Liam

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the judge's ruling:

"The case has its genesis in the ill-conceived and incompetently-implemented government pursuit of daily deportation quotas, apparently even if it requires traumatizing children."

I wonder if the judge has evidence of these daily deportation quotas? I have heard it rumored but don't know if there is proof? Someone familiar with ICE says that agents need to capture 8 bodies per day on average, in order to get their $10,000 bonus each year.

"Ultimately, Petitioners may, because of the arcane United States immigration system, return to their home country, involuntarily or by self deportation. But that result should occur through a more orderly and human process than currently in place."

Thank you judge, for saying this.

Ok, but….
What does this more orderly and human process look like?

First of all, no more quotas or bonuses for agents.
Secondly, agents need to only detain people when they have a judicial warrant.
Keep detainees close to their homes and families.
Preserve the consitutional rights of all people (whether citizen or not) and agents need to be investigated and punished if they violate the constitution, same as every other law enforcement officer.

Lol typical liberal bs, everyone gets a bonus. There is nothing wrong with performance based bonus and with 14 million illegal aliens in the us 8 a week is not fast enough.

How about summary execution of you violate someone's constitutional rights while achieving your bonus?

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Illegals over citizens good idea. Will he hand pickup back and Hispanic citizens or just illegals

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the judge's ruling:

"The case has its genesis in the ill-conceived and incompetently-implemented government pursuit of daily deportation quotas, apparently even if it requires traumatizing children."

I wonder if the judge has evidence of these daily deportation quotas? I have heard it rumored but don't know if there is proof? Someone familiar with ICE says that agents need to capture 8 bodies per day on average, in order to get their $10,000 bonus each year.

"Ultimately, Petitioners may, because of the arcane United States immigration system, return to their home country, involuntarily or by self deportation. But that result should occur through a more orderly and human process than currently in place."

Thank you judge, for saying this.

Ok, but….
What does this more orderly and human process look like?

First of all, no more quotas or bonuses for agents.
Secondly, agents need to only detain people when they have a judicial warrant.
Keep detainees close to their homes and families.
Preserve the consitutional rights of all people (whether citizen or not) and agents need to be investigated and punished if they violate the constitution, same as every other law enforcement officer.

Lol typical liberal bs, everyone gets a bonus. There is nothing wrong with performance based bonus and with 14 million illegal aliens in the us 8 a week is not fast enough.

As it turns out, there IS something wrong with performance bonuses in this case. It leads to ICE agents brutality, the violation of the Constitution, and sometimes even the death of American citizens. Performance bonuses may be great for the sales team or your small business. But it is all wrong here!

I am cool with 10k payout to us citizens reporting illegals

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

First of all, no more quotas or bonuses for agents.
Secondly, agents need to only detain people when they have a judicial warrant.
Keep detainees close to their homes and families.
Preserve the consitutional rights of all people (whether citizen or not) and agents need to be investigated and punished if they violate the constitution, same as every other law enforcement officer.

1. Agree
2. Maybe
3. Yes, but will you support the construction or expansion of such facilities in your probably urban/suburban area so that the detainees can be close to their families and legal support? Because many blue states are trying to keep these facilities out. Then the detainees end up in places like Alabama or Lumpkin, GA in the middle of nowhere with little opportunity for legal support. So the libs can pat themselves on the back how they are such good people for not allowing these to be built in their county or state.
4. Agree

Furthermore, if all of these are achieved, there will still be some sad situations. Are you gonna be OK with that or should we never deport any noncriminal because it makes people sad?

If agents just detain people for whom they have a judicial warrant (meaning there is some evidence they should be detained, not just picking people up because they speak with an accent) that should significantly decrease the number of people who need a place in a local detention center.

I am very concerned about these privately run detainment centers. I believe there is MASSIVE grift going on. The administration is paying these privately owned detainment centers money each day for the bodies they send to meet their performance quotas. And people are being kept there for a long time, to keep capacity (and thus billing) at its maximum.

