. You are not a martyr. You are simply greedy or insecure.





+1000

Get the fuck over yourself, OP. You are not doing god's work here. Do it or don't do it, I don't give a fig, but please, don't be surprised that others aren't keen to bend over backwards to support your fevered quest to....what? Make money you don't need? Line the pockets of corporate execs and share holders? Yeah, worthy goals, those.


+1



+1 you make it sound like your DH has left you no other option because he has a family friendly job. But that just isn't true - you could get a "regular" job maybe in the gov't or in house and make $100-$200K and muddle through and actually be there for your kids and be happy. And your comment about not having connections because you are not jewish just strikes me as strange. I am jewish and have no connections - one doesn't go with the other unless you think that jews secretly run the world.
Anonymous
Wow, how horribly sad. Did you know that you can give your kids a great life without "slavish" devotion to work? Did you know that earning less and actually being around more can work quite nicely? You sound very unhappy.
Anonymous
I have not read all of the responses to this, which I'm sure are amazing, but OP...get off your high horse. I am also a DW in big law (and yes I make more than DH, but he works equally as hard and his career is just as important), on my way to partnership, have no independent book of business, have reasonable hours, am an involved (and I think pretty darn good) mom...so congrats on your 12-14 hour days, exhaustion, and weekend work (that's what you want, right?), but sounds like you just haven't figured out how to find balance in your life. Or maybe you're just wildly inefficient? Who knows. But come back and let us know when you burn out.
Anonymous
OP. Time to go in house.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jesus. Glad I went small law. I live in a mid-sized city and have been able to put down deep roots in the community. I work 8-5 and coach my kids sports' teams while participating on various boards and community organizations. I'm happy with my 2,500 square foot house in a pleasant neighborhood and my $15k used car.


If you don't live in DC or a similar city, your experiences really aren't relevant. That 2500 sq. ft. home would cost you an arm
and a leg in DC and you probably couldn't afford it on a shitlaw salary.


Bullshit.


NP here. This is why I wish this really was DC people posting. A 2 bedroom 700 square foot condo can easily go for 600 or 700k. A 2,500 sq ft house is in the 1.2 and up range. What part of the previous posting do you think is BS?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jesus. Glad I went small law. I live in a mid-sized city and have been able to put down deep roots in the community. I work 8-5 and coach my kids sports' teams while participating on various boards and community organizations. I'm happy with my 2,500 square foot house in a pleasant neighborhood and my $15k used car.


If you don't live in DC or a similar city, your experiences really aren't relevant. That 2500 sq. ft. home would cost you an arm
and a leg in DC and you probably couldn't afford it on a shitlaw salary.


Bullshit.


NP here. This is why I wish this really was DC people posting. A 2 bedroom 700 square foot condo can easily go for 600 or 700k. A 2,500 sq ft house is in the 1.2 and up range. What part of the previous posting do you think is BS?


Is the "BS" poster implying that 2500 is small? Where does she lives, Dallas? Atlanta?
Anonymous
What does it feel like to know the people reading your OP are not admiring or envious of your life but aghast and pitying you?

The money can't be worth it. I know this because my husband makes ~600-750k in finance working 50 hrs. He could make more but only if he took a much more stressful, demanding lob and it's not worth it to us.

Is the money nice? Yes but not to the extent that it's worth 12-14 hour days, being around your kids so little that you call yourself an absentee parent, and crying on the treadmill during your one "happy" hour of the day. You are literally wasting your one shot at life.
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