Love Story: JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bassette

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Anonymous wrote:Daryl Hannah has an opinion piece in NYT today responding to Love Story. Worth a read

Burying the lede. Basically Daryl says the show was absolute trash and not an accurate portrayal at all. She finds it incredibly disrespectful and harmful that they portrayed her as doing Coke off a Kennedy family heirloom. She claims 1 she’s never done Coke and 2 she would never desecrate an heirloom like that.

I thought it was well done.

“A recent tragedy-exploiting television series features a character using my name and presents her as me. The choice to portray her as irritating, self-absorbed, whiny and inappropriate was no accident... The character ‘Daryl Hannah’ portrayed in the series is not even a remotely accurate representation of my life, my conduct or my relationship with John. The actions and behaviors attributed to me are untrue. I have never used cocaine in my life or hosted cocaine-fueled parties. I have never pressured anyone into marriage. I have never desecrated any family heirloom or intruded upon anyone’s private memorial. I have never planted any story in the press. I never compared Jacqueline Onassis’ death to a dog’s. It’s appalling to me that I even have to defend myself against a television show. These are not creative embellishments of personality. They are assertions about conduct — and they are false.” (via The New York Times)
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I take issue with regular people not having 'work' done then. I graduated from HS in 1987 and that year my best friend got a nose job and my second best friend had breast implants. We were middle class kids. These surgeries were kept top-secret.

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^Posted above, this was in Oregon fyi.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Daryl Hannah has an opinion piece in NYT today responding to Love Story. Worth a read

Burying the lede. Basically Daryl says the show was absolute trash and not an accurate portrayal at all. She finds it incredibly disrespectful and harmful that they portrayed her as doing Coke off a Kennedy family heirloom. She claims 1 she’s never done Coke and 2 she would never desecrate an heirloom like that.

I thought it was well done.

“A recent tragedy-exploiting television series features a character using my name and presents her as me. The choice to portray her as irritating, self-absorbed, whiny and inappropriate was no accident... The character ‘Daryl Hannah’ portrayed in the series is not even a remotely accurate representation of my life, my conduct or my relationship with John. The actions and behaviors attributed to me are untrue. I have never used cocaine in my life or hosted cocaine-fueled parties. I have never pressured anyone into marriage. I have never desecrated any family heirloom or intruded upon anyone’s private memorial. I have never planted any story in the press. I never compared Jacqueline Onassis’ death to a dog’s. It’s appalling to me that I even have to defend myself against a television show. These are not creative embellishments of personality. They are assertions about conduct — and they are false.” (via The New York Times)
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She should sue for defamation if they portray her doing drugs which she has never done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I take issue with regular people not having 'work' done then. I graduated from HS in 1987 and that year my best friend got a nose job and my second best friend had breast implants. We were middle class kids. These surgeries were kept top-secret.

I'm the PP who said work wasn't common. Those procedures cost thousands of dollars and were out of reach to the majority of the population, unless you had a doctor who convinced the insurance companies you had a deviated septum and needed the nose job to fix it. You were probobaly not middle class from most people's perspective.

Just compare it to now when EVERYONE is getting work done, including men. And women are starting it in their 20s. My Gen Z DD tells me her generation does "preventative" work. I live in the suburbs and there is a "medspa" on every corner in my town and my neighbors openly talk about their botox, fillers, etc. This is VERY different from the 80s and 90s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Daryl Hannah has an opinion piece in NYT today responding to Love Story. Worth a read

Burying the lede. Basically Daryl says the show was absolute trash and not an accurate portrayal at all. She finds it incredibly disrespectful and harmful that they portrayed her as doing Coke off a Kennedy family heirloom. She claims 1 she’s never done Coke and 2 she would never desecrate an heirloom like that.

I thought it was well done.

“A recent tragedy-exploiting television series features a character using my name and presents her as me. The choice to portray her as irritating, self-absorbed, whiny and inappropriate was no accident... The character ‘Daryl Hannah’ portrayed in the series is not even a remotely accurate representation of my life, my conduct or my relationship with John. The actions and behaviors attributed to me are untrue. I have never used cocaine in my life or hosted cocaine-fueled parties. I have never pressured anyone into marriage. I have never desecrated any family heirloom or intruded upon anyone’s private memorial. I have never planted any story in the press. I never compared Jacqueline Onassis’ death to a dog’s. It’s appalling to me that I even have to defend myself against a television show. These are not creative embellishments of personality. They are assertions about conduct — and they are false.” (via The New York Times)
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She should sue for defamation if they portray her doing drugs which she has never done.

