Liam

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Anonymous wrote:From the judge's ruling:

"The case has its genesis in the ill-conceived and incompetently-implemented government pursuit of daily deportation quotas, apparently even if it requires traumatizing children."

I wonder if the judge has evidence of these daily deportation quotas? I have heard it rumored but don't know if there is proof? Someone familiar with ICE says that agents need to capture 8 bodies per day on average, in order to get their $10,000 bonus each year.

"Ultimately, Petitioners may, because of the arcane United States immigration system, return to their home country, involuntarily or by self deportation. But that result should occur through a more orderly and human process than currently in place."

Thank you judge, for saying this.

Ok, but….
What does this more orderly and human process look like?

First of all, no more quotas or bonuses for agents.
Secondly, agents need to only detain people when they have a judicial warrant.
Keep detainees close to their homes and families.
Preserve the consitutional rights of all people (whether citizen or not) and agents need to be investigated and punished if they violate the constitution, same as every other law enforcement officer.

Lol typical liberal bs, everyone gets a bonus. There is nothing wrong with performance based bonus and with 14 million illegal aliens in the us 8 a week is not fast enough.

As it turns out, there IS something wrong with performance bonuses in this case. It leads to ICE agents brutality, the violation of the Constitution, and sometimes even the death of American citizens. Performance bonuses may be great for the sales team or your small business. But it is all wrong here!

I am cool with 10k payout to us citizens reporting illegals

Are you gonna go around your area demanding that brown people show you their papers? How very Nazi-ish of you. Or actually very Soviet-like too!

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Furthermore, if all of these are achieved, there will still be some sad situations. Are you gonna be OK with that or should we never deport any noncriminal because it makes people sad?

I appreciate that you agreed with me on most of my points. It indicates to me that you do not have an entirely closed mind.

I encourage you to recognize that people are not protesting the detainment of children because "it makes us feel sad". That really misses the point.

As the judge made clear in his ruling, Liam’s detention was wrong in fundamental ways. It was unconstitutional. It involved an illegal seizure without a valid warrant and a denial of habeas corpus. It was also a human rights violation. Arbitrarily detaining a child and inflicting trauma is never acceptable. And it was morally indefensible, driven by enforcement quotas and an abuse of power rather than justice or public safety.

The judge also pointed out that this detainment wasn't just "sad". It reflected authoritarian practices the U.S. was founded to reject. The judge explicitly invoked the Declaration of Independence. He drew parallels between this conduct and the abuses committed by a tyrannical government such as swarms of officers harassing people and armed agents acting without civilian oversight. He also pointed out that we now have standing enforcement forces, operating in peacetime without consent of the citizens. These actions of unchecked state power are exactly the behaviors American colonists rebelled against in the Revolutionary War.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26708008-us-district-judge-fred-bierys-opinion-ordering-release-of-5-year-old-liam-arias-and-father

So no, PP, we are not protesting because "we feel sad" although for sure the sad boy and his adormable bunny hat created a great deal of sympathy. So much so, I want to buy each one of my immigrant ESOL students a bunny hat to wear from now on, just in case they get caught up in a raid and need people to protest. You shouldn't need to be cute to gain empathy but I will take moral outrage wherever I can get it.

Thank you. Very well put.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Some very kind pilots on the @delta flight from San Antonio - Minneapolis today. 5 year old, Liam Conejo Ramos was in Heaven. What a difference 24 hours make. From DHS detention in Texas - to this. Being a kid again. And now, Liam is home again."

Video at link:

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/18BQFWZnX2/

The poor kid looks so traumatized.

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First of all, no more quotas or bonuses for agents.
Secondly, agents need to only detain people when they have a judicial warrant.
Keep detainees close to their homes and families.
Preserve the consitutional rights of all people (whether citizen or not) and agents need to be investigated and punished if they violate the constitution, same as every other law enforcement officer.

1. Agree
2. Maybe
3. Yes, but will you support the construction or expansion of such facilities in your probably urban/suburban area so that the detainees can be close to their families and legal support? Because many blue states are trying to keep these facilities out. Then the detainees end up in places like Alabama or Lumpkin, GA in the middle of nowhere with little opportunity for legal support. So the libs can pat themselves on the back how they are such good people for not allowing these to be built in their county or state.
4. Agree

Furthermore, if all of these are achieved, there will still be some sad situations. Are you gonna be OK with that or should we never deport any noncriminal because it makes people sad?

