Lulumon Murder: Apple Store Employees Testimony

[Anonymous]

12:20 - Agreed. If it sounds serious, it is. Also, don't waste public resources crying wolf. You will only discredit yourself.

[Anonymous]

OP here. Perhaps people should be educated about what calling the cops actually means if there's a perception that you are getting involved by calling 911. You really aren't getting involved in any way, your involvement is over as soon as you hang up the phone. I live in Adams Morgan and I've called the cops on so many occasions. I've heard people get shot, I've heard calls for help during fights (some domestic, some not), a mugging during broad daylight ...

[Anonymous]

OMG there is simply no excuse for not calling 911 in the Lululemon case. Why tell the "securty guard" - that probably took longer than walking to the phone and making the call yourself! I don't believe in frivolous lawsuits, but honestly, Murray's parents would be justified in suing these Apple idiots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OMG there is simply no excuse for not calling 911 in the Lululemon case. Why tell the "securty guard" - that probably took longer than walking to the phone and making the call yourself! I don't believe in frivolous lawsuits, but honestly, Murray's parents would be justified in suing these Apple idiots.

Wordy Mc Word!!!
If they felt so concerned that they told the security guard, why not use one of the hundreds of fancy apple devices in the store to text/call 911 once they saw the security did nothing. Besides the security guard is not a cop and he didnt actually hear actually hear anything. It's not like they had to go investigate themselves or give their identity. All they had to freaking do is call 911...not go next door and see what was going on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Haven't had a chance to read all the comments so what I'm saying may be a repeat of what others have said.

I have also been haunted by the testimony of the Apple employees and want to condemn them but rather than spending a lot of time condemning them, we should use this incident to remind ourselves to err on the side of caution in the event something like this happens to us. Sometimes it's hard to know what to do and it's difficult to pick up the phone and call 911. But we should call and deal with the possibility of embarrassment later if it was nothing.

Let's all promise ourselves that we will call.

I'm guessing there's one poster in this thread who won't be taking the pledge. That individual only calls 911 when he or she deems the situation to be an emergency.

[Anonymous]

911 is not the last cup of water in the desert. If the police want you to call for a property crime they definitely qNt you to call in an altercation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the most I heard was an argument, I would not call the police. Even if I heard the sounds of an actual fight between women, I would probably not call the police. I WOULD call the police if I heard someone say/shout "Help me" or if I heard screaming that's associated with pain. (Most people don't scream out during a fist fight).

This, of course, is not Murray's fault AT ALL, but I'm curious why she didn't scream for help rather than plead with psycho Norwood.

Maybe Murray's instincts told her that screaming might make Norwood more aggressive, enraged, crazy than she was in that instance.

Maybe she didn't expect or believe that Norwood was capable of that kind of violence and by the time she realized how dangerous the situation was it was too late to scream (incapacitated). If it had been a stranger, maybe she would have screamed and reacted differently. Or she didn't think there were many people around at that hour? Or Norwood knocked her out first. Wasn't Murray nearly decapitated?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea that 911 is only for life threatening emergencies is wrong. How do I know it? The MoCo police say so:

http://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/content/POL/districts/MSB/communications/911/pdf_files/911_Brochure.pdf

Strangely enough, they don't suggest calling 911 if you see a car that has broken down, or even if you see a man strike a dog.

So . . . what do you recommend when you see a a car broken down/overheated/not running in the middle of the interstate?

Note the mile marker. Most interstates have signs that give the number to call if you see a motorist in distress posted on signs along the road. If you don't see one of those, dial 411 and ask the operator to connect you with the highway patrol non-emergency number. I did call 911 once, when I saw a car in front of me that was weaving way into the oncoming lane on a very twisty country highway. The driver was very clearly intoxicated, and he was about to kill someone.

