Bridgerton Season 4

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Anonymous wrote:I appreciated the lesson in power imbalance that Benedict got from the cottage caretaker. Curious if they’re going to revisit that so directly again in the rest of the season.

I like Benedict well enough this season, but then that dolt went ahead and pissed me right off. Ooooo, I wanted to throw something at my TV with that mistress line. Make him crawl, Sophie.

It's realistic though, the most she could hope for due to the limitations of class. It was a different time. However, she'd of course be better off with a stable job for life versus a temporarily-more-luxurious mistress position that could end at any moment.

If you go back to the time period, being the mistress of a powerful man could actually be a pretty good power play and set you up pretty well for life. It depended very much on the couple — sometimes it was a true love situation where the man really did want to take care of her for life. Nelson’s mistress “lady hamilton” was born in poverty but did quite well for herself and his dying wish was that she be taken care of.

I’m not sure there was such a thing as a stable job for life in the 18th century — a housekeeper at a manor house is probably the closest you would get, but even that would depend on the family caring enough to provide for you in old age, as you wouldn’t be able to put much by.

Nelson's wishes were ignored and Lady Hamilton and her and Nelson's daughter were left begging. She died at 49 in massive debt. And this was after Nelson died a national hero.

Who is Nelson and who is Lady Hamilton? This is a thread about Bridgerton.

A) You should definitely know who Nelson is (Battle of Trafalgar?). B) Lady Hamilton was a famous mistress who died right around the time Bridgerton is set, so it is relevant for "what kind of life would a mistress in the Regency era have."

I doubt that battle or nelson person matters to anyone outside of brittain.

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Anonymous wrote:I appreciated the lesson in power imbalance that Benedict got from the cottage caretaker. Curious if they’re going to revisit that so directly again in the rest of the season.

I like Benedict well enough this season, but then that dolt went ahead and pissed me right off. Ooooo, I wanted to throw something at my TV with that mistress line. Make him crawl, Sophie.

It's realistic though, the most she could hope for due to the limitations of class. It was a different time. However, she'd of course be better off with a stable job for life versus a temporarily-more-luxurious mistress position that could end at any moment.

If you go back to the time period, being the mistress of a powerful man could actually be a pretty good power play and set you up pretty well for life. It depended very much on the couple — sometimes it was a true love situation where the man really did want to take care of her for life. Nelson’s mistress “lady hamilton” was born in poverty but did quite well for herself and his dying wish was that she be taken care of.

I’m not sure there was such a thing as a stable job for life in the 18th century — a housekeeper at a manor house is probably the closest you would get, but even that would depend on the family caring enough to provide for you in old age, as you wouldn’t be able to put much by.

Nelson's wishes were ignored and Lady Hamilton and her and Nelson's daughter were left begging. She died at 49 in massive debt. And this was after Nelson died a national hero.

Who is Nelson and who is Lady Hamilton? This is a thread about Bridgerton.

A) You should definitely know who Nelson is (Battle of Trafalgar?). B) Lady Hamilton was a famous mistress who died right around the time Bridgerton is set, so it is relevant for "what kind of life would a mistress in the Regency era have."

I doubt that battle or nelson person matters to anyone outside of brittain.

Finding out people didn't learn about Napoleon in school is WILD.

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Anonymous wrote:I appreciated the lesson in power imbalance that Benedict got from the cottage caretaker. Curious if they’re going to revisit that so directly again in the rest of the season.

I like Benedict well enough this season, but then that dolt went ahead and pissed me right off. Ooooo, I wanted to throw something at my TV with that mistress line. Make him crawl, Sophie.

It's realistic though, the most she could hope for due to the limitations of class. It was a different time. However, she'd of course be better off with a stable job for life versus a temporarily-more-luxurious mistress position that could end at any moment.

If you go back to the time period, being the mistress of a powerful man could actually be a pretty good power play and set you up pretty well for life. It depended very much on the couple — sometimes it was a true love situation where the man really did want to take care of her for life. Nelson’s mistress “lady hamilton” was born in poverty but did quite well for herself and his dying wish was that she be taken care of.