If agents just detain people for whom they have a judicial warrant (meaning there is some evidence they should be detained, not just picking people up because they speak with an accent) that should significantly decrease the number of people who need a place in a local detention center.

I am very concerned about these privately run detainment centers. I believe there is MASSIVE grift going on. The administration is paying these privately owned detainment centers money each day for the bodies they send to meet their performance quotas. And people are being kept there for a long time, to keep capacity (and thus billing) at its maximum.

People are upset about Somalian run daycare centers and federal funding fraud? Please look at the massive grift that is happening with these detainment centers.

If I came here illegally via southern border crossing undetected, how would ICE know about me to obtain a warrant? If I'm in the car with someone who ICE is after, then I could be detained as well.

If no one knows about you? That means you aren’t terribly scary or harmful. Deport the actual bad guys. Require documentation of legal status for all federal aid, sure. Investigate anyone applying for federal aid to see if their documentation is up to date and correct.

You can even investigate employers to be sure they are correctly screening their employees for permission to work. But stop coming down heavily on random people just to see what you find.

Some employers are using e-verify and not catching people because they are using stolen IDs.

If I am in the car in the above scenario then I should be detained if necessary. Send a clear message that illegal immigration will not be tolerated. What is so difficult about that?

Also, know that schools receive federal funding for things such as school lunches. Are you in favor of verifying status to enroll?

ICE is operating under the quotas imposed by Trump himself. People are not just 'detained'. The agents have incentive to arrest people because that counts for their quota whether they are here illegally or not. People/Americans/immigrants (legal and otherwise) are arrested and sent to facilities/camps and held until they can produce x papers/documents. This is a violation of the fourth amendment and possibly 8th amendment. That is what is 'difficult' about that. The presence of people here illegally does not give the feds the right to violate these rights much less normalize their violation.

As for kids getting free food at schools - I will maybe care about that after Trump and his family and other criminal hanger-ons who are in charge of our country and profiting off of all of us to the tune of billions are GONE and hopefully in prison.

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First of all, no more quotas or bonuses for agents.
Secondly, agents need to only detain people when they have a judicial warrant.
Keep detainees close to their homes and families.
Preserve the consitutional rights of all people (whether citizen or not) and agents need to be investigated and punished if they violate the constitution, same as every other law enforcement officer.

1. Agree
2. Maybe
3. Yes, but will you support the construction or expansion of such facilities in your probably urban/suburban area so that the detainees can be close to their families and legal support? Because many blue states are trying to keep these facilities out. Then the detainees end up in places like Alabama or Lumpkin, GA in the middle of nowhere with little opportunity for legal support. So the libs can pat themselves on the back how they are such good people for not allowing these to be built in their county or state.
4. Agree

Furthermore, if all of these are achieved, there will still be some sad situations. Are you gonna be OK with that or should we never deport any noncriminal because it makes people sad?

If agents just detain people for whom they have a judicial warrant (meaning there is some evidence they should be detained, not just picking people up because they speak with an accent) that should significantly decrease the number of people who need a place in a local detention center.

I am very concerned about these privately run detainment centers. I believe there is MASSIVE grift going on. The administration is paying these privately owned detainment centers money each day for the bodies they send to meet their performance quotas. And people are being kept there for a long time, to keep capacity (and thus billing) at its maximum.

People are upset about Somalian run daycare centers and federal funding fraud? Please look at the massive grift that is happening with these detainment centers.

If I came here illegally via southern border crossing undetected, how would ICE know about me to obtain a warrant? If I'm in the car with someone who ICE is after, then I could be detained as well.

If no one knows about you? That means you aren’t terribly scary or harmful. Deport the actual bad guys. Require documentation of legal status for all federal aid, sure. Investigate anyone applying for federal aid to see if their documentation is up to date and correct.

You can even investigate employers to be sure they are correctly screening their employees for permission to work. But stop coming down heavily on random people just to see what you find.

Some employers are using e-verify and not catching people because they are using stolen IDs.

If I am in the car in the above scenario then I should be detained if necessary. Send a clear message that illegal immigration will not be tolerated. What is so difficult about that?

Also, know that schools receive federal funding for things such as school lunches. Are you in favor of verifying status to enroll?