[Anonymous]

Hate to say my honest opinion but I would not have called 911 in the situation. I am in my mid 20's and walking up and down the street, at night, you hear all kinds of arguments going on. Really, you hear it and walk away. You do not assume that it is a murder and a lot of the times, it ends up not being an argument at all but instead, a group of people just goofing off. To blame the Apple workers is just crazy. No one can say for sure that they could have prevented a murder. Really, hearing the statements they made sounded as if they were moving a really heavy box. Yelps, thuds, "what are you doing?" "help me" etc.... not everyone automatically thinks the worst situation possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven't had a chance to read all the comments so what I'm saying may be a repeat of what others have said.

I have also been haunted by the testimony of the Apple employees and want to condemn them but rather than spending a lot of time condemning them, we should use this incident to remind ourselves to err on the side of caution in the event something like this happens to us. Sometimes it's hard to know what to do and it's difficult to pick up the phone and call 911. But we should call and deal with the possibility of embarrassment later if it was nothing.

Let's all promise ourselves that we will call.

I'm guessing there's one poster in this thread who won't be taking the pledge. That individual only calls 911 when he or she deems the situation to be an emergency.

Apparently you haven't read the thread. No one here has said that they don't think you should call 911 when you hear an altercation - which was the case for the Apple employees. The most anyone has said is that it isn't fair to judge them harshly because you have the benefit of hindsight, and it is easy from your armchair to say what should have been done. Several people have jumped on the woman who said she called 911 for the broken down car and man hitting the dog. There is a huge difference among these situations, so stop putting words in other people's mouths. It is tiresome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven't had a chance to read all the comments so what I'm saying may be a repeat of what others have said.

I have also been haunted by the testimony of the Apple employees and want to condemn them but rather than spending a lot of time condemning them, we should use this incident to remind ourselves to err on the side of caution in the event something like this happens to us. Sometimes it's hard to know what to do and it's difficult to pick up the phone and call 911. But we should call and deal with the possibility of embarrassment later if it was nothing.

Let's all promise ourselves that we will call.

I'm guessing there's one poster in this thread who won't be taking the pledge. That individual only calls 911 when he or she deems the situation to be an emergency.

Apparently you haven't read the thread. No one here has said that they don't think you should call 911 when you hear an altercation - which was the case for the Apple employees. The most anyone has said is that it isn't fair to judge them harshly because you have the benefit of hindsight, and it is easy from your armchair to say what should have been done. Several people have jumped on the woman who said she called 911 for the broken down car and man hitting the dog. There is a huge difference among these situations, so stop putting words in other people's mouths. It is tiresome.

I notice you didn't mention how people also jumped all over her for calling 911 when she saw a woman on the side of the street who appeared off and in need of help. Many of you thought it was not appropriate to call in that instance. I guess you're the same type of people who just assumed my sick dad was just some drunk on the street when he had his brain bleed.

Better safe than sorry - better to make an unnecessary call than not to make the call. Save a life, not your pride. And if 911 is really struggling, then maybe we should demand more resources for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven't had a chance to read all the comments so what I'm saying may be a repeat of what others have said.

I have also been haunted by the testimony of the Apple employees and want to condemn them but rather than spending a lot of time condemning them, we should use this incident to remind ourselves to err on the side of caution in the event something like this happens to us. Sometimes it's hard to know what to do and it's difficult to pick up the phone and call 911. But we should call and deal with the possibility of embarrassment later if it was nothing.

Let's all promise ourselves that we will call.

I'm guessing there's one poster in this thread who won't be taking the pledge. That individual only calls 911 when he or she deems the situation to be an emergency.

Apparently you haven't read the thread. No one here has said that they don't think you should call 911 when you hear an altercation - which was the case for the Apple employees. The most anyone has said is that it isn't fair to judge them harshly because you have the benefit of hindsight, and it is easy from your armchair to say what should have been done. Several people have jumped on the woman who said she called 911 for the broken down car and man hitting the dog. There is a huge difference among these situations, so stop putting words in other people's mouths. It is tiresome.