I’m not sure there was such a thing as a stable job for life in the 18th century — a housekeeper at a manor house is probably the closest you would get, but even that would depend on the family caring enough to provide for you in old age, as you wouldn’t be able to put much by.

Nelson's wishes were ignored and Lady Hamilton and her and Nelson's daughter were left begging. She died at 49 in massive debt. And this was after Nelson died a national hero.

Who is Nelson and who is Lady Hamilton? This is a thread about Bridgerton.

A) You should definitely know who Nelson is (Battle of Trafalgar?). B) Lady Hamilton was a famous mistress who died right around the time Bridgerton is set, so it is relevant for "what kind of life would a mistress in the Regency era have."

I doubt that battle or nelson person matters to anyone outside of brittain.

Finding out people didn't learn about Napoleon in school is WILD.

Also a pretty common plot point in movies and books.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish that if they were going to do an upstairs/downstairs season he just fell in love with an actual maid. Why does she have to be secretly noble, or whatever?

The original book was setup like a Cinderella story. Running away at midnight, loss of a clothing items, etc. In the story of Cinderella, the family has some means but the dead father's daughter is made into a servant.

I don't remember if Sophie was illegitimate in the book. In the show, she is.

Is she really, or is this only what the stepmother told her. I am not sure I believe it. I also don't believe her father left her penniless. That doesn't make sense and stepmom hid the truth, and poor Sophie never questioned the lie.

In the book, she is really illegitimate. But her father didn’t really leave her penniless. And the part about Benedict saying she could only ever be his mistress (never his wife) goes on for a long time.

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Anonymous wrote:I appreciated the lesson in power imbalance that Benedict got from the cottage caretaker. Curious if they’re going to revisit that so directly again in the rest of the season.

I like Benedict well enough this season, but then that dolt went ahead and pissed me right off. Ooooo, I wanted to throw something at my TV with that mistress line. Make him crawl, Sophie.

It's realistic though, the most she could hope for due to the limitations of class. It was a different time. However, she'd of course be better off with a stable job for life versus a temporarily-more-luxurious mistress position that could end at any moment.

If you go back to the time period, being the mistress of a powerful man could actually be a pretty good power play and set you up pretty well for life. It depended very much on the couple — sometimes it was a true love situation where the man really did want to take care of her for life. Nelson’s mistress “lady hamilton” was born in poverty but did quite well for herself and his dying wish was that she be taken care of.

I’m not sure there was such a thing as a stable job for life in the 18th century — a housekeeper at a manor house is probably the closest you would get, but even that would depend on the family caring enough to provide for you in old age, as you wouldn’t be able to put much by.

Nelson's wishes were ignored and Lady Hamilton and her and Nelson's daughter were left begging. She died at 49 in massive debt. And this was after Nelson died a national hero.

Who is Nelson and who is Lady Hamilton? This is a thread about Bridgerton.

A) You should definitely know who Nelson is (Battle of Trafalgar?). B) Lady Hamilton was a famous mistress who died right around the time Bridgerton is set, so it is relevant for "what kind of life would a mistress in the Regency era have."

I doubt that battle or nelson person matters to anyone outside of brittain.

Finding out people didn't learn about Napoleon in school is WILD.

Of course, everyone learned about Napolean. But fine details like his generals mistresses are A) not really school material and B) not really relevant enough to the world today to be a priority topic worth focusing on or remembering.

Great Britain is a fallen empire, and old dead white man history is not really taught in schools any more.

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Anonymous wrote:I appreciated the lesson in power imbalance that Benedict got from the cottage caretaker. Curious if they’re going to revisit that so directly again in the rest of the season.

I like Benedict well enough this season, but then that dolt went ahead and pissed me right off. Ooooo, I wanted to throw something at my TV with that mistress line. Make him crawl, Sophie.

It's realistic though, the most she could hope for due to the limitations of class. It was a different time. However, she'd of course be better off with a stable job for life versus a temporarily-more-luxurious mistress position that could end at any moment.

