Love Story: JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bassette

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Anonymous wrote:It was not a love story.

Can you elaborate on this?

NP. They fought a lot and his hubris resulted in her death and sibling's death.

Srsly. Her poor parents lost two daughters in a plane crash that should never have happened. He had no business flying a tiny plane in bad weather.

No one tells a Kennedy "no"

Carolyn and Lauren should have refused to get on that plane. So sad.

Yes, THAT was the time to have trouble with the fasteners.

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Anonymous wrote:I know nothing about Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, but I never liked that in photos of the couple, she always sort of stood a little behind JFK Jr and looked doen almost demurely (Meghan Markle used the same stance in the early years of her relationship with Harry). It always seemed fake/posed and like she didn’t view herself an equal.

It was well-known that she hated being photographed. There was a video of her with JFK Jr being hounded by photographers in a parking garage and she just completely shut down. She found the attention so unbearable that she didn't even want to live in NYC after they were married.

How to reconcile this with the posters saying they dated for several years before committing to a monogamous relationship? Wouldn’t she have gotten somewhat used ro being photographed with him, or had enough experience with it to decide that life wasn’t for her?

That's a good question. He dated a lot of famous women before getting serious with Carolyn- Madonna, SJP, and Daryl Hannah who was right before Carolyn. I think she managed to remain anonymous until they got engaged and moved in together. I didn't remember all the details and had to google, but they were engaged in 95 (and she moved in) and secretly married in 96. Apparently they didn't become committed until 94. She could have flown under the radar for a year there, especially since Daryl Hannah was right before her, then Jackie died, and nobody was probably focused on a relatively anonymous employee of Calvin Klein. I think the media just didn't know who Carolyn was until they got engaged. This was all pre-internet, too.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think anyone who was an adult at the time thinks it was a great love story. It’s just Hollywood trying to make money off two beautiful people who died tragically young.

To me it’s like the Wuthering Heights grays now. There were elements that you can pick up on (their obsession with each other) that make it seem like a tragic love story, though the novel was always clearly not.

I think it’s just because they died young and people can’t romanticize things. PS yes I think if they had continued, they would’ve had a really rough time and probably not staying together.

I recently read Brooke shields memoir and she described a date with JFK Jr. that sounds horrible. She was not very nice about it. He wasn’t aggressive or anything, but I think she either felt like she had to sleep with him or something and she acted like he was no great lover.

I do think people are being too hard on his intelligence. I actually thought George was way ahead of its time. I don’t think he was dumb, I just think he was average, but because of his looks and his pedigree, we expected the world from him.

She said he was cold and dismissive once she refused to sleep with him. Despite the public charm, this was a very spoiled guy who was used to getting his way, and who cheated on every girlfriend, bragging about his conquests to his bros. And eventually cheated on Carolyn as well. People give him far too much credit.

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Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that she was extremely late to the airstrip because she spent a couple of hours at the nail salon having the paint color redone several times to match her outfit for the rehearsal dinner.
By the time she finally arrived, it was dark already. They should have just skipped the dinner and waited until the next day to fly to the wedding but he thought they could still arrive in time for dinner even though he had not yet achieved the level of flying by instrument panel. There is no horizon in the darkness. They probably had no idea that they were heading into the water.
Both parties were daft. This is why his mother prohibited him from pursuing flying small aircrafts while she was alive. She understood something about his lack of judgement.

I think any pilot would tell you that it has absolutely nothing to do with her nails. He was the pilot. It’s on him completely. He killed them all with obvious negligence. It would probably be criminal if he had somehow survived.

His plan was to drop Lauren at MV and then he and Carolyn would continue onto Hyannis Port. He turned down a flight instructor who offered to accompany them that afternoon due to the dark/weather. It just seemed like a very ambitious flight plan given his lack of experience, the night, and the hazy weather. A totally preventable tragedy. Their poor families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that she was extremely late to the airstrip because she spent a couple of hours at the nail salon having the paint color redone several times to match her outfit for the rehearsal dinner.
By the time she finally arrived, it was dark already. They should have just skipped the dinner and waited until the next day to fly to the wedding but he thought they could still arrive in time for dinner even though he had not yet achieved the level of flying by instrument panel. There is no horizon in the darkness. They probably had no idea that they were heading into the water.
Both parties were daft. This is why his mother prohibited him from pursuing flying small aircrafts while she was alive. She understood something about his lack of judgement.