ICE is operating under the quotas imposed by Trump himself. People are not just 'detained'. The agents have incentive to arrest people because that counts for their quota whether they are here illegally or not. People/Americans/immigrants (legal and otherwise) are arrested and sent to facilities/camps and held until they can produce x papers/documents. This is a violation of the fourth amendment and possibly 8th amendment. That is what is 'difficult' about that. The presence of people here illegally does not give the feds the right to violate these rights much less normalize their violation.

As for kids getting free food at schools - I will maybe care about that after Trump and his family and other criminal hanger-ons who are in charge of our country and profiting off of all of us to the tune of billions are GONE and hopefully in prison.

^ not to mention ICE agents are wearing masks while 'detaining' people. This is not proper law enforcement protocol. They are operating outside the bounds of legality themselves.

Please take the time to read what the judge said in this order releasing Liam:

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Anonymous wrote:

First of all, no more quotas or bonuses for agents.
Secondly, agents need to only detain people when they have a judicial warrant.
Keep detainees close to their homes and families.
Preserve the consitutional rights of all people (whether citizen or not) and agents need to be investigated and punished if they violate the constitution, same as every other law enforcement officer.

1. Agree
2. Maybe
3. Yes, but will you support the construction or expansion of such facilities in your probably urban/suburban area so that the detainees can be close to their families and legal support? Because many blue states are trying to keep these facilities out. Then the detainees end up in places like Alabama or Lumpkin, GA in the middle of nowhere with little opportunity for legal support. So the libs can pat themselves on the back how they are such good people for not allowing these to be built in their county or state.
4. Agree

Furthermore, if all of these are achieved, there will still be some sad situations. Are you gonna be OK with that or should we never deport any noncriminal because it makes people sad?

If agents just detain people for whom they have a judicial warrant (meaning there is some evidence they should be detained, not just picking people up because they speak with an accent) that should significantly decrease the number of people who need a place in a local detention center.

I am very concerned about these privately run detainment centers. I believe there is MASSIVE grift going on. The administration is paying these privately owned detainment centers money each day for the bodies they send to meet their performance quotas. And people are being kept there for a long time, to keep capacity (and thus billing) at its maximum.

People are upset about Somalian run daycare centers and federal funding fraud? Please look at the massive grift that is happening with these detainment centers.

If I came here illegally via southern border crossing undetected, how would ICE know about me to obtain a warrant? If I'm in the car with someone who ICE is after, then I could be detained as well.

If no one knows about you? That means you aren’t terribly scary or harmful. Deport the actual bad guys. Require documentation of legal status for all federal aid, sure. Investigate anyone applying for federal aid to see if their documentation is up to date and correct.

You can even investigate employers to be sure they are correctly screening their employees for permission to work. But stop coming down heavily on random people just to see what you find.

Some employers are using e-verify and not catching people because they are using stolen IDs.

If I am in the car in the above scenario then I should be detained if necessary. Send a clear message that illegal immigration will not be tolerated. What is so difficult about that?

Also, know that schools receive federal funding for things such as school lunches. Are you in favor of verifying status to enroll?

ICE is operating under the quotas imposed by Trump himself. People are not just 'detained'. The agents have incentive to arrest people because that counts for their quota whether they are here illegally or not. People/Americans/immigrants (legal and otherwise) are arrested and sent to facilities/camps and held until they can produce x papers/documents. This is a violation of the fourth amendment and possibly 8th amendment. That is what is 'difficult' about that. The presence of people here illegally does not give the feds the right to violate these rights much less normalize their violation.

As for kids getting free food at schools - I will maybe care about that after Trump and his family and other criminal hanger-ons who are in charge of our country and profiting off of all of us to the tune of billions are GONE and hopefully in prison.

I was talking about my case above. ICE has authority to detain me and ask for papers if they have reason to suspect I am here illegally. Being in the car with someone who is also here illegally would be reason enough. You don’t think they should be doing that?

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If I came here illegally via southern border crossing undetected, how would ICE know about me to obtain a warrant? If I'm in the car with someone who ICE is after, then I could be detained as well.

That's no who ICE says they are going after though.

They say this:

Trump administration officials say federal agents do not target or raid schools, and are focused on arresting violent criminals.

“Our ICE law enforcement officers are making arrests of child pedophiles and predators to protect the children of Minneapolis,” said Tricia McLaughlin, a spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland Security.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/31/us/minneapolis-school-district-ice-agents.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwY2xjawPsoCVleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFIUndXZXhZQ2dXdnV3aGNDc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHsEBtKqBWFkC0VIRaXV55BJutHw7vkFxi3qBPxAdq2CcwFf32S5liQ0PIsP-_aem_dKeDW5R7A2_fuJBXj8kMhA

So... If ICE is going after the child pedophiles and predators, how does ICE KNOW who the pedophiles and predators are? They must have access to something, right? If you know someone is a pedophile, that means they have a court record somewhere right?