People are upset about Somalian run daycare centers and federal funding fraud? Please look at the massive grift that is happening with these detainment centers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Furthermore, if all of these are achieved, there will still be some sad situations. Are you gonna be OK with that or should we never deport any noncriminal because it makes people sad?

I appreciate that you agreed with me on most of my points. It indicates to me that you do not have an entirely closed mind.

I encourage you to recognize that people are not protesting the detainment of children because "it makes us feel sad". That really misses the point.

As the judge made clear in his ruling, Liam’s detention was wrong in fundamental ways. It was unconstitutional. It involved an illegal seizure without a valid warrant and a denial of habeas corpus. It was also a human rights violation. Arbitrarily detaining a child and inflicting trauma is never acceptable. And it was morally indefensible, driven by enforcement quotas and an abuse of power rather than justice or public safety.

The judge also pointed out that this detainment wasn't just "sad". It reflected authoritarian practices the U.S. was founded to reject. The judge explicitly invoked the Declaration of Independence. He drew parallels between this conduct and the abuses committed by a tyrannical government such as swarms of officers harassing people and armed agents acting without civilian oversight. He also pointed out that we now have standing enforcement forces, operating in peacetime without consent of the citizens. These actions of unchecked state power are exactly the behaviors American colonists rebelled against in the Revolutionary War.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26708008-us-district-judge-fred-bierys-opinion-ordering-release-of-5-year-old-liam-arias-and-father

So no, PP, we are not protesting because "we feel sad" although for sure the sad boy and his adormable bunny hat created a great deal of sympathy. So much so, I want to buy each one of my immigrant ESOL students a bunny hat to wear from now on, just in case they get caught up in a raid and need people to protest. You shouldn't need to be cute to gain empathy but I will take moral outrage wherever I can get it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I am cool with 10k payout to us citizens reporting illegals

Did you see that comedian who created a fake website to report illegal immigrants? He has a recording of the NASTIEST woman who called in to report all her Uber drivers because they didn't seem to speak English.

And another one reporting Publix employees for not speaking English.

And another one reporting her neighbor for looking suspicious. And brown.

You remind me of them.


https://www.reddit.com/r/EyesOnIce/comments/1qijpii/a_fake_website_to_report_suspected_undocumented


https://www.reddit.com/r/HumorInPoorTaste/comments/1qqper4/ben_palmer_man_his_content_is_hilarious_and_even

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I am cool with 10k payout to us citizens reporting illegals

Did you see that comedian who created a fake website to report illegal immigrants? He has a recording of the NASTIEST woman who called in to report all her Uber drivers because they didn't seem to speak English.

And another one reporting Publix employees for not speaking English.

And another one reporting her neighbor for looking suspicious. And brown.

You remind me of them.


https://www.reddit.com/r/EyesOnIce/comments/1qijpii/a_fake_website_to_report_suspected_undocumented


https://www.reddit.com/r/HumorInPoorTaste/comments/1qqper4/ben_palmer_man_his_content_is_hilarious_and_even

Yes and dhs can figure out if they are legit

[Anonymous]

"Some very kind pilots on the @delta flight from San Antonio - Minneapolis today. 5 year old, Liam Conejo Ramos was in Heaven. What a difference 24 hours make. From DHS detention in Texas - to this. Being a kid again. And now, Liam is home again."

Video at link:

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/18BQFWZnX2/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Illegals over citizens good idea. Will he hand pickup back and Hispanic citizens or just illegals

Except they aren't illegals. They have a pending asylum case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

First of all, no more quotas or bonuses for agents.
Secondly, agents need to only detain people when they have a judicial warrant.
Keep detainees close to their homes and families.
Preserve the consitutional rights of all people (whether citizen or not) and agents need to be investigated and punished if they violate the constitution, same as every other law enforcement officer.

1. Agree
2. Maybe
3. Yes, but will you support the construction or expansion of such facilities in your probably urban/suburban area so that the detainees can be close to their families and legal support? Because many blue states are trying to keep these facilities out. Then the detainees end up in places like Alabama or Lumpkin, GA in the middle of nowhere with little opportunity for legal support. So the libs can pat themselves on the back how they are such good people for not allowing these to be built in their county or state.
4. Agree

Furthermore, if all of these are achieved, there will still be some sad situations. Are you gonna be OK with that or should we never deport any noncriminal because it makes people sad?

