School choice vs. attendance zones

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dumb idea, OP.

You can look at Jefferson County, KY. When they instituted the type of system you want, following the court-ordered merger with Louisville schools, people left for privates and moved to Oldham County.

This isn’t about merging school systems. It’s about creating more choice within a school system. If a family isn’t admitted to the public school of their choice, they can go to private. Threatening to go private suggests wealthy families are currently hoarding certain public schools as if they’re private. In that case, go ahead and pay for private and leave the good publics for other families.

You are essentially asking for a merger of successful and less successful schools, the result of which will be to create uniformly mediocre schools.

And your analogy about hoarding schools as if they are private falls flat when the parents of the schools you covet cover most of the costs for all the public schools in the county.

You’ll find little if any support for what you’re proposing among county officials.

Paying taxes doesn’t make you entitled to a certain school. Try again

In Fairfax, it really should, absent a truly compelling need to change boundaries.

Sorry you have nothing better to do today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dumb idea, OP.

You can look at Jefferson County, KY. When they instituted the type of system you want, following the court-ordered merger with Louisville schools, people left for privates and moved to Oldham County.

This isn’t about merging school systems. It’s about creating more choice within a school system. If a family isn’t admitted to the public school of their choice, they can go to private. Threatening to go private suggests wealthy families are currently hoarding certain public schools as if they’re private. In that case, go ahead and pay for private and leave the good publics for other families.

You are essentially asking for a merger of successful and less successful schools, the result of which will be to create uniformly mediocre schools.

And your analogy about hoarding schools as if they are private falls flat when the parents of the schools you covet cover most of the costs for all the public schools in the county.

You’ll find little if any support for what you’re proposing among county officials.

Paying taxes doesn’t make you entitled to a certain school. Try again

In Fairfax, it really should, absent a truly compelling need to change boundaries.

Sorry you have nothing better to do today.

But it doesn’t. Sorry the VA code isn’t on your side. Move to some tiny school district in New Jersey if you think that’s better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dumb idea, OP.

You can look at Jefferson County, KY. When they instituted the type of system you want, following the court-ordered merger with Louisville schools, people left for privates and moved to Oldham County.

This isn’t about merging school systems. It’s about creating more choice within a school system. If a family isn’t admitted to the public school of their choice, they can go to private. Threatening to go private suggests wealthy families are currently hoarding certain public schools as if they’re private. In that case, go ahead and pay for private and leave the good publics for other families.

You are essentially asking for a merger of successful and less successful schools, the result of which will be to create uniformly mediocre schools.

And your analogy about hoarding schools as if they are private falls flat when the parents of the schools you covet cover most of the costs for all the public schools in the county.

You’ll find little if any support for what you’re proposing among county officials.

Paying taxes doesn’t make you entitled to a certain school. Try again

In Fairfax, it really should, absent a truly compelling need to change boundaries.

Sorry you have nothing better to do today.

But it doesn’t. Sorry the VA code isn’t on your side. Move to some tiny school district in New Jersey if you think that’s better.

Sounds like you’re the one who needs to move, because you aren’t going to get what you’re after here.

You can look at the “Opening of Schools” report and see how Reid touted FCPS having 7 of the top 10 high schools in the state. There’s no appetite for having 24 lousy ones.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why not abolish attendance zones and allow families to apply to the schools they think are best for their kids within the county? If there are more apps than seats, choose by lottery. This should appeal to both conservatives and liberals. Conservatives love school choice and liberals love increased diversity in schools.

Nope.

We paid a ton of money for our specific high school zone, specifically because it is a neighborhood school with strong generational ties to the community, and a strong military community.

Your idea would take away that choice from us, the antithesis of school choice and vouchers.

Where in your housing contract were you guaranteed to attend the neighborhood school forever?

Your vision would cause UMC to leave in droves, but you know that, as you frequently argue your inane talking point.

Meh that’s doubtful. Some would move, some would go private. However, a lot don’t want to give up a low mortgage rate or move farther out and have a longer commute. Plus a more diverse socioeconomic Fairfax school could still be better than some other school systems. Stop with your fear mongering.

We’d be a lot better off if we spent more time figuring out what makes schools like Langley, McLean, Oakton, West Springfield, and Chantilly successful, and less time dreaming up new ways to tear them apart.

A large cohort of involved parents who value education and have the resources to supplement if needed. Everyone tries to pretend there's some secret formula but this is what it comes down to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not abolish attendance zones and allow families to apply to the schools they think are best for their kids within the county? If there are more apps than seats, choose by lottery. This should appeal to both conservatives and liberals. Conservatives love school choice and liberals love increased diversity in schools.

Nope.

We paid a ton of money for our specific high school zone, specifically because it is a neighborhood school with strong generational ties to the community, and a strong military community.

Your idea would take away that choice from us, the antithesis of school choice and vouchers.

Where in your housing contract were you guaranteed to attend the neighborhood school forever?

Your vision would cause UMC to leave in droves, but you know that, as you frequently argue your inane talking point.

Meh that’s doubtful. Some would move, some would go private. However, a lot don’t want to give up a low mortgage rate or move farther out and have a longer commute. Plus a more diverse socioeconomic Fairfax school could still be better than some other school systems. Stop with your fear mongering.

You’re becoming predictable, as you’ve given that inane retort too. Unfortunately for you, there is no way to equalize the FCPS experience unless you drag down the good schools. UMC families are the backbone of a lot of the good in the school system.