The chastizing tone of your post is tiresome, for sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven't had a chance to read all the comments so what I'm saying may be a repeat of what others have said.

I have also been haunted by the testimony of the Apple employees and want to condemn them but rather than spending a lot of time condemning them, we should use this incident to remind ourselves to err on the side of caution in the event something like this happens to us. Sometimes it's hard to know what to do and it's difficult to pick up the phone and call 911. But we should call and deal with the possibility of embarrassment later if it was nothing.

Let's all promise ourselves that we will call.

I'm guessing there's one poster in this thread who won't be taking the pledge. That individual only calls 911 when he or she deems the situation to be an emergency.

Apparently you haven't read the thread. No one here has said that they don't think you should call 911 when you hear an altercation - which was the case for the Apple employees. The most anyone has said is that it isn't fair to judge them harshly because you have the benefit of hindsight, and it is easy from your armchair to say what should have been done. Several people have jumped on the woman who said she called 911 for the broken down car and man hitting the dog. There is a huge difference among these situations, so stop putting words in other people's mouths. It is tiresome.

I notice you didn't mention how people also jumped all over her for calling 911 when she saw a woman on the side of the street who appeared off and in need of help. Many of you thought it was not appropriate to call in that instance. I guess you're the same type of people who just assumed my sick dad was just some drunk on the street when he had his brain bleed.

Better safe than sorry - better to make an unnecessary call than not to make the call. Save a life, not your pride. And if 911 is really struggling, then maybe we should demand more resources for it.

Oh come on.... so we should all walk around, on alert and assume that everyone we see is dying or being murdered? Let us all now pledge to put 911 on our speed dial.

[Anonymous]

I have seen "crazy drivers" who were probably having a stroke. Fortunately the police did stop them (so help was hopefully expedited). Really sad. Most adults can tell the difference between frivolous bored neighbor and in need of immediate help. We hope. The former will get theirs, we know. Not everyone is stupid. The latter will get their help, as not everyone is so tuned out, we hope. A shame it has to be one extreme (crazy neighbor) or another ("who me?").

It seems conducive to crowded areas that people become oblivious by choice. I've seen some really pathetic situations first hand that are well, comically bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven't had a chance to read all the comments so what I'm saying may be a repeat of what others have said.

I have also been haunted by the testimony of the Apple employees and want to condemn them but rather than spending a lot of time condemning them, we should use this incident to remind ourselves to err on the side of caution in the event something like this happens to us. Sometimes it's hard to know what to do and it's difficult to pick up the phone and call 911. But we should call and deal with the possibility of embarrassment later if it was nothing.

Let's all promise ourselves that we will call.

I'm guessing there's one poster in this thread who won't be taking the pledge. That individual only calls 911 when he or she deems the situation to be an emergency.

Apparently you haven't read the thread. No one here has said that they don't think you should call 911 when you hear an altercation - which was the case for the Apple employees. The most anyone has said is that it isn't fair to judge them harshly because you have the benefit of hindsight, and it is easy from your armchair to say what should have been done. Several people have jumped on the woman who said she called 911 for the broken down car and man hitting the dog. There is a huge difference among these situations, so stop putting words in other people's mouths. It is tiresome.

I notice you didn't mention how people also jumped all over her for calling 911 when she saw a woman on the side of the street who appeared off and in need of help. Many of you thought it was not appropriate to call in that instance. I guess you're the same type of people who just assumed my sick dad was just some drunk on the street when he had his brain bleed.

Better safe than sorry - better to make an unnecessary call than not to make the call. Save a life, not your pride. And if 911 is really struggling, then maybe we should demand more resources for it.

Oh come on.... so we should all walk around, on alert and assume that everyone we see is dying or being murdered? Let us all now pledge to put 911 on our speed dial.

Really, we get it. Unless you are sure beyond a reasonable doubt that an emergency event is occurring, you won't call 911.