If agents just detain people for whom they have a judicial warrant (meaning there is some evidence they should be detained, not just picking people up because they speak with an accent) that should significantly decrease the number of people who need a place in a local detention center.

I am very concerned about these privately run detainment centers. I believe there is MASSIVE grift going on. The administration is paying these privately owned detainment centers money each day for the bodies they send to meet their performance quotas. And people are being kept there for a long time, to keep capacity (and thus billing) at its maximum.

People are upset about Somalian run daycare centers and federal funding fraud? Please look at the massive grift that is happening with these detainment centers.

If I came here illegally via southern border crossing undetected, how would ICE know about me to obtain a warrant? If I'm in the car with someone who ICE is after, then I could be detained as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

First of all, no more quotas or bonuses for agents.
Secondly, agents need to only detain people when they have a judicial warrant.
Keep detainees close to their homes and families.
Preserve the consitutional rights of all people (whether citizen or not) and agents need to be investigated and punished if they violate the constitution, same as every other law enforcement officer.

1. Agree
2. Maybe
3. Yes, but will you support the construction or expansion of such facilities in your probably urban/suburban area so that the detainees can be close to their families and legal support? Because many blue states are trying to keep these facilities out. Then the detainees end up in places like Alabama or Lumpkin, GA in the middle of nowhere with little opportunity for legal support. So the libs can pat themselves on the back how they are such good people for not allowing these to be built in their county or state.
4. Agree

Furthermore, if all of these are achieved, there will still be some sad situations. Are you gonna be OK with that or should we never deport any noncriminal because it makes people sad?

If agents just detain people for whom they have a judicial warrant (meaning there is some evidence they should be detained, not just picking people up because they speak with an accent) that should significantly decrease the number of people who need a place in a local detention center.

I am very concerned about these privately run detainment centers. I believe there is MASSIVE grift going on. The administration is paying these privately owned detainment centers money each day for the bodies they send to meet their performance quotas. And people are being kept there for a long time, to keep capacity (and thus billing) at its maximum.

People are upset about Somalian run daycare centers and federal funding fraud? Please look at the massive grift that is happening with these detainment centers.

If I came here illegally via southern border crossing undetected, how would ICE know about me to obtain a warrant? If I'm in the car with someone who ICE is after, then I could be detained as well.

If no one knows about you? That means you aren’t terribly scary or harmful. Deport the actual bad guys. Require documentation of legal status for all federal aid, sure. Investigate anyone applying for federal aid to see if their documentation is up to date and correct.

You can even investigate employers to be sure they are correctly screening their employees for permission to work. But stop coming down heavily on random people just to see what you find.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the judge's ruling:

"The case has its genesis in the ill-conceived and incompetently-implemented government pursuit of daily deportation quotas, apparently even if it requires traumatizing children."

I wonder if the judge has evidence of these daily deportation quotas? I have heard it rumored but don't know if there is proof? Someone familiar with ICE says that agents need to capture 8 bodies per day on average, in order to get their $10,000 bonus each year.

"Ultimately, Petitioners may, because of the arcane United States immigration system, return to their home country, involuntarily or by self deportation. But that result should occur through a more orderly and human process than currently in place."

Thank you judge, for saying this.

Ok, but….
What does this more orderly and human process look like?

First of all, no more quotas or bonuses for agents.
Secondly, agents need to only detain people when they have a judicial warrant.
Keep detainees close to their homes and families.
Preserve the consitutional rights of all people (whether citizen or not) and agents need to be investigated and punished if they violate the constitution, same as every other law enforcement officer.

Lol typical liberal bs, everyone gets a bonus. There is nothing wrong with performance based bonus and with 14 million illegal aliens in the us 8 a week is not fast enough.