So use those records, and take it to the judge, get the warrant, and find just those people.

That'll be enough. Thank you. Stop harrassing parents trying to pick their kids up, drop them off, get groceries, and go to work.

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Anonymous wrote:

First of all, no more quotas or bonuses for agents.
Secondly, agents need to only detain people when they have a judicial warrant.
Keep detainees close to their homes and families.
Preserve the consitutional rights of all people (whether citizen or not) and agents need to be investigated and punished if they violate the constitution, same as every other law enforcement officer.

1. Agree
2. Maybe
3. Yes, but will you support the construction or expansion of such facilities in your probably urban/suburban area so that the detainees can be close to their families and legal support? Because many blue states are trying to keep these facilities out. Then the detainees end up in places like Alabama or Lumpkin, GA in the middle of nowhere with little opportunity for legal support. So the libs can pat themselves on the back how they are such good people for not allowing these to be built in their county or state.
4. Agree

Furthermore, if all of these are achieved, there will still be some sad situations. Are you gonna be OK with that or should we never deport any noncriminal because it makes people sad?

If agents just detain people for whom they have a judicial warrant (meaning there is some evidence they should be detained, not just picking people up because they speak with an accent) that should significantly decrease the number of people who need a place in a local detention center.

I am very concerned about these privately run detainment centers. I believe there is MASSIVE grift going on. The administration is paying these privately owned detainment centers money each day for the bodies they send to meet their performance quotas. And people are being kept there for a long time, to keep capacity (and thus billing) at its maximum.

People are upset about Somalian run daycare centers and federal funding fraud? Please look at the massive grift that is happening with these detainment centers.

If I came here illegally via southern border crossing undetected, how would ICE know about me to obtain a warrant? If I'm in the car with someone who ICE is after, then I could be detained as well.

If no one knows about you? That means you aren’t terribly scary or harmful. Deport the actual bad guys. Require documentation of legal status for all federal aid, sure. Investigate anyone applying for federal aid to see if their documentation is up to date and correct.

You can even investigate employers to be sure they are correctly screening their employees for permission to work. But stop coming down heavily on random people just to see what you find.

Some employers are using e-verify and not catching people because they are using stolen IDs.

If I am in the car in the above scenario then I should be detained if necessary. Send a clear message that illegal immigration will not be tolerated. What is so difficult about that?

Also, know that schools receive federal funding for things such as school lunches. Are you in favor of verifying status to enroll?

ICE is operating under the quotas imposed by Trump himself. People are not just 'detained'. The agents have incentive to arrest people because that counts for their quota whether they are here illegally or not. People/Americans/immigrants (legal and otherwise) are arrested and sent to facilities/camps and held until they can produce x papers/documents. This is a violation of the fourth amendment and possibly 8th amendment. That is what is 'difficult' about that. The presence of people here illegally does not give the feds the right to violate these rights much less normalize their violation.

As for kids getting free food at schools - I will maybe care about that after Trump and his family and other criminal hanger-ons who are in charge of our country and profiting off of all of us to the tune of billions are GONE and hopefully in prison.

I was talking about my case above. ICE has authority to detain me and ask for papers if they have reason to suspect I am here illegally. Being in the car with someone who is also here illegally would be reason enough. You don’t think they should be doing that?

I really don't think ICE should be conducting random traffic stops thinking people might be here illegally. Because they would have to base it on racial profiling or employment profiling, and I just don't want to live in a world where armed agents can just pull people over and demand to see their papers when they are just out living their lives. It's bad for me as a citizen to live in a country where officials can just do this.

If ICE has reason to suspect you, driving your car, are here illegally, I want that suspicion to be founded on something; based in reality, and signed off on by a judge. Not an administrative documents authorized by someone higher up in ICE. Someone representing the judicial branch, not the executive branch.

They need to have, for example, your name and the license plate of the car you are driving. So the warrant will be written for "Jose Herrera, age 32; we know he is here in violation of his visa; he is driving a car with license plate 6667666 and is believed to be living with friends at XYZ address." THAT is tthe level of detail I want ICE to have to prove that they have reasonable suspicion he is here illegally.

