School choice vs. attendance zones

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Anonymous wrote:Dumb idea, OP.

You can look at Jefferson County, KY. When they instituted the type of system you want, following the court-ordered merger with Louisville schools, people left for privates and moved to Oldham County.

This isn’t about merging school systems. It’s about creating more choice within a school system. If a family isn’t admitted to the public school of their choice, they can go to private. Threatening to go private suggests wealthy families are currently hoarding certain public schools as if they’re private. In that case, go ahead and pay for private and leave the good publics for other families.

You are essentially asking for a merger of successful and less successful schools, the result of which will be to create uniformly mediocre schools.

And your analogy about hoarding schools as if they are private falls flat when the parents of the schools you covet cover most of the costs for all the public schools in the county.

You’ll find little if any support for what you’re proposing among county officials.

Paying taxes doesn’t make you entitled to a certain school. Try again

In Fairfax, it really should, absent a truly compelling need to change boundaries.

Sorry you have nothing better to do today.

But it doesn’t. Sorry the VA code isn’t on your side. Move to some tiny school district in New Jersey if you think that’s better.

Sounds like you’re the one who needs to move, because you aren’t going to get what you’re after here.

You can look at the “Opening of Schools” report and see how Reid touted FCPS having 7 of the top 10 high schools in the state. There’s no appetite for having 24 lousy ones.

Who’s to say school choice wouldn’t result in 10 of the top 10 schools in the state? I reject your premise.

Now you’re just entering sad attention whore territory.

I’m advocating for more kids to have opportunity. Try to refrain from insulting terms if you’re interested in a thoughtful discussion.

Volunteer to help with literacy and ESOL at your neighborhood low performing school.

Volunteer for PTA and help bring in after school STEM enrichment.

Get your neighborhood parents to volunteer.

Start a science Olympiad team at your school and pull in other educated parents to step up and run event teams.

All of these just require your time. Any poor or rich parent can do these things with a little bit of effort.

Stop trying to get other parents and other people's kids to do it for you. Step up and lead.

+100. It’s lazy parents who push for equity. They don’t actually want to do the legwork, they want the handout, which in this case, is another person’s kids.

Truly vile shit.

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Anonymous wrote:Dumb idea, OP.

You can look at Jefferson County, KY. When they instituted the type of system you want, following the court-ordered merger with Louisville schools, people left for privates and moved to Oldham County.

This isn’t about merging school systems. It’s about creating more choice within a school system. If a family isn’t admitted to the public school of their choice, they can go to private. Threatening to go private suggests wealthy families are currently hoarding certain public schools as if they’re private. In that case, go ahead and pay for private and leave the good publics for other families.

You are essentially asking for a merger of successful and less successful schools, the result of which will be to create uniformly mediocre schools.

And your analogy about hoarding schools as if they are private falls flat when the parents of the schools you covet cover most of the costs for all the public schools in the county.

You’ll find little if any support for what you’re proposing among county officials.

Paying taxes doesn’t make you entitled to a certain school. Try again

In Fairfax, it really should, absent a truly compelling need to change boundaries.

Sorry you have nothing better to do today.

But it doesn’t. Sorry the VA code isn’t on your side. Move to some tiny school district in New Jersey if you think that’s better.

Sounds like you’re the one who needs to move, because you aren’t going to get what you’re after here.

You can look at the “Opening of Schools” report and see how Reid touted FCPS having 7 of the top 10 high schools in the state. There’s no appetite for having 24 lousy ones.

Who’s to say school choice wouldn’t result in 10 of the top 10 schools in the state? I reject your premise.

Now you’re just entering sad attention whore territory.

I’m advocating for more kids to have opportunity. Try to refrain from insulting terms if you’re interested in a thoughtful discussion.

Volunteer to help with literacy and ESOL at your neighborhood low performing school.

Volunteer for PTA and help bring in after school STEM enrichment.

Get your neighborhood parents to volunteer.

Start a science Olympiad team at your school and pull in other educated parents to step up and run event teams.

All of these just require your time. Any poor or rich parent can do these things with a little bit of effort.

Stop trying to get other parents and other people's kids to do it for you. Step up and lead.

+100. It’s lazy parents who push for equity. They don’t actually want to do the legwork, they want the handout, which in this case, is another person’s kids.

Truly vile shit.

5% of WSHS students are ESL. 37.5% of Lewis High School students are ESL. Seems like this is beyond some helpful volunteers.

[Anonymous]

This is trolling…right?

I’ve taught at “bad schools” and “good schools”. Far and away the best teachers I’ve ever worked with were at the “bad” ones. They worked harder to form relationships, create opportunities, be charismatic instructors because those students needed more. The schools were actually better. The population was just needier.

A strong student at a “failing” school can still find a solid peer group and get a good education filled with AP and IB courses. There will just be the other half of the school struggling with language acquisition, or dealing with poverty related issues that prevent them from reaching their potential.

Moving any strong students to other schools is 1) not physically possible (they’re all nearly at or over capacity, so the number who could transfer in is low)
2) would make schools kids leave even worse off, as there would be less demand for advanced classes so those who stayed couldn’t access them.

