Anti aging and pedophilic patriarchy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are the anti-hair people also against eyebrow grooming and facial hair removal?

You’re so dense. You’re being asked to consider why. Stop being defensive and look at the bigger picture. Look at what we are doing to our children.

Simple question: are you suggesting we should keep our unibrows, mustaches, and chin hairs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 21 yo daughter and all her friends wax everything off. While it’s completely her choice, I do inwardly cringe when I think about how this is the expectation these days. She said she just likes to feel totally clean and not have to worry in her swimsuit, which I totally understand. I’ve always waxed my bikini line, but the idea of taking it *all* off is so extreme to me.

Oh well - it’s her body, not mine.

On the one hand, yes, your daughter and her friends of course get to make their own choices about their bodies.

On the other hadn't, think of how much time and money they will spend on removing all the hair from their bodies so that they can wear whatever skimpy bathing suit is in fashion and "not have to worry."

Think of what they could spend that time and money on instead.

[Anonymous]

It's a little true, but also -

Knowledge and technology keep improving the ways we can preserve youthful looks and organ health. Billionaires have been trying stuff to extend their longevity for a decade now - full body preventative MRIs, for example, that are not available (ie, covered) to the public. Injections, diets, supplements, exercise routines of all kinds. Some of it is real science, some of it is not. But it all trickles down at some point, and now you can get a very affordable two week glucose monitor to track how meals and exercise impact your glycemia, to learn better habits so you can try to prevent diabetes. It's great.

Also, men are doing a lot more cosmetic procedures to look youthful than ever before, even though they are more discreet about it than women. Musk with his hair implants, Tom Cruise and Jim Carrey with their fillers... they don't go on the record with what they did, contrary to Kardashian-levels of openness about cosmetic acts. Men are basically a quarter century behind women on that front.

So all in all, I wouldn't say that it's all down the patriarchy, no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 21 yo daughter and all her friends wax everything off. While it’s completely her choice, I do inwardly cringe when I think about how this is the expectation these days. She said she just likes to feel totally clean and not have to worry in her swimsuit, which I totally understand. I’ve always waxed my bikini line, but the idea of taking it *all* off is so extreme to me.

Oh well - it’s her body, not mine.

On the one hand, yes, your daughter and her friends of course get to make their own choices about their bodies.

On the other hadn't, think of how much time and money they will spend on removing all the hair from their bodies so that they can wear whatever skimpy bathing suit is in fashion and "not have to worry."

Think of what they could spend that time and money on instead.

Nothing of greater value, frankly. Speaking for men everywhere, we appreciate the effort. The low effort ladies can continue to reel in the low effort lads playing dungeons and dragons in their mom's basement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 21 yo daughter and all her friends wax everything off. While it’s completely her choice, I do inwardly cringe when I think about how this is the expectation these days. She said she just likes to feel totally clean and not have to worry in her swimsuit, which I totally understand. I’ve always waxed my bikini line, but the idea of taking it *all* off is so extreme to me.

Oh well - it’s her body, not mine.

I lasered everything off with a home IPL Braun device in my mid-40s, happily married, DH couldn't care less. I do it exactly for the same reason as your 21 year old. I never wanted to wax (pain, and not permanent) or do professional laser or electrolysis (too lazy to go), but I did trim before home IPL became an option.

Youthful and underage are not the same thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 21 yo daughter and all her friends wax everything off. While it’s completely her choice, I do inwardly cringe when I think about how this is the expectation these days. She said she just likes to feel totally clean and not have to worry in her swimsuit, which I totally understand. I’ve always waxed my bikini line, but the idea of taking it *all* off is so extreme to me.

Oh well - it’s her body, not mine.

On the one hand, yes, your daughter and her friends of course get to make their own choices about their bodies.

On the other hadn't, think of how much time and money they will spend on removing all the hair from their bodies so that they can wear whatever skimpy bathing suit is in fashion and "not have to worry."

Think of what they could spend that time and money on instead.

Why do you assume the 21 year old hasn't considered this and deemed it ok to spend money on?

Do you wear any makeup? Dye your hair? Get pedicures? All a waste by someone's standard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are the anti-hair people also against eyebrow grooming and facial hair removal?

You’re so dense. You’re being asked to consider why. Stop being defensive and look at the bigger picture. Look at what we are doing to our children.

Simple question: are you suggesting we should keep our unibrows, mustaches, and chin hairs?

DP but I think people are just suggesting we start asking WHY we do some of this stuff, who it is for, and who benefits.