Then they can go pick up JUST HIM. Not other people in his car; not other people in his house. Him. And let him defend himself or prove that you are in error, before you send him off to the Texas detainment centers.

(Also get rid of the criminal way detainees are treated, but that is another battle to fight).

The reason I care so much about protecting the rights of those here illegally is selfish. It's because protecting the rights of some people (even undocumented) protects the rights of ALL of us (including me, here legally).

[Anonymous]

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Also, know that schools receive federal funding for things such as school lunches. Are you in favor of verifying status to enroll?

I'm an ESOL teacher so I teach children of immigrants, some of whom are undocumented. The vast majority of the children I teach in elementary school were born in the US however, so they are citizens.

As for the children who were not born here, but live here, I do not support refusing them entrance into public schools because they are undocumented. For the same reason, I do not support refusing to provide basic public health care, including vaccinations and treatment of communicable illnesses, to those undocumented. It is primarily selfish. These children are here now and may or may not be staying. It does no one any good to have uneducated children running around and getting sick and spreading illnesses.

In fact I support when President Bush said about immigrants and public schools.

As an aside, as a teacher, I can tell you the students who are children of immigrants are much better behaved and more respectful than the native born kids born to US citizens.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

First of all, no more quotas or bonuses for agents.
Secondly, agents need to only detain people when they have a judicial warrant.
Keep detainees close to their homes and families.
Preserve the consitutional rights of all people (whether citizen or not) and agents need to be investigated and punished if they violate the constitution, same as every other law enforcement officer.

1. Agree
2. Maybe
3. Yes, but will you support the construction or expansion of such facilities in your probably urban/suburban area so that the detainees can be close to their families and legal support? Because many blue states are trying to keep these facilities out. Then the detainees end up in places like Alabama or Lumpkin, GA in the middle of nowhere with little opportunity for legal support. So the libs can pat themselves on the back how they are such good people for not allowing these to be built in their county or state.
4. Agree

Furthermore, if all of these are achieved, there will still be some sad situations. Are you gonna be OK with that or should we never deport any noncriminal because it makes people sad?

If agents just detain people for whom they have a judicial warrant (meaning there is some evidence they should be detained, not just picking people up because they speak with an accent) that should significantly decrease the number of people who need a place in a local detention center.

I am very concerned about these privately run detainment centers. I believe there is MASSIVE grift going on. The administration is paying these privately owned detainment centers money each day for the bodies they send to meet their performance quotas. And people are being kept there for a long time, to keep capacity (and thus billing) at its maximum.

People are upset about Somalian run daycare centers and federal funding fraud? Please look at the massive grift that is happening with these detainment centers.

If I came here illegally via southern border crossing undetected, how would ICE know about me to obtain a warrant? If I'm in the car with someone who ICE is after, then I could be detained as well.

If no one knows about you? That means you aren’t terribly scary or harmful. Deport the actual bad guys. Require documentation of legal status for all federal aid, sure. Investigate anyone applying for federal aid to see if their documentation is up to date and correct.

You can even investigate employers to be sure they are correctly screening their employees for permission to work. But stop coming down heavily on random people just to see what you find.

Some employers are using e-verify and not catching people because they are using stolen IDs.

If I am in the car in the above scenario then I should be detained if necessary. Send a clear message that illegal immigration will not be tolerated. What is so difficult about that?

Also, know that schools receive federal funding for things such as school lunches. Are you in favor of verifying status to enroll?

ICE is operating under the quotas imposed by Trump himself. People are not just 'detained'. The agents have incentive to arrest people because that counts for their quota whether they are here illegally or not. People/Americans/immigrants (legal and otherwise) are arrested and sent to facilities/camps and held until they can produce x papers/documents. This is a violation of the fourth amendment and possibly 8th amendment. That is what is 'difficult' about that. The presence of people here illegally does not give the feds the right to violate these rights much less normalize their violation.

As for kids getting free food at schools - I will maybe care about that after Trump and his family and other criminal hanger-ons who are in charge of our country and profiting off of all of us to the tune of billions are GONE and hopefully in prison.

I was talking about my case above. ICE has authority to detain me and ask for papers if they have reason to suspect I am here illegally. Being in the car with someone who is also here illegally would be reason enough. You don’t think they should be doing that?

