Game of Thrones

[Anonymous]

Adding my two cents as a person who's read the books since they came out in the 90s and has enjoyed the show from the beginning...

IMO, the books are superior to the show. The show is great, it's done a good job of compressing a huge story into something compelling and fit for the screen. BUT, there are so many areas where it's clear that the story has been adapted by people who aren't quite as careful about the details and characters as GRRM. Littlefinger knows everything about everyone, and yet knows nothing about Ramsay -- he is obsessed with Sansa but then dumps her in Winterfell. Completely against his characterization in the show and books. Dany flying off with Drogon by choice instead of accidentally despite her supposed greater maturity and foresight in the show. Show is enjoyable, but lots of flaws to pick apart that are irritating.

In some ways, simply compressing the characters and timelines hurts, too -- the reason the books feel so epic is that there's a sense that the world is incredibly vast and that everyone (even far-flung people) has their own agenda. The side stories are enriching, especially on re-reads -- Manderly's wedding pies/the Rat King microplot, for example.

Finally: show has no Coldhands, no Lady Stoneheart? I REST MY CASE

Anyway, to the point at hand...next week!

My guesses (not really spoilers, but maybe?)

- Jon is killed by Olly -- probably the final scene for extra drama
- I don't think we'll see Dany at all until next season, but we'll probably see the fallout of her leaving
- Cersei's walk of shame! and ...Ser Robert Strong?
- Battle between Stannis and the Boltons starts...I don't think they'll have time for a big death here though
- Brienne and Pod help Sansa FINALLY
- Arya kills Meryn Trant, kindly-faced man gets pissed at her for not doing her real job with the thin man

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The final scene between Davos (sp?) and Shireen was very sweet. Are we supposed to believe that he knew something horrible would happen to her in his absence?

I doubt he expected this, or he would've stayed, I think.

+1

He might have worried that the whole army/family would be wiped out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Adding my two cents as a person who's read the books since they came out in the 90s and has enjoyed the show from the beginning...

IMO, the books are superior to the show. The show is great, it's done a good job of compressing a huge story into something compelling and fit for the screen. BUT, there are so many areas where it's clear that the story has been adapted by people who aren't quite as careful about the details and characters as GRRM. Littlefinger knows everything about everyone, and yet knows nothing about Ramsay -- he is obsessed with Sansa but then dumps her in Winterfell. Completely against his characterization in the show and books. Dany flying off with Drogon by choice instead of accidentally despite her supposed greater maturity and foresight in the show. Show is enjoyable, but lots of flaws to pick apart that are irritating.

In some ways, simply compressing the characters and timelines hurts, too -- the reason the books feel so epic is that there's a sense that the world is incredibly vast and that everyone (even far-flung people) has their own agenda. The side stories are enriching, especially on re-reads -- Manderly's wedding pies/the Rat King microplot, for example.

Finally: show has no Coldhands, no Lady Stoneheart? I REST MY CASE

Anyway, to the point at hand...next week!

My guesses (not really spoilers, but maybe?)

- Jon is killed by Olly -- probably the final scene for extra drama
- I don't think we'll see Dany at all until next season, but we'll probably see the fallout of her leaving
- Cersei's walk of shame! and ...Ser Robert Strong?
- Battle between Stannis and the Boltons starts...I don't think they'll have time for a big death here though
- Brienne and Pod help Sansa FINALLY
- Arya kills Meryn Trant, kindly-faced man gets pissed at her for not doing her real job with the thin man

I agree with this, except that I think Baelish knows about Ramsay, as does Sansa. It's just the best/only choice in the world of the show, in order to get her back to Winterfell. I'm sure he has plans for killing off Ramsay at some point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Adding my two cents as a person who's read the books since they came out in the 90s and has enjoyed the show from the beginning...

IMO, the books are superior to the show. The show is great, it's done a good job of compressing a huge story into something compelling and fit for the screen. BUT, there are so many areas where it's clear that the story has been adapted by people who aren't quite as careful about the details and characters as GRRM. Littlefinger knows everything about everyone, and yet knows nothing about Ramsay -- he is obsessed with Sansa but then dumps her in Winterfell. Completely against his characterization in the show and books. Dany flying off with Drogon by choice instead of accidentally despite her supposed greater maturity and foresight in the show. Show is enjoyable, but lots of flaws to pick apart that are irritating.