If you go back to the time period, being the mistress of a powerful man could actually be a pretty good power play and set you up pretty well for life. It depended very much on the couple — sometimes it was a true love situation where the man really did want to take care of her for life. Nelson’s mistress “lady hamilton” was born in poverty but did quite well for herself and his dying wish was that she be taken care of.

I’m not sure there was such a thing as a stable job for life in the 18th century — a housekeeper at a manor house is probably the closest you would get, but even that would depend on the family caring enough to provide for you in old age, as you wouldn’t be able to put much by.

Nelson's wishes were ignored and Lady Hamilton and her and Nelson's daughter were left begging. She died at 49 in massive debt. And this was after Nelson died a national hero.

Who is Nelson and who is Lady Hamilton? This is a thread about Bridgerton.

A) You should definitely know who Nelson is (Battle of Trafalgar?). B) Lady Hamilton was a famous mistress who died right around the time Bridgerton is set, so it is relevant for "what kind of life would a mistress in the Regency era have."

I doubt that battle or nelson person matters to anyone outside of brittain.

Finding out people didn't learn about Napoleon in school is WILD.

Also a pretty common plot point in movies and books.

Napoleon, yes.

His generals mistresses, not really.

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Anonymous wrote:I appreciated the lesson in power imbalance that Benedict got from the cottage caretaker. Curious if they’re going to revisit that so directly again in the rest of the season.

I like Benedict well enough this season, but then that dolt went ahead and pissed me right off. Ooooo, I wanted to throw something at my TV with that mistress line. Make him crawl, Sophie.

It's realistic though, the most she could hope for due to the limitations of class. It was a different time. However, she'd of course be better off with a stable job for life versus a temporarily-more-luxurious mistress position that could end at any moment.

If you go back to the time period, being the mistress of a powerful man could actually be a pretty good power play and set you up pretty well for life. It depended very much on the couple — sometimes it was a true love situation where the man really did want to take care of her for life. Nelson’s mistress “lady hamilton” was born in poverty but did quite well for herself and his dying wish was that she be taken care of.

I’m not sure there was such a thing as a stable job for life in the 18th century — a housekeeper at a manor house is probably the closest you would get, but even that would depend on the family caring enough to provide for you in old age, as you wouldn’t be able to put much by.

Nelson's wishes were ignored and Lady Hamilton and her and Nelson's daughter were left begging. She died at 49 in massive debt. And this was after Nelson died a national hero.

Who is Nelson and who is Lady Hamilton? This is a thread about Bridgerton.

A) You should definitely know who Nelson is (Battle of Trafalgar?). B) Lady Hamilton was a famous mistress who died right around the time Bridgerton is set, so it is relevant for "what kind of life would a mistress in the Regency era have."

I doubt that battle or nelson person matters to anyone outside of brittain.

Finding out people didn't learn about Napoleon in school is WILD.

Of course, everyone learned about Napolean. But fine details like his generals mistresses are A) not really school material and B) not really relevant enough to the world today to be a priority topic worth focusing on or remembering.

Great Britain is a fallen empire, and old dead white man history is not really taught in schools any more.

My AP Euro teacher would sprinkle in those weird details all over the place so we'd remember them.

Like learning about Marat and the reign of terror is one thing, if you learn he was stabbed while in the bath (and they brought the tub onto the altar at Notre Dame during hia funeral), you're actually more likely to remember the details. The silly bathtub story is your brain tag into the entire reign of terror.

So Battle of Trafalgar sticks in your brain if you remember stuff like, they kind of pickled Nelson after he died. Dumb salacious detail, helps you remember everything else.

That's why you sprinkle in the salacious side stories, it actually helps your memory for the whole.

But complaining about actual history in discussion of your (albeit fantasy) historical romance show seems silly. Learning the actual history (which can be even wilder than the show) is part of the fun.