The whole thing is a non starter though. Maryland (moco I think? We read the case study in grad school) tried bussing struggling kids to “better” schools, and they did no better. The “better” schools just saw test scores drop. The issues are at home, not at school.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at the root cause. We as a nation should not have imported large amounts of poverty. That is it. Now some schools suffer.

Straw man. We have always been a country of immigrants, many of them poor.

Nor are all students at bad schools immigrants.

+1, lots of lower performing schools all over the US are filled with Caucasian students. A lot of those students are poor.

Not all poor kids are bad / struggling students but most struggling students are poor.

You’re right, wealth is tied to success. Why shouldn’t a poor student with academic promise be allowed to apply to a better school?

They have quotas to get into TJ and they can pupil place.

They can also apply to private on scholarships. Families do that more than you think.

[Anonymous]

OP is completely ignoring the fact that Thu’s already exists. If there is room in a school, you can always find a way to get your kid in there if you plan ahead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is trolling…right?

I’ve taught at “bad schools” and “good schools”. Far and away the best teachers I’ve ever worked with were at the “bad” ones. They worked harder to form relationships, create opportunities, be charismatic instructors because those students needed more. The schools were actually better. The population was just needier.

A strong student at a “failing” school can still find a solid peer group and get a good education filled with AP and IB courses. There will just be the other half of the school struggling with language acquisition, or dealing with poverty related issues that prevent them from reaching their potential.

Moving any strong students to other schools is 1) not physically possible (they’re all nearly at or over capacity, so the number who could transfer in is low)
2) would make schools kids leave even worse off, as there would be less demand for advanced classes so those who stayed couldn’t access them.

The whole thing is a non starter though. Maryland (moco I think? We read the case study in grad school) tried bussing struggling kids to “better” schools, and they did no better. The “better” schools just saw test scores drop. The issues are at home, not at school.

Cite for any of this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP is completely ignoring the fact that Thu’s already exists. If there is room in a school, you can always find a way to get your kid in there if you plan ahead.

Great. Then why do we still have attendance zones that are segregated by income?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dumb idea, OP.

You can look at Jefferson County, KY. When they instituted the type of system you want, following the court-ordered merger with Louisville schools, people left for privates and moved to Oldham County.

This isn’t about merging school systems. It’s about creating more choice within a school system. If a family isn’t admitted to the public school of their choice, they can go to private. Threatening to go private suggests wealthy families are currently hoarding certain public schools as if they’re private. In that case, go ahead and pay for private and leave the good publics for other families.

You are essentially asking for a merger of successful and less successful schools, the result of which will be to create uniformly mediocre schools.

And your analogy about hoarding schools as if they are private falls flat when the parents of the schools you covet cover most of the costs for all the public schools in the county.

You’ll find little if any support for what you’re proposing among county officials.

Paying taxes doesn’t make you entitled to a certain school. Try again

In Fairfax, it really should, absent a truly compelling need to change boundaries.

Sorry you have nothing better to do today.

But it doesn’t. Sorry the VA code isn’t on your side. Move to some tiny school district in New Jersey if you think that’s better.

Sounds like you’re the one who needs to move, because you aren’t going to get what you’re after here.

You can look at the “Opening of Schools” report and see how Reid touted FCPS having 7 of the top 10 high schools in the state. There’s no appetite for having 24 lousy ones.

Who’s to say school choice wouldn’t result in 10 of the top 10 schools in the state? I reject your premise.

Now you’re just entering sad attention whore territory.

I’m advocating for more kids to have opportunity. Try to refrain from insulting terms if you’re interested in a thoughtful discussion.

Volunteer to help with literacy and ESOL at your neighborhood low performing school.

Volunteer for PTA and help bring in after school STEM enrichment.

Get your neighborhood parents to volunteer.

Start a science Olympiad team at your school and pull in other educated parents to step up and run event teams.

All of these just require your time. Any poor or rich parent can do these things with a little bit of effort.

Stop trying to get other parents and other people's kids to do it for you. Step up and lead.

+100. It’s lazy parents who push for equity. They don’t actually want to do the legwork, they want the handout, which in this case, is another person’s kids.

Truly vile shit.

This isn’t equity. Equity would be widespread busing which obviously will never happen.

This also isn’t about lazy parents, in fact it’s the opposite. It’s for parents so dedicated to their student that they want to get them out of a bad school. A fair shot in a good public school isn’t a handout.

Try to make your argument without cursing next time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is trolling…right?

I’ve taught at “bad schools” and “good schools”. Far and away the best teachers I’ve ever worked with were at the “bad” ones. They worked harder to form relationships, create opportunities, be charismatic instructors because those students needed more. The schools were actually better. The population was just needier.

A strong student at a “failing” school can still find a solid peer group and get a good education filled with AP and IB courses. There will just be the other half of the school struggling with language acquisition, or dealing with poverty related issues that prevent them from reaching their potential.

Moving any strong students to other schools is 1) not physically possible (they’re all nearly at or over capacity, so the number who could transfer in is low)
2) would make schools kids leave even worse off, as there would be less demand for advanced classes so those who stayed couldn’t access them.