She is absolutely correct that they were just playing her up as a villain without regard for her real personality or candor. I respect the discretion she had had over the years. But jeez, I bet this piece will end up getting more attention for the show, if anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I take issue with regular people not having 'work' done then. I graduated from HS in 1987 and that year my best friend got a nose job and my second best friend had breast implants. We were middle class kids. These surgeries were kept top-secret.

I'm the PP who said work wasn't common. Those procedures cost thousands of dollars and were out of reach to the majority of the population, unless you had a doctor who convinced the insurance companies you had a deviated septum and needed the nose job to fix it. You were probobaly not middle class from most people's perspective.

Just compare it to now when EVERYONE is getting work done, including men. And women are starting it in their 20s. My Gen Z DD tells me her generation does "preventative" work. I live in the suburbs and there is a "medspa" on every corner in my town and my neighbors openly talk about their botox, fillers, etc. This is VERY different from the 80s and 90s.

Spot on. People who were getting teenagers nose jobs and boob jobs in the 80s were not "middle class kids." They were either rich kids whose parents told them they were middle class (I've noticed doctors kids are often like this -- were their parents doctors?) or their families were very trashy and prioritized plastic surgery for their daughters over things like education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I take issue with regular people not having 'work' done then. I graduated from HS in 1987 and that year my best friend got a nose job and my second best friend had breast implants. We were middle class kids. These surgeries were kept top-secret.

I'm the PP who said work wasn't common. Those procedures cost thousands of dollars and were out of reach to the majority of the population, unless you had a doctor who convinced the insurance companies you had a deviated septum and needed the nose job to fix it. You were probobaly not middle class from most people's perspective.

Just compare it to now when EVERYONE is getting work done, including men. And women are starting it in their 20s. My Gen Z DD tells me her generation does "preventative" work. I live in the suburbs and there is a "medspa" on every corner in my town and my neighbors openly talk about their botox, fillers, etc. This is VERY different from the 80s and 90s.

Spot on. People who were getting teenagers nose jobs and boob jobs in the 80s were not "middle class kids." They were either rich kids whose parents told them they were middle class (I've noticed doctors kids are often like this -- were their parents doctors?) or their families were very trashy and prioritized plastic surgery for their daughters over things like education.

DP. Agree with the above. Also, the "work" that people did was kept hush-hush and was intended to make people look like a better version of themselves, such as a smaller nose, etc. It was considered in poor taste to ask someone if they had something done back then. Today, you've got many more people having work done, and they are proud of it and don't mind be asked. Also, it is often "look at me" work that is very obvious and sometimes cartoonish--duck lips, obvious cheek filler, obvious butt injections. I blame FOX and the Kardashians for this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I take issue with regular people not having 'work' done then. I graduated from HS in 1987 and that year my best friend got a nose job and my second best friend had breast implants. We were middle class kids. These surgeries were kept top-secret.

I'm the PP who said work wasn't common. Those procedures cost thousands of dollars and were out of reach to the majority of the population, unless you had a doctor who convinced the insurance companies you had a deviated septum and needed the nose job to fix it. You were probobaly not middle class from most people's perspective.

Just compare it to now when EVERYONE is getting work done, including men. And women are starting it in their 20s. My Gen Z DD tells me her generation does "preventative" work. I live in the suburbs and there is a "medspa" on every corner in my town and my neighbors openly talk about their botox, fillers, etc. This is VERY different from the 80s and 90s.

Spot on. People who were getting teenagers nose jobs and boob jobs in the 80s were not "middle class kids." They were either rich kids whose parents told them they were middle class (I've noticed doctors kids are often like this -- were their parents doctors?) or their families were very trashy and prioritized plastic surgery for their daughters over things like education.

DP. Agree with the above. Also, the "work" that people did was kept hush-hush and was intended to make people look like a better version of themselves, such as a smaller nose, etc. It was considered in poor taste to ask someone if they had something done back then. Today, you've got many more people having work done, and they are proud of it and don't mind be asked. Also, it is often "look at me" work that is very obvious and sometimes cartoonish--duck lips, obvious cheek filler, obvious butt injections. I blame FOX and the Kardashians for this.

being asked.