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Anonymous wrote:I appreciated the lesson in power imbalance that Benedict got from the cottage caretaker. Curious if they’re going to revisit that so directly again in the rest of the season.

I like Benedict well enough this season, but then that dolt went ahead and pissed me right off. Ooooo, I wanted to throw something at my TV with that mistress line. Make him crawl, Sophie.

It's realistic though, the most she could hope for due to the limitations of class. It was a different time. However, she'd of course be better off with a stable job for life versus a temporarily-more-luxurious mistress position that could end at any moment.

If you go back to the time period, being the mistress of a powerful man could actually be a pretty good power play and set you up pretty well for life. It depended very much on the couple — sometimes it was a true love situation where the man really did want to take care of her for life. Nelson’s mistress “lady hamilton” was born in poverty but did quite well for herself and his dying wish was that she be taken care of.

I’m not sure there was such a thing as a stable job for life in the 18th century — a housekeeper at a manor house is probably the closest you would get, but even that would depend on the family caring enough to provide for you in old age, as you wouldn’t be able to put much by.

Nelson's wishes were ignored and Lady Hamilton and her and Nelson's daughter were left begging. She died at 49 in massive debt. And this was after Nelson died a national hero.

Who is Nelson and who is Lady Hamilton? This is a thread about Bridgerton.

A) You should definitely know who Nelson is (Battle of Trafalgar?). B) Lady Hamilton was a famous mistress who died right around the time Bridgerton is set, so it is relevant for "what kind of life would a mistress in the Regency era have."

No idea who Nelson is and I never heard of the Battle of Trafalgar.

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Anonymous wrote:Penelope is too big for Colin, sorry. It’s so cringe!

IRL that's not true -- Luke Newton is 6' and when he and Nicola Coughlan did promotional appearances I think they looked well suited to each other. But on screen I agree she overpowered him. I think it has to do with how photogenic Nicola is on camera, and with this round face and lots of hair and the way the costumes tend to display her boobs in a really prominent way -- Newton just kind of faded into the background in their love scenes. I don't think she's literally too big for him, I just think it would have been better to pair her with someone who would look more balanced on screen, especially in close up. Like the guy who plays Will Mondrich (Marins Inhangbe) would have been great.

The problem was that they were going by the books, and Pen is supposed to be with Colin, who was already cast and they prioritized casting the Bridgerton men to look like brothers more than to look good with their partners. They got lucky with Jonathan Bailey, who I thought looked perfect with Simone Ashley -- they are both long and lean and have these angular faces that were very complimentary. But Colin and Penelope weren't as good of a visual match, they should have thought about that when casting Colin.

This is also going to be problem if they ever do the Gregory season, which would be season 8 if they matched the books. Because the kid playing Gregory has even less presence on screen than Luke Newton and if they cast really great actresses for his love triangle, he's going to look so lost.

Colin just didn't come across as appealing in his season, especially since he spent half the season being sulky and then making things worse. It just wasn't attractive and you felt bad for Penelope. Coughlan is a more charismatic actress.

I actually liked the man who was courting Penelope in the last season before she hooked up with Colin. He was larger and visually seemed to fit with Penelope better.

It’s not the height difference that is the problem. Colin is very thin and Penelope is thicker. I can’t help it but I cringe when they have love scenes - it looks like she could crush him.

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Anonymous wrote:Just finished episode 4. Goddamn. This is way better than Season 2 or 3. It might even top Season 1. The scene with Benedict and Sophie in the stairwell was so hot…he licked two of his fingers….omg! I need a cold shower. Of course it was totally ruined with the whole “Be my mistress” line.

Violet was a trip with the whole inviting Lady Danbury’s brother over for tea.

Omg really?? I didn’t get the finger licking at all. If she’s really going to come in 45 seconds or whatever, she’s already lubricated. And if she wasn’t, licking your fingers like that wouldn’t help. He barely moistened them. It was just kind of icky.

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Anonymous wrote:I F'ing hate this trend of breaking up seasons over months or years. Pisses me off to no end.