Today I had an appointment for my ortho, where I had to do some practical physical tests, so I wore workout clothes. It's warm today, so I wanted short sleeves, but I discovered I only had long sleeve or tank workout tops that were clean. The thing about a tank is that when I do these tests at my ortho, I have to reach above my head and stretch my arms out, and people can see my underarms. Now, I shave my underarms. But I just feel sort of uncomfortable about how they look. I have dark hair and pale skin, so even with shaving, there's a little shadow there. If I were at the gym I'd wouldn't worry about it, but I was thinking about being in an office with people looking at my body and watching me do these tests, and I felt uncomfortable about it. I wound up wearing the tank but then wearing a hoody over it, so that I could keep the hoody on for the tests, even though honestly I felt hot in the hoody.

Maybe you never worry about stuff like that, but reread this thread. Hair on women is "masculine", "untidy", "gross." Hairy and beefy thrown around as insults (along with lesbian). Women should be "clean" and "tidy" which means hairless except on their heads.

You can say I'm neurotic for feeling bad about how my *shaved* armpits look due to the fact that I'm a human being who has hair follicles in my armpit, but I look at this conversation and am like "yup, that's exactly why I felt weird about it and didn't want people to see it."

It's worth talking about. I'm not going to stop shaving my armpits (obviously! that would only make me feel worse and more self conscious) but that doesn't mean I don't recognize the way these expectations around how women's bodies are "supposed" to look (which is so different from how our bodies look naturally, especially as we age) can be a prison for us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 21 yo daughter and all her friends wax everything off. While it’s completely her choice, I do inwardly cringe when I think about how this is the expectation these days. She said she just likes to feel totally clean and not have to worry in her swimsuit, which I totally understand. I’ve always waxed my bikini line, but the idea of taking it *all* off is so extreme to me.

Oh well - it’s her body, not mine.

On the one hand, yes, your daughter and her friends of course get to make their own choices about their bodies.

On the other hadn't, think of how much time and money they will spend on removing all the hair from their bodies so that they can wear whatever skimpy bathing suit is in fashion and "not have to worry."

Think of what they could spend that time and money on instead.

Why do you assume the 21 year old hasn't considered this and deemed it ok to spend money on?

Do you wear any makeup? Dye your hair? Get pedicures? All a waste by someone's standard.

I didn't say it was "a waste." I pointed out that this voluntary choice regarding personal grooming is going to cost these women time and money to maintain.

I have spent a ton of money on grooming in my life. Way, way more than my husband, for instance. I would have more money in my retirement accounts and savings accounts now if, like him, I'd just skipped waxing and shaving and dying my hair and getting my nails done and wearing makeup. But I'd also probably be single and childless, whereas he got to skip all those costs and it didn't impact his ability to get married or find someone to have a kid with him.

Why does pointing that out make you mad?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 21 yo daughter and all her friends wax everything off. While it’s completely her choice, I do inwardly cringe when I think about how this is the expectation these days. She said she just likes to feel totally clean and not have to worry in her swimsuit, which I totally understand. I’ve always waxed my bikini line, but the idea of taking it *all* off is so extreme to me.

Oh well - it’s her body, not mine.

On the one hand, yes, your daughter and her friends of course get to make their own choices about their bodies.

On the other hadn't, think of how much time and money they will spend on removing all the hair from their bodies so that they can wear whatever skimpy bathing suit is in fashion and "not have to worry."

Think of what they could spend that time and money on instead.

Nothing of greater value, frankly. Speaking for men everywhere, we appreciate the effort. The low effort ladies can continue to reel in the low effort lads playing dungeons and dragons in their mom's basement.

You seem like such a catch./s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are the anti-hair people also against eyebrow grooming and facial hair removal?

You’re so dense. You’re being asked to consider why. Stop being defensive and look at the bigger picture. Look at what we are doing to our children.

Simple question: are you suggesting we should keep our unibrows, mustaches, and chin hairs?

DP but I think people are just suggesting we start asking WHY we do some of this stuff, who it is for, and who benefits.

Today I had an appointment for my ortho, where I had to do some practical physical tests, so I wore workout clothes. It's warm today, so I wanted short sleeves, but I discovered I only had long sleeve or tank workout tops that were clean. The thing about a tank is that when I do these tests at my ortho, I have to reach above my head and stretch my arms out, and people can see my underarms. Now, I shave my underarms. But I just feel sort of uncomfortable about how they look. I have dark hair and pale skin, so even with shaving, there's a little shadow there. If I were at the gym I'd wouldn't worry about it, but I was thinking about being in an office with people looking at my body and watching me do these tests, and I felt uncomfortable about it. I wound up wearing the tank but then wearing a hoody over it, so that I could keep the hoody on for the tests, even though honestly I felt hot in the hoody.