[Anonymous]

Sandro Nivola apparently does a great job as Calvin Klein.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I take issue with regular people not having 'work' done then. I graduated from HS in 1987 and that year my best friend got a nose job and my second best friend had breast implants. We were middle class kids. These surgeries were kept top-secret.

I'm the PP who said work wasn't common. Those procedures cost thousands of dollars and were out of reach to the majority of the population, unless you had a doctor who convinced the insurance companies you had a deviated septum and needed the nose job to fix it. You were probobaly not middle class from most people's perspective.

Just compare it to now when EVERYONE is getting work done, including men. And women are starting it in their 20s. My Gen Z DD tells me her generation does "preventative" work. I live in the suburbs and there is a "medspa" on every corner in my town and my neighbors openly talk about their botox, fillers, etc. This is VERY different from the 80s and 90s.

Spot on. People who were getting teenagers nose jobs and boob jobs in the 80s were not "middle class kids." They were either rich kids whose parents told them they were middle class (I've noticed doctors kids are often like this -- were their parents doctors?) or their families were very trashy and prioritized plastic surgery for their daughters over things like education.

I was in college in the early 80's. Plastic surgery was rare. We had one girl in our dorm who had had a botched nose job.
I was clueless about plastic surgery and was told that this particular girl's nose job had been botched. Clearly her surgeon had not been good as her nose was mashed in. She really had a bad result. I didn't know anyone who had breast implants. Plastic surgery during that era seemed to be more about repairing your body after accidents.

Jennifer Grey of Dirty Dancing had a nose job during that era. It totally changed her distinctive look and she got very little work after the nose job. She was literally not recognized after the nose job.

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just watched the wedding ep. caroline sure was a B to carolyn. what was her issue? did she want her brother to never marry?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I take issue with regular people not having 'work' done then. I graduated from HS in 1987 and that year my best friend got a nose job and my second best friend had breast implants. We were middle class kids. These surgeries were kept top-secret.

I'm the PP who said work wasn't common. Those procedures cost thousands of dollars and were out of reach to the majority of the population, unless you had a doctor who convinced the insurance companies you had a deviated septum and needed the nose job to fix it. You were probobaly not middle class from most people's perspective.

Just compare it to now when EVERYONE is getting work done, including men. And women are starting it in their 20s. My Gen Z DD tells me her generation does "preventative" work. I live in the suburbs and there is a "medspa" on every corner in my town and my neighbors openly talk about their botox, fillers, etc. This is VERY different from the 80s and 90s.

Spot on. People who were getting teenagers nose jobs and boob jobs in the 80s were not "middle class kids." They were either rich kids whose parents told them they were middle class (I've noticed doctors kids are often like this -- were their parents doctors?) or their families were very trashy and prioritized plastic surgery for their daughters over things like education.

I was in college in the early 80's. Plastic surgery was rare. We had one girl in our dorm who had had a botched nose job.
I was clueless about plastic surgery and was told that this particular girl's nose job had been botched. Clearly her surgeon had not been good as her nose was mashed in. She really had a bad result. I didn't know anyone who had breast implants. Plastic surgery during that era seemed to be more about repairing your body after accidents.

Jennifer Grey of Dirty Dancing had a nose job during that era. It totally changed her distinctive look and she got very little work after the nose job. She was literally not recognized after the nose job.

Same age and memory here. I desperately wanted a nose job, but no way would my middle to upper middle class parents entertain the discussion much less consider paying for something like that. I knew one person who had a nose job the summer after college and she stands out in my memory to this day because it was so unusual (and I went to privste schools, only pointing that piece out because many of my peers’ parents had $ and were doctors in fact).

I still regret not doing it, by the way! By the time I could afford it myself, I was ensconsced in my career and was deterrd because the change would have been obvious.

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Anonymous wrote:Sandro Nivola apparently does a great job as Calvin Klein.

I think the Calvin Klein, Ethel, and Ann Freeman characters are the ones keeping the series watchable.

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I was working in a law firm in the 80s and my memory is that it was rare, also. My only memory of anyone talking about plastic surgery was my much older mil talking about someone she knew who had a face lift. Also, Joan Rivers was known to have had a lot of procedures at that time.