I think any pilot would tell you that it has absolutely nothing to do with her nails. He was the pilot. It’s on him completely. He killed them all with obvious negligence. It would probably be criminal if he had somehow survived.

His plan was to drop Lauren at MV and then he and Carolyn would continue onto Hyannis Port. He turned down a flight instructor who offered to accompany them that afternoon due to the dark/weather. It just seemed like a very ambitious flight plan given his lack of experience, the night, and the hazy weather. A totally preventable tragedy. Their poor families.

I'm sure they'll never say but I'd love to know what the girls' mother and surviving sister think of him. I also thought it was a little odd that Jack Schlossberg only mentioned John not Carolyn in his recent comments.

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Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that she was extremely late to the airstrip because she spent a couple of hours at the nail salon having the paint color redone several times to match her outfit for the rehearsal dinner.
By the time she finally arrived, it was dark already. They should have just skipped the dinner and waited until the next day to fly to the wedding but he thought they could still arrive in time for dinner even though he had not yet achieved the level of flying by instrument panel. There is no horizon in the darkness. They probably had no idea that they were heading into the water.
Both parties were daft. This is why his mother prohibited him from pursuing flying small aircrafts while she was alive. She understood something about his lack of judgement.

I think any pilot would tell you that it has absolutely nothing to do with her nails. He was the pilot. It’s on him completely. He killed them all with obvious negligence. It would probably be criminal if he had somehow survived.

His plan was to drop Lauren at MV and then he and Carolyn would continue onto Hyannis Port. He turned down a flight instructor who offered to accompany them that afternoon due to the dark/weather. It just seemed like a very ambitious flight plan given his lack of experience, the night, and the hazy weather. A totally preventable tragedy. Their poor families.

I'm sure they'll never say but I'd love to know what the girls' mother and surviving sister think of him. I also thought it was a little odd that Jack Schlossberg only mentioned John not Carolyn in his recent comments.

I would guess that the Bessettes and Kennedys who signed the monetary settlement had to agree never to publicly discuss their relationship or accident. Jack wouldn't have been a party to that agreement, but the wider Kennedy family has probably all agreed not to discuss Carolyn publicly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that she was extremely late to the airstrip because she spent a couple of hours at the nail salon having the paint color redone several times to match her outfit for the rehearsal dinner.
By the time she finally arrived, it was dark already. They should have just skipped the dinner and waited until the next day to fly to the wedding but he thought they could still arrive in time for dinner even though he had not yet achieved the level of flying by instrument panel. There is no horizon in the darkness. They probably had no idea that they were heading into the water.
Both parties were daft. This is why his mother prohibited him from pursuing flying small aircrafts while she was alive. She understood something about his lack of judgement.

I think any pilot would tell you that it has absolutely nothing to do with her nails. He was the pilot. It’s on him completely. He killed them all with obvious negligence. It would probably be criminal if he had somehow survived.

His plan was to drop Lauren at MV and then he and Carolyn would continue onto Hyannis Port. He turned down a flight instructor who offered to accompany them that afternoon due to the dark/weather. It just seemed like a very ambitious flight plan given his lack of experience, the night, and the hazy weather. A totally preventable tragedy. Their poor families.

I'm sure they'll never say but I'd love to know what the girls' mother and surviving sister think of him. I also thought it was a little odd that Jack Schlossberg only mentioned John not Carolyn in his recent comments.

I would guess that the Bessettes and Kennedys who signed the monetary settlement had to agree never to publicly discuss their relationship or accident. Jack wouldn't have been a party to that agreement, but the wider Kennedy family has probably all agreed not to discuss Carolyn publicly.

And clearly there was a rift between the families. No amount of money will atone for the loss of their daughters, and their treatment in the aftermath. The Kennedys don't seem the type to make any effort to atone beyond the money, and I'm quite sure would have made every effort to get out of that if they had a leg to stand on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"My understanding is that she was extremely late to the airstrip because she spent a couple of hours at the nail salon having the paint color redone several times to match her outfit for the rehearsal dinner.
By the time she finally arrived, it was dark already. They should have just skipped the dinner and waited until the next day to fly to the wedding but he thought they could still arrive in time for dinner even though he had not yet achieved the level of flying by instrument panel. There is no horizon in the darkness. They probably had no idea that they were heading into the water.
Both parties were daft. This is why his mother prohibited him from pursuing flying small aircrafts while she was alive. She understood something about his lack of judgement.
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Not believing this for one second. This does not sound like something she would do AT ALL.