Agree. I also hate how Netflix doesn't post trailers for things that are not Netflix originals. I read that they would have to pay extra to license trailers. The fact they won't pay for this convenience to their subscribers makes me so resentful. I won't watch anything without seeing a trailer first, so this means my interest has to be piqued by the description enough to go google a trailer. I usually just look for something on HBO, Prime, or Apple+, which always have trailers. Rant over.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a little irked by this season because Benedict is such a rake that I don’t see her being okay with that, and I don’t see him reforming long term.

Plus, at some point during one of the other seasons, I looked up the syphilis rates for regency London and they were really appalling. (Much lower in the countryside!) So for sure Benedict has syphilis and probably herpes and the clap too, which probably means he’s infertile and destined for an early death or insanity. Also the fact that all these prostituyes are mostly poor girls who got “ruined” (r@ped) by their former employers or the local rich guy, or are alcoholics who were thrown out by their families, so I feel like any guy patronizing 18th century prositites is inherently gross, even if he’s hot.

The Francesca plot line is also irritating me. She is so dead eyed.

I am curious to see what they do with the bookish sister next season. She’s sort of a Joe March character so needs some crotcehdly German tutor rather than a rich pretty boy.

Finally, I am a little irritated that the mother is so set on marrying all her sons off to fancy aristocratic girls. There is not money for that and it’s not realistic. Excess sons need to go into the British navy or the clergy to make a solid income with which they can marry a middle class girl who knows how to cook and can get by with one or two servants. Or maybe they can be a solicitor but I feel like that’s not a great spot until the Industrial Revolution really takes off. British east India company is another option.

This is why whatsername needs the Cinderella story of being a hidden noble. Otherwise she and Benedict will starve because his brother inherited the title and lands and he has no career or income at all. She’s gonna have to bring the bacon to this relationship.

Yes, exactly!

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Anonymous wrote:I wish that if they were going to do an upstairs/downstairs season he just fell in love with an actual maid. Why does she have to be secretly noble, or whatever?

The original book was setup like a Cinderella story. Running away at midnight, loss of a clothing items, etc. In the story of Cinderella, the family has some means but the dead father's daughter is made into a servant.

I don't remember if Sophie was illegitimate in the book. In the show, she is.

Is she really, or is this only what the stepmother told her. I am not sure I believe it. I also don't believe her father left her penniless. That doesn't make sense and stepmom hid the truth, and poor Sophie never questioned the lie.

The father introduced her to his new wife as "My ward". Also her name is said over and over to be Sophie Baek. His name was Viscount Li and although that could be a title, it appears to be his last name.

During that scene, I felt like he was calling her his ward because he was trying to please the new wife.

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Anonymous wrote:Just finished episode 4. Goddamn. This is way better than Season 2 or 3. It might even top Season 1. The scene with Benedict and Sophie in the stairwell was so hot…he licked two of his fingers….omg! I need a cold shower. Of course it was totally ruined with the whole “Be my mistress” line.

Violet was a trip with the whole inviting Lady Danbury’s brother over for tea.

Omg really?? I didn’t get the finger licking at all. If she’s really going to come in 45 seconds or whatever, she’s already lubricated. And if she wasn’t, licking your fingers like that wouldn’t help. He barely moistened them. It was just kind of icky.

Agree. Shades of Aidan in And Just Like That.

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Anonymous wrote:Just finished episode 4. Goddamn. This is way better than Season 2 or 3. It might even top Season 1. The scene with Benedict and Sophie in the stairwell was so hot…he licked two of his fingers….omg! I need a cold shower. Of course it was totally ruined with the whole “Be my mistress” line.

Violet was a trip with the whole inviting Lady Danbury’s brother over for tea.

Omg really?? I didn’t get the finger licking at all. If she’s really going to come in 45 seconds or whatever, she’s already lubricated. And if she wasn’t, licking your fingers like that wouldn’t help. He barely moistened them. It was just kind of icky.

Agree. Shades of Aidan in And Just Like That.

Yup. That's what I thought of, too. Yuck.