If the “reason” is they want to make their arrest quota and you just happened to cross their path on a slow day, no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

First of all, no more quotas or bonuses for agents.
Secondly, agents need to only detain people when they have a judicial warrant.
Keep detainees close to their homes and families.
Preserve the consitutional rights of all people (whether citizen or not) and agents need to be investigated and punished if they violate the constitution, same as every other law enforcement officer.

1. Agree
2. Maybe
3. Yes, but will you support the construction or expansion of such facilities in your probably urban/suburban area so that the detainees can be close to their families and legal support? Because many blue states are trying to keep these facilities out. Then the detainees end up in places like Alabama or Lumpkin, GA in the middle of nowhere with little opportunity for legal support. So the libs can pat themselves on the back how they are such good people for not allowing these to be built in their county or state.
4. Agree

Furthermore, if all of these are achieved, there will still be some sad situations. Are you gonna be OK with that or should we never deport any noncriminal because it makes people sad?

If agents just detain people for whom they have a judicial warrant (meaning there is some evidence they should be detained, not just picking people up because they speak with an accent) that should significantly decrease the number of people who need a place in a local detention center.

I am very concerned about these privately run detainment centers. I believe there is MASSIVE grift going on. The administration is paying these privately owned detainment centers money each day for the bodies they send to meet their performance quotas. And people are being kept there for a long time, to keep capacity (and thus billing) at its maximum.

People are upset about Somalian run daycare centers and federal funding fraud? Please look at the massive grift that is happening with these detainment centers.

If I came here illegally via southern border crossing undetected, how would ICE know about me to obtain a warrant? If I'm in the car with someone who ICE is after, then I could be detained as well.

If no one knows about you? That means you aren’t terribly scary or harmful. Deport the actual bad guys. Require documentation of legal status for all federal aid, sure. Investigate anyone applying for federal aid to see if their documentation is up to date and correct.

You can even investigate employers to be sure they are correctly screening their employees for permission to work. But stop coming down heavily on random people just to see what you find.

Some employers are using e-verify and not catching people because they are using stolen IDs.

If I am in the car in the above scenario then I should be detained if necessary. Send a clear message that illegal immigration will not be tolerated. What is so difficult about that?

Also, know that schools receive federal funding for things such as school lunches. Are you in favor of verifying status to enroll?

ICE is operating under the quotas imposed by Trump himself. People are not just 'detained'. The agents have incentive to arrest people because that counts for their quota whether they are here illegally or not. People/Americans/immigrants (legal and otherwise) are arrested and sent to facilities/camps and held until they can produce x papers/documents. This is a violation of the fourth amendment and possibly 8th amendment. That is what is 'difficult' about that. The presence of people here illegally does not give the feds the right to violate these rights much less normalize their violation.

As for kids getting free food at schools - I will maybe care about that after Trump and his family and other criminal hanger-ons who are in charge of our country and profiting off of all of us to the tune of billions are GONE and hopefully in prison.

I was talking about my case above. ICE has authority to detain me and ask for papers if they have reason to suspect I am here illegally. Being in the car with someone who is also here illegally would be reason enough. You don’t think they should be doing that?

No I do not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

First of all, no more quotas or bonuses for agents.
Secondly, agents need to only detain people when they have a judicial warrant.
Keep detainees close to their homes and families.
Preserve the consitutional rights of all people (whether citizen or not) and agents need to be investigated and punished if they violate the constitution, same as every other law enforcement officer.

1. Agree
2. Maybe
3. Yes, but will you support the construction or expansion of such facilities in your probably urban/suburban area so that the detainees can be close to their families and legal support? Because many blue states are trying to keep these facilities out. Then the detainees end up in places like Alabama or Lumpkin, GA in the middle of nowhere with little opportunity for legal support. So the libs can pat themselves on the back how they are such good people for not allowing these to be built in their county or state.
4. Agree

Furthermore, if all of these are achieved, there will still be some sad situations. Are you gonna be OK with that or should we never deport any noncriminal because it makes people sad?

If agents just detain people for whom they have a judicial warrant (meaning there is some evidence they should be detained, not just picking people up because they speak with an accent) that should significantly decrease the number of people who need a place in a local detention center.

I am very concerned about these privately run detainment centers. I believe there is MASSIVE grift going on. The administration is paying these privately owned detainment centers money each day for the bodies they send to meet their performance quotas. And people are being kept there for a long time, to keep capacity (and thus billing) at its maximum.