Maybe you never worry about stuff like that, but reread this thread. Hair on women is "masculine", "untidy", "gross." Hairy and beefy thrown around as insults (along with lesbian). Women should be "clean" and "tidy" which means hairless except on their heads.

You can say I'm neurotic for feeling bad about how my *shaved* armpits look due to the fact that I'm a human being who has hair follicles in my armpit, but I look at this conversation and am like "yup, that's exactly why I felt weird about it and didn't want people to see it."

It's worth talking about. I'm not going to stop shaving my armpits (obviously! that would only make me feel worse and more self conscious) but that doesn't mean I don't recognize the way these expectations around how women's bodies are "supposed" to look (which is so different from how our bodies look naturally, especially as we age) can be a prison for us.

Why can't it just be a personal choice? Men choose whether to shave their faces, just as I choose to get my eyebrows, mustache, and chin hairs threaded. It's how I like to groom myself, much like my husband prefers to shave his face every morning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are the anti-hair people also against eyebrow grooming and facial hair removal?

You’re so dense. You’re being asked to consider why. Stop being defensive and look at the bigger picture. Look at what we are doing to our children.

Simple question: are you suggesting we should keep our unibrows, mustaches, and chin hairs?

DP but I think people are just suggesting we start asking WHY we do some of this stuff, who it is for, and who benefits.

Today I had an appointment for my ortho, where I had to do some practical physical tests, so I wore workout clothes. It's warm today, so I wanted short sleeves, but I discovered I only had long sleeve or tank workout tops that were clean. The thing about a tank is that when I do these tests at my ortho, I have to reach above my head and stretch my arms out, and people can see my underarms. Now, I shave my underarms. But I just feel sort of uncomfortable about how they look. I have dark hair and pale skin, so even with shaving, there's a little shadow there. If I were at the gym I'd wouldn't worry about it, but I was thinking about being in an office with people looking at my body and watching me do these tests, and I felt uncomfortable about it. I wound up wearing the tank but then wearing a hoody over it, so that I could keep the hoody on for the tests, even though honestly I felt hot in the hoody.

Maybe you never worry about stuff like that, but reread this thread. Hair on women is "masculine", "untidy", "gross." Hairy and beefy thrown around as insults (along with lesbian). Women should be "clean" and "tidy" which means hairless except on their heads.

You can say I'm neurotic for feeling bad about how my *shaved* armpits look due to the fact that I'm a human being who has hair follicles in my armpit, but I look at this conversation and am like "yup, that's exactly why I felt weird about it and didn't want people to see it."

It's worth talking about. I'm not going to stop shaving my armpits (obviously! that would only make me feel worse and more self conscious) but that doesn't mean I don't recognize the way these expectations around how women's bodies are "supposed" to look (which is so different from how our bodies look naturally, especially as we age) can be a prison for us.

So you got self-conscious and nervous about how your shaved armpits look and don't want to not shave them because you'd feel equally self-conscious and nervous. Here is a solution: stop worrying about what other people think about your armpits. I guarantee that no one and I mean no one will ever say a word to you about them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 21 yo daughter and all her friends wax everything off. While it’s completely her choice, I do inwardly cringe when I think about how this is the expectation these days. She said she just likes to feel totally clean and not have to worry in her swimsuit, which I totally understand. I’ve always waxed my bikini line, but the idea of taking it *all* off is so extreme to me.

Oh well - it’s her body, not mine.

On the one hand, yes, your daughter and her friends of course get to make their own choices about their bodies.

On the other hadn't, think of how much time and money they will spend on removing all the hair from their bodies so that they can wear whatever skimpy bathing suit is in fashion and "not have to worry."

Think of what they could spend that time and money on instead.

Nothing of greater value, frankly. Speaking for men everywhere, we appreciate the effort. The low effort ladies can continue to reel in the low effort lads playing dungeons and dragons in their mom's basement.

You seem like such a catch./s

I don't know what to tell you. This board is full of dowdy, low effort women acting mystified that they can't trap a "good man". Or saying there are none.

Meanwhile, ladies who dye their hair, exercise a little, like to laugh, and do a little grooming are spoiled for choice. They're easy and fun to be around, and I'm happy to treat them like absolute queens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bikini wax is 100% related to this.