In some ways, simply compressing the characters and timelines hurts, too -- the reason the books feel so epic is that there's a sense that the world is incredibly vast and that everyone (even far-flung people) has their own agenda. The side stories are enriching, especially on re-reads -- Manderly's wedding pies/the Rat King microplot, for example.

Finally: show has no Coldhands, no Lady Stoneheart? I REST MY CASE

Anyway, to the point at hand...next week!

My guesses (not really spoilers, but maybe?)

- Jon is killed by Olly -- probably the final scene for extra drama
- I don't think we'll see Dany at all until next season, but we'll probably see the fallout of her leaving
- Cersei's walk of shame! and ...Ser Robert Strong?
- Battle between Stannis and the Boltons starts...I don't think they'll have time for a big death here though
- Brienne and Pod help Sansa FINALLY
- Arya kills Meryn Trant, kindly-faced man gets pissed at her for not doing her real job with the thin man

I agree with this, except that I think Baelish knows about Ramsay, as does Sansa. It's just the best/only choice in the world of the show, in order to get her back to Winterfell. I'm sure he has plans for killing off Ramsay at some point.

I don't think so. Littlefinger is supposedly a genius at manipulating people, and he couldn't find a way for Sansa (whom he is fiercely protective of because of his lifelong pining for Cat) not to be brutalized by a psychopath? It either makes TV Baelish a dumber, less masterful character, or it makes him much less invested in Sansa as a means to power/person he wants to protect. Plus, he risks losing her (and the whole North) since it sounds from the previews as though she'd rather die than stay in the situation she's in. That's downright stupid, as it completely ruins his plans for the North.

[Anonymous]

I thought Jon Snows status in the books was uncertain. I am sticking with my gut that he's the prince that was promised

[Anonymous]

What I don't get about the show's logic for making the killing of Shireen Stannis's call is, now he has no kids. His wife is barren (isn't she?). So what is he fighting for exactly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I don't get about the show's logic for making the killing of Shireen Stannis's call is, now he has no kids. His wife is barren (isn't she?). So what is he fighting for exactly?

Good question, though I can't remember whether Melisandre has promised future heirs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Adding my two cents as a person who's read the books since they came out in the 90s and has enjoyed the show from the beginning...

IMO, the books are superior to the show. The show is great, it's done a good job of compressing a huge story into something compelling and fit for the screen. BUT, there are so many areas where it's clear that the story has been adapted by people who aren't quite as careful about the details and characters as GRRM. Littlefinger knows everything about everyone, and yet knows nothing about Ramsay -- he is obsessed with Sansa but then dumps her in Winterfell. Completely against his characterization in the show and books. Dany flying off with Drogon by choice instead of accidentally despite her supposed greater maturity and foresight in the show. Show is enjoyable, but lots of flaws to pick apart that are irritating.

In some ways, simply compressing the characters and timelines hurts, too -- the reason the books feel so epic is that there's a sense that the world is incredibly vast and that everyone (even far-flung people) has their own agenda. The side stories are enriching, especially on re-reads -- Manderly's wedding pies/the Rat King microplot, for example.

Finally: show has no Coldhands, no Lady Stoneheart? I REST MY CASE

Anyway, to the point at hand...next week!

My guesses (not really spoilers, but maybe?)

- Jon is killed by Olly -- probably the final scene for extra drama
- I don't think we'll see Dany at all until next season, but we'll probably see the fallout of her leaving
- Cersei's walk of shame! and ...Ser Robert Strong?
- Battle between Stannis and the Boltons starts...I don't think they'll have time for a big death here though
- Brienne and Pod help Sansa FINALLY
- Arya kills Meryn Trant, kindly-faced man gets pissed at her for not doing her real job with the thin man

I agree with this, except that I think Baelish knows about Ramsay, as does Sansa. It's just the best/only choice in the world of the show, in order to get her back to Winterfell. I'm sure he has plans for killing off Ramsay at some point.