The whole thing is a non starter though. Maryland (moco I think? We read the case study in grad school) tried bussing struggling kids to “better” schools, and they did no better. The “better” schools just saw test scores drop. The issues are at home, not at school.

If the issues are at home and not at the school why are some parents on this thread worried about poor kids coming to their “good” school? You have a lot of posters on here talking about the entire school as a peer group that would disagree with you. Rich Langley parents shouldn’t worry about Herndon kids coming over if what you are suggesting is true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP is completely ignoring the fact that Thu’s already exists. If there is room in a school, you can always find a way to get your kid in there if you plan ahead.

Great. Then why do we still have attendance zones that are segregated by income?

DP. Easy question. Because not everybody is looking to selfishly screw over other people’s kids to get a little property value kick like you.

Dummies think that the county has somehow selected where people live rather than the free market doing its thing. Even if you were successful in watering down the good schools, people would continue to sort themselves, and you’d be back here a decade from now complaining about the same stuff. Really gross.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP is completely ignoring the fact that Thu’s already exists. If there is room in a school, you can always find a way to get your kid in there if you plan ahead.

Great. Then why do we still have attendance zones that are segregated by income?

DP. Easy question. Because not everybody is looking to selfishly screw over other people’s kids to get a little property value kick like you.

Dummies think that the county has somehow selected where people live rather than the free market doing its thing. Even if you were successful in watering down the good schools, people would continue to sort themselves, and you’d be back here a decade from now complaining about the same stuff. Really gross.

Let’s try to calm down, it’s not personal. Nobody is getting screwed, any student could apply to any school in the county. Just like you can go to any park in the county or visit any library.

The county draws arbitrary school lines that are the modern version of redlining. This is segregation based on income and other county services don’t operate this way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP is completely ignoring the fact that Thu’s already exists. If there is room in a school, you can always find a way to get your kid in there if you plan ahead.

Great. Then why do we still have attendance zones that are segregated by income?

DP. Easy question. Because not everybody is looking to selfishly screw over other people’s kids to get a little property value kick like you.

Dummies think that the county has somehow selected where people live rather than the free market doing its thing. Even if you were successful in watering down the good schools, people would continue to sort themselves, and you’d be back here a decade from now complaining about the same stuff. Really gross.

The government telling you where your child must go to school isn’t exactly free market. In fact, the county drawing attendance zones is actually manipulating the housing market.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP is completely ignoring the fact that Thu’s already exists. If there is room in a school, you can always find a way to get your kid in there if you plan ahead.

Great. Then why do we still have attendance zones that are segregated by income?

DP. Easy question. Because not everybody is looking to selfishly screw over other people’s kids to get a little property value kick like you.

Dummies think that the county has somehow selected where people live rather than the free market doing its thing. Even if you were successful in watering down the good schools, people would continue to sort themselves, and you’d be back here a decade from now complaining about the same stuff. Really gross.

Let’s try to calm down, it’s not personal. Nobody is getting screwed, any student could apply to any school in the county. Just like you can go to any park in the county or visit any library.

The county draws arbitrary school lines that are the modern version of redlining. This is segregation based on income and other county services don’t operate this way.

But unlike a park, there isn’t space for everyone at some schools. So some kids won’t be able to go there.

This whole thread is idiotic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP is completely ignoring the fact that Thu’s already exists. If there is room in a school, you can always find a way to get your kid in there if you plan ahead.

Great. Then why do we still have attendance zones that are segregated by income?

DP. Easy question. Because not everybody is looking to selfishly screw over other people’s kids to get a little property value kick like you.

Dummies think that the county has somehow selected where people live rather than the free market doing its thing. Even if you were successful in watering down the good schools, people would continue to sort themselves, and you’d be back here a decade from now complaining about the same stuff. Really gross.

Let’s try to calm down, it’s not personal. Nobody is getting screwed, any student could apply to any school in the county. Just like you can go to any park in the county or visit any library.

The county draws arbitrary school lines that are the modern version of redlining. This is segregation based on income and other county services don’t operate this way.

But unlike a park, there isn’t space for everyone at some schools. So some kids won’t be able to go there.

This whole thread is idiotic.

Sure, but that’s why you list your second and third choice. For a lot of kids getting their third choice is much better than where they are zoned. You too could list your top three, get one of those schools, and your kid would be fine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP is completely ignoring the fact that Thu’s already exists. If there is room in a school, you can always find a way to get your kid in there if you plan ahead.

Great. Then why do we still have attendance zones that are segregated by income?

DP. Easy question. Because not everybody is looking to selfishly screw over other people’s kids to get a little property value kick like you.

Dummies think that the county has somehow selected where people live rather than the free market doing its thing. Even if you were successful in watering down the good schools, people would continue to sort themselves, and you’d be back here a decade from now complaining about the same stuff. Really gross.

The government telling you where your child must go to school isn’t exactly free market. In fact, the county drawing attendance zones is actually manipulating the housing market.

You make the dumbest arguments. You should try to sue the county for conspiracy to keep you out of a good school pyramid. 🤣🤣🤣