No, I do this because I don't want hairs picking out of my swimsuit. I like being clean and fresh. But you do you.

lol yeah but why does your swimsuit cover such little of your body that hairs inevitably peek out?

DP because we don't live under Taliban rule and I can wear whatever the eff I want. Any other stupid questions?

You are not hearing the questions.

Why are bathing suits getting smaller and smaller such that you need to shave everything off? Who designed these things? Did you come up with the design of these skimpy bathing suits on your own? No, you didn't. You succumbed to the media pushing the itty bitty bikini and now have to shave everything off to wear it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 21 yo daughter and all her friends wax everything off. While it’s completely her choice, I do inwardly cringe when I think about how this is the expectation these days. She said she just likes to feel totally clean and not have to worry in her swimsuit, which I totally understand. I’ve always waxed my bikini line, but the idea of taking it *all* off is so extreme to me.

Oh well - it’s her body, not mine.

On the one hand, yes, your daughter and her friends of course get to make their own choices about their bodies.

On the other hadn't, think of how much time and money they will spend on removing all the hair from their bodies so that they can wear whatever skimpy bathing suit is in fashion and "not have to worry."

Think of what they could spend that time and money on instead.

Why do you assume the 21 year old hasn't considered this and deemed it ok to spend money on?

Do you wear any makeup? Dye your hair? Get pedicures? All a waste by someone's standard.

I didn't say it was "a waste." I pointed out that this voluntary choice regarding personal grooming is going to cost these women time and money to maintain.

I have spent a ton of money on grooming in my life. Way, way more than my husband, for instance. I would have more money in my retirement accounts and savings accounts now if, like him, I'd just skipped waxing and shaving and dying my hair and getting my nails done and wearing makeup. But I'd also probably be single and childless, whereas he got to skip all those costs and it didn't impact his ability to get married or find someone to have a kid with him.

Why does pointing that out make you mad?

Why do women like you assume I'm mad when I point out the inconsistencies in your logic? Is it because you feel ashamed and insecure about the point you're trying to make? What in my statement or questions led you to believe that I'm mad? I get mad at true inequalities in the world. Your personal grooming choices is not something that upsets me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are the anti-hair people also against eyebrow grooming and facial hair removal?

You’re so dense. You’re being asked to consider why. Stop being defensive and look at the bigger picture. Look at what we are doing to our children.

Simple question: are you suggesting we should keep our unibrows, mustaches, and chin hairs?

DP but I think people are just suggesting we start asking WHY we do some of this stuff, who it is for, and who benefits.

Today I had an appointment for my ortho, where I had to do some practical physical tests, so I wore workout clothes. It's warm today, so I wanted short sleeves, but I discovered I only had long sleeve or tank workout tops that were clean. The thing about a tank is that when I do these tests at my ortho, I have to reach above my head and stretch my arms out, and people can see my underarms. Now, I shave my underarms. But I just feel sort of uncomfortable about how they look. I have dark hair and pale skin, so even with shaving, there's a little shadow there. If I were at the gym I'd wouldn't worry about it, but I was thinking about being in an office with people looking at my body and watching me do these tests, and I felt uncomfortable about it. I wound up wearing the tank but then wearing a hoody over it, so that I could keep the hoody on for the tests, even though honestly I felt hot in the hoody.

Maybe you never worry about stuff like that, but reread this thread. Hair on women is "masculine", "untidy", "gross." Hairy and beefy thrown around as insults (along with lesbian). Women should be "clean" and "tidy" which means hairless except on their heads.

You can say I'm neurotic for feeling bad about how my *shaved* armpits look due to the fact that I'm a human being who has hair follicles in my armpit, but I look at this conversation and am like "yup, that's exactly why I felt weird about it and didn't want people to see it."

It's worth talking about. I'm not going to stop shaving my armpits (obviously! that would only make me feel worse and more self conscious) but that doesn't mean I don't recognize the way these expectations around how women's bodies are "supposed" to look (which is so different from how our bodies look naturally, especially as we age) can be a prison for us.

Why can't it just be a personal choice? Men choose whether to shave their faces, just as I choose to get my eyebrows, mustache, and chin hairs threaded. It's how I like to groom myself, much like my husband prefers to shave his face every morning.

? the PP is saying it's a personal choice. This thread is just discussing WHY the standard of beauty is set such that women feel thy need to wax their pubes off (which sounds incredibly painful).