I don't think so. Littlefinger is supposedly a genius at manipulating people, and he couldn't find a way for Sansa (whom he is fiercely protective of because of his lifelong pining for Cat) not to be brutalized by a psychopath? It either makes TV Baelish a dumber, less masterful character, or it makes him much less invested in Sansa as a means to power/person he wants to protect. Plus, he risks losing her (and the whole North) since it sounds from the previews as though she'd rather die than stay in the situation she's in. That's downright stupid, as it completely ruins his plans for the North.

He's also in danger of Cersei (before she was imprisoned) realizing that he helped the Bolton's make the alliance with the Starks, switching from the Lannisters. i assume he would think that would put his life in danger, so he couldn't take too strong a stand. He works in the shadows (often with Varys). Nothing direct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Adding my two cents as a person who's read the books since they came out in the 90s and has enjoyed the show from the beginning...

IMO, the books are superior to the show. The show is great, it's done a good job of compressing a huge story into something compelling and fit for the screen. BUT, there are so many areas where it's clear that the story has been adapted by people who aren't quite as careful about the details and characters as GRRM. Littlefinger knows everything about everyone, and yet knows nothing about Ramsay -- he is obsessed with Sansa but then dumps her in Winterfell. Completely against his characterization in the show and books. Dany flying off with Drogon by choice instead of accidentally despite her supposed greater maturity and foresight in the show. Show is enjoyable, but lots of flaws to pick apart that are irritating.

In some ways, simply compressing the characters and timelines hurts, too -- the reason the books feel so epic is that there's a sense that the world is incredibly vast and that everyone (even far-flung people) has their own agenda. The side stories are enriching, especially on re-reads -- Manderly's wedding pies/the Rat King microplot, for example.

Finally: show has no Coldhands, no Lady Stoneheart? I REST MY CASE

Anyway, to the point at hand...next week!

My guesses (not really spoilers, but maybe?)

- Jon is killed by Olly -- probably the final scene for extra drama
- I don't think we'll see Dany at all until next season, but we'll probably see the fallout of her leaving
- Cersei's walk of shame! and ...Ser Robert Strong?
- Battle between Stannis and the Boltons starts...I don't think they'll have time for a big death here though
- Brienne and Pod help Sansa FINALLY
- Arya kills Meryn Trant, kindly-faced man gets pissed at her for not doing her real job with the thin man

Yeah that's a good point about Littlefinger- it does seem out of character. And where's Griff/ Little Griff? The fact that thyve been left out of this season entirely makes me wonder if their storyline peeters out.

One storyline I'm glad they've skipped in the show is the whole Iron Islands Kingsmoot plot. Gawd that was boring.

[Anonymous]

^ I agree. No interest in the Ironborne and the Kingsmoot.

[Anonymous]

Wow, you really called it PP!

[Anonymous]

Lena Headey - nice body - 41 years old - no excuses ladies!

jon snow isn't really dead - I believe melisandre will resurrect him some how (even if it isn't in the same body). I wouldn't mind it if he was dead as I find his character so very boring, but he's too big of a deal to be dead-dead.

How the hell does reek and sansa survive such a massive fall? The snow wasn't thick enough out there - it was still hard ground, yeah?

good riddance stannis.

Danaraeys - back in the hands of the dothraki - kal jhaqo was not her friend before. very interesting.

I wish however if she was dumped by drogon either in asshai (since it hasn't been ons creen yet) or much further north in Ibben.

[Anonymous]

EW article said he cut his hair just after their interview.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lena Headey - nice body - 41 years old - no excuses ladies!

jon snow isn't really dead - I believe melisandre will resurrect him some how (even if it isn't in the same body). I wouldn't mind it if he was dead as I find his character so very boring, but he's too big of a deal to be dead-dead.

How the hell does reek and sansa survive such a massive fall? The snow wasn't thick enough out there - it was still hard ground, yeah?

good riddance stannis.

Danaraeys - back in the hands of the dothraki - kal jhaqo was not her friend before. very interesting.

I wish however if she was dumped by drogon either in asshai (since it hasn't been ons creen yet) or much further north in Ibben.

Did you really need to go there? I agree she looked great - for any age - but come on. Whether or not your boobs sag or you have a stomach pooch or not at 41 post-kid depends on genetics.

[Anonymous]

I hope Jon is resurrected -- but not in a new body!