People are upset about Somalian run daycare centers and federal funding fraud? Please look at the massive grift that is happening with these detainment centers.

If I came here illegally via southern border crossing undetected, how would ICE know about me to obtain a warrant? If I'm in the car with someone who ICE is after, then I could be detained as well.

If no one knows about you? That means you aren’t terribly scary or harmful. Deport the actual bad guys. Require documentation of legal status for all federal aid, sure. Investigate anyone applying for federal aid to see if their documentation is up to date and correct.

You can even investigate employers to be sure they are correctly screening their employees for permission to work. But stop coming down heavily on random people just to see what you find.

Some employers are using e-verify and not catching people because they are using stolen IDs.

If I am in the car in the above scenario then I should be detained if necessary. Send a clear message that illegal immigration will not be tolerated. What is so difficult about that?

Also, know that schools receive federal funding for things such as school lunches. Are you in favor of verifying status to enroll?

ICE is operating under the quotas imposed by Trump himself. People are not just 'detained'. The agents have incentive to arrest people because that counts for their quota whether they are here illegally or not. People/Americans/immigrants (legal and otherwise) are arrested and sent to facilities/camps and held until they can produce x papers/documents. This is a violation of the fourth amendment and possibly 8th amendment. That is what is 'difficult' about that. The presence of people here illegally does not give the feds the right to violate these rights much less normalize their violation.

As for kids getting free food at schools - I will maybe care about that after Trump and his family and other criminal hanger-ons who are in charge of our country and profiting off of all of us to the tune of billions are GONE and hopefully in prison.

I was talking about my case above. ICE has authority to detain me and ask for papers if they have reason to suspect I am here illegally. Being in the car with someone who is also here illegally would be reason enough. You don’t think they should be doing that?

No I do not.

Neither do I.

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You know what else?

If local police feel they are being innundated with illegal imigrant criminals out there criming, and they cannot keep their population safe, I have no problem with them reaching out to DHS for logistical support.

Just keep everything on the correct side of the Constitution.

In fact, I AM concerned about actual gang violence. If DHS wants to help local police go after known gang members? I'm all for it. IF they ask for the support. And keep their efforts legal.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do they need asylum from Ecuador?

Walking through eight countries to make a fake asylum claim here is not "legal entry" in any conventional or real sense of this term. If some apparat's stroke of a pen once made this the rule, another's eraser can immediately restore sanity.

If you’re fleeing real danger, why not claim asylum in any of these earlier countries:

• Colombia (first big one after Ecuador, then the dangerous Darién Gap jungle crossing into Panama)
• Panama
• Costa Rica
• Nicaragua
• Honduras
• El Salvador (sometimes skipped depending on the path)
• Guatemala
• Mexico (the last one before the US border—biggest stretch, buses/trains, lots of risks but stable overall)

Those countries are legally “safe” for asylum claims. If you’re running from real persecution, you stop and ask for protection there.

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Anonymous wrote:From the judge's ruling:

"The case has its genesis in the ill-conceived and incompetently-implemented government pursuit of daily deportation quotas, apparently even if it requires traumatizing children."

I wonder if the judge has evidence of these daily deportation quotas? I have heard it rumored but don't know if there is proof? Someone familiar with ICE says that agents need to capture 8 bodies per day on average, in order to get their $10,000 bonus each year.

"Ultimately, Petitioners may, because of the arcane United States immigration system, return to their home country, involuntarily or by self deportation. But that result should occur through a more orderly and human process than currently in place."

Thank you judge, for saying this.

Ok, but….
What does this more orderly and human process look like?

First of all, no more quotas or bonuses for agents.
Secondly, agents need to only detain people when they have a judicial warrant.
Keep detainees close to their homes and families.
Preserve the consitutional rights of all people (whether citizen or not) and agents need to be investigated and punished if they violate the constitution, same as every other law enforcement officer.

Lol typical liberal bs, everyone gets a bonus. There is nothing wrong with performance based bonus and with 14 million illegal aliens in the us 8 a week is not fast enough.

As it turns out, there IS something wrong with performance bonuses in this case. It leads to ICE agents brutality, the violation of the Constitution, and sometimes even the death of American citizens. Performance bonuses may be great for the sales team or your small business. But it is all wrong here!

I am cool with 10k payout to us citizens reporting illegals

Are you gonna go around your area demanding that brown people show you their papers? How very Nazi-ish of you. Or actually very Soviet-like too!

They are REALLY terrified of brown people.