She was apparently late to her own wedding. Very late.

Her wedding was no more than 40 people, all family and close friends. It's not like she kept 200 people crammed into pews at a church in NYC. I doubt anyone cared that much.

[Anonymous]

What is up with that horrible Jackie O accent on Naomi Watts? It's really bizarre.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is up with that horrible Jackie O accent on Naomi Watts? It's really bizarre.

She should have been recast, what an atrocious performance.

[Anonymous]

Also: FWIW, friend attended Brown with JFK Jr. and said he was a nice guy. Flawed/spoiled in sort of an offhand way, yes, but he wasn't a jerk or a bad person, and could be very kind and sensitive. He grew up under enormous pressure and was remarkably well-adjusted given the circumstances. That said, he had no business flying that night - totally arrogant and reckless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Carolyn was a very pretty woman but I never understood the hype behind her personal style.

I think she was just incredibly restrained in her clothes and accessories, and very disciplined about it. She never put a foot wrong or had any misses. And her height, perfect blonde hair, and flawless skin made her stand out. On most other women, perhaps the fashion wouldn't be notable. It's sort of sad because it sounds like she became more and more minimalist in an effort to disappear or not draw any scrutiny.

[Anonymous]

He was always a womanizer, even if he made an effort to tamp it down in the early years of his marriage. Someone made a timeline, with another poster responding there were a lot more 'one-offs' that needed to be added.

In 1991 John dated Daryl. Julie, and possibly Carolyn

In 1992 John dated Julie, Daryl, and Carolyn.

In 1993 John dated Daryl and Carolyn

In 1994, John dated Daryl, Carolyn, Julie, and had a one night stand with a porn star.

In 1995 John dated Carolyn, but 'kept in touch with Julie."

In 1996 John and Carolyn become engaged, then married. John stays in touch with Julie

In summer 1998, John is seeing Julie again according to her friend circle. John is married to Carolyn.

In fall 1998 Carolyn begins her emotional affair.

In Winter 1998- 1999 Carolyn stops sleeping with John.

In July 1999, Julie Baker is seen late at night and again at breakfast with John at the Stanhope Hotel.

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Anonymous wrote:He was always a womanizer, even if he made an effort to tamp it down in the early years of his marriage. Someone made a timeline, with another poster responding there were a lot more 'one-offs' that needed to be added.

In 1991 John dated Daryl. Julie, and possibly Carolyn

In 1992 John dated Julie, Daryl, and Carolyn.

In 1993 John dated Daryl and Carolyn

In 1994, John dated Daryl, Carolyn, Julie, and had a one night stand with a porn star.

In 1995 John dated Carolyn, but 'kept in touch with Julie."

In 1996 John and Carolyn become engaged, then married. John stays in touch with Julie

In summer 1998, John is seeing Julie again according to her friend circle. John is married to Carolyn.

In fall 1998 Carolyn begins her emotional affair.

In Winter 1998- 1999 Carolyn stops sleeping with John.

In July 1999, Julie Baker is seen late at night and again at breakfast with John at the Stanhope Hotel.

Sometime before George magazine cover shoot at offices of George -
John: "Hi, I'm John"
Cindy: "Hi, I'm Cindy".
Publishing assistant: Huge eyeroll

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He was always a womanizer, even if he made an effort to tamp it down in the early years of his marriage. Someone made a timeline, with another poster responding there were a lot more 'one-offs' that needed to be added.

In 1991 John dated Daryl. Julie, and possibly Carolyn

In 1992 John dated Julie, Daryl, and Carolyn.

In 1993 John dated Daryl and Carolyn

In 1994, John dated Daryl, Carolyn, Julie, and had a one night stand with a porn star.

In 1995 John dated Carolyn, but 'kept in touch with Julie."

In 1996 John and Carolyn become engaged, then married. John stays in touch with Julie

In summer 1998, John is seeing Julie again according to her friend circle. John is married to Carolyn.

In fall 1998 Carolyn begins her emotional affair.

In Winter 1998- 1999 Carolyn stops sleeping with John.

In July 1999, Julie Baker is seen late at night and again at breakfast with John at the Stanhope Hotel.

Sometime before George magazine cover shoot at offices of George -
John: "Hi, I'm John"
Cindy: "Hi, I'm Cindy".
Publishing assistant: Huge eyeroll

I kinda doubt it. Cindy Crawford has always been known as intelligent and very professional. There's no way she would be sloppy enough to get involved with JFK Jr.