As it turns out, there IS something wrong with performance bonuses in this case. It leads to ICE agents brutality, the violation of the Constitution, and sometimes even the death of American citizens. Performance bonuses may be great for the sales team or your small business. But it is all wrong here!

I am cool with 10k payout to us citizens reporting illegals

Honest question. In a country with so many different races and ethnicities, how will you know when someone is an "illegal." How can you tell?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the judge's ruling:

"The case has its genesis in the ill-conceived and incompetently-implemented government pursuit of daily deportation quotas, apparently even if it requires traumatizing children."

I wonder if the judge has evidence of these daily deportation quotas? I have heard it rumored but don't know if there is proof? Someone familiar with ICE says that agents need to capture 8 bodies per day on average, in order to get their $10,000 bonus each year.

"Ultimately, Petitioners may, because of the arcane United States immigration system, return to their home country, involuntarily or by self deportation. But that result should occur through a more orderly and human process than currently in place."

Thank you judge, for saying this.

Ok, but….
What does this more orderly and human process look like?

First of all, no more quotas or bonuses for agents.
Secondly, agents need to only detain people when they have a judicial warrant.
Keep detainees close to their homes and families.
Preserve the consitutional rights of all people (whether citizen or not) and agents need to be investigated and punished if they violate the constitution, same as every other law enforcement officer.

Lol typical liberal bs, everyone gets a bonus. There is nothing wrong with performance based bonus and with 14 million illegal aliens in the us 8 a week is not fast enough.

As it turns out, there IS something wrong with performance bonuses in this case. It leads to ICE agents brutality, the violation of the Constitution, and sometimes even the death of American citizens. Performance bonuses may be great for the sales team or your small business. But it is all wrong here!

I am cool with 10k payout to us citizens reporting illegals

Honest question. In a country with so many different races and ethnicities, how will you know when someone is an "illegal." How can you tell?

It's mainly about the brown people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

First of all, no more quotas or bonuses for agents.
Secondly, agents need to only detain people when they have a judicial warrant.
Keep detainees close to their homes and families.
Preserve the consitutional rights of all people (whether citizen or not) and agents need to be investigated and punished if they violate the constitution, same as every other law enforcement officer.

1. Agree
2. Maybe
3. Yes, but will you support the construction or expansion of such facilities in your probably urban/suburban area so that the detainees can be close to their families and legal support? Because many blue states are trying to keep these facilities out. Then the detainees end up in places like Alabama or Lumpkin, GA in the middle of nowhere with little opportunity for legal support. So the libs can pat themselves on the back how they are such good people for not allowing these to be built in their county or state.
4. Agree

Furthermore, if all of these are achieved, there will still be some sad situations. Are you gonna be OK with that or should we never deport any noncriminal because it makes people sad?

If agents just detain people for whom they have a judicial warrant (meaning there is some evidence they should be detained, not just picking people up because they speak with an accent) that should significantly decrease the number of people who need a place in a local detention center.

I am very concerned about these privately run detainment centers. I believe there is MASSIVE grift going on. The administration is paying these privately owned detainment centers money each day for the bodies they send to meet their performance quotas. And people are being kept there for a long time, to keep capacity (and thus billing) at its maximum.

People are upset about Somalian run daycare centers and federal funding fraud? Please look at the massive grift that is happening with these detainment centers.

If I came here illegally via southern border crossing undetected, how would ICE know about me to obtain a warrant? If I'm in the car with someone who ICE is after, then I could be detained as well.

If no one knows about you? That means you aren’t terribly scary or harmful. Deport the actual bad guys. Require documentation of legal status for all federal aid, sure. Investigate anyone applying for federal aid to see if their documentation is up to date and correct.

You can even investigate employers to be sure they are correctly screening their employees for permission to work. But stop coming down heavily on random people just to see what you find.

Some employers are using e-verify and not catching people because they are using stolen IDs.

If I am in the car in the above scenario then I should be detained if necessary. Send a clear message that illegal immigration will not be tolerated. What is so difficult about that?

Also, know that schools receive federal funding for things such as school lunches. Are you in favor of verifying status to enroll?