It’s not fearmongering because it’s true. People won’t buy in the system if there is uncertainty in school pyramids. Existing UMC are already leaving the system at an unfortunate pace, and you and the school board thinking that you can just screw these families over without consequence shows how out of touch you are.

We can agree to disagree. Threatening to move is a snoozer of an argument.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not abolish attendance zones and allow families to apply to the schools they think are best for their kids within the county? If there are more apps than seats, choose by lottery. This should appeal to both conservatives and liberals. Conservatives love school choice and liberals love increased diversity in schools.

Nope.

We paid a ton of money for our specific high school zone, specifically because it is a neighborhood school with strong generational ties to the community, and a strong military community.

Your idea would take away that choice from us, the antithesis of school choice and vouchers.

Where in your housing contract were you guaranteed to attend the neighborhood school forever?

Your vision would cause UMC to leave in droves, but you know that, as you frequently argue your inane talking point.

Meh that’s doubtful. Some would move, some would go private. However, a lot don’t want to give up a low mortgage rate or move farther out and have a longer commute. Plus a more diverse socioeconomic Fairfax school could still be better than some other school systems. Stop with your fear mongering.

We’d be a lot better off if we spent more time figuring out what makes schools like Langley, McLean, Oakton, West Springfield, and Chantilly successful, and less time dreaming up new ways to tear them apart.

+100. The SJW is really out there pushing her agenda today. It’s baffling that she thinks her scheme would do anything other than destroy the system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not abolish attendance zones and allow families to apply to the schools they think are best for their kids within the county? If there are more apps than seats, choose by lottery. This should appeal to both conservatives and liberals. Conservatives love school choice and liberals love increased diversity in schools.

Nope.

We paid a ton of money for our specific high school zone, specifically because it is a neighborhood school with strong generational ties to the community, and a strong military community.

Your idea would take away that choice from us, the antithesis of school choice and vouchers.

Where in your housing contract were you guaranteed to attend the neighborhood school forever?

Your vision would cause UMC to leave in droves, but you know that, as you frequently argue your inane talking point.

Meh that’s doubtful. Some would move, some would go private. However, a lot don’t want to give up a low mortgage rate or move farther out and have a longer commute. Plus a more diverse socioeconomic Fairfax school could still be better than some other school systems. Stop with your fear mongering.

You’re becoming predictable, as you’ve given that inane retort too. Unfortunately for you, there is no way to equalize the FCPS experience unless you drag down the good schools. UMC families are the backbone of a lot of the good in the school system.

It’s not fearmongering because it’s true. People won’t buy in the system if there is uncertainty in school pyramids. Existing UMC are already leaving the system at an unfortunate pace, and you and the school board thinking that you can just screw these families over without consequence shows how out of touch you are.

We can agree to disagree. Threatening to move is a snoozer of an argument.

You sound like you’ve got your own set of kellyanne conway alternative facts. I would be fine with you being confident in your incorrect assertion, but you are advocating for the demise of a good public school system that I believe is worth saving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dumb idea, OP.

You can look at Jefferson County, KY. When they instituted the type of system you want, following the court-ordered merger with Louisville schools, people left for privates and moved to Oldham County.

This isn’t about merging school systems. It’s about creating more choice within a school system. If a family isn’t admitted to the public school of their choice, they can go to private. Threatening to go private suggests wealthy families are currently hoarding certain public schools as if they’re private. In that case, go ahead and pay for private and leave the good publics for other families.

You are essentially asking for a merger of successful and less successful schools, the result of which will be to create uniformly mediocre schools.

And your analogy about hoarding schools as if they are private falls flat when the parents of the schools you covet cover most of the costs for all the public schools in the county.

You’ll find little if any support for what you’re proposing among county officials.

Paying taxes doesn’t make you entitled to a certain school. Try again

In Fairfax, it really should, absent a truly compelling need to change boundaries.

Sorry you have nothing better to do today.

But it doesn’t. Sorry the VA code isn’t on your side. Move to some tiny school district in New Jersey if you think that’s better.

Sounds like you’re the one who needs to move, because you aren’t going to get what you’re after here.

You can look at the “Opening of Schools” report and see how Reid touted FCPS having 7 of the top 10 high schools in the state. There’s no appetite for having 24 lousy ones.

Who’s to say school choice wouldn’t result in 10 of the top 10 schools in the state? I reject your premise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not abolish attendance zones and allow families to apply to the schools they think are best for their kids within the county? If there are more apps than seats, choose by lottery. This should appeal to both conservatives and liberals. Conservatives love school choice and liberals love increased diversity in schools.

Nope.

We paid a ton of money for our specific high school zone, specifically because it is a neighborhood school with strong generational ties to the community, and a strong military community.

Your idea would take away that choice from us, the antithesis of school choice and vouchers.

Where in your housing contract were you guaranteed to attend the neighborhood school forever?

Your vision would cause UMC to leave in droves, but you know that, as you frequently argue your inane talking point.

Meh that’s doubtful. Some would move, some would go private. However, a lot don’t want to give up a low mortgage rate or move farther out and have a longer commute. Plus a more diverse socioeconomic Fairfax school could still be better than some other school systems. Stop with your fear mongering.

You’re becoming predictable, as you’ve given that inane retort too. Unfortunately for you, there is no way to equalize the FCPS experience unless you drag down the good schools. UMC families are the backbone of a lot of the good in the school system.

It’s not fearmongering because it’s true. People won’t buy in the system if there is uncertainty in school pyramids. Existing UMC are already leaving the system at an unfortunate pace, and you and the school board thinking that you can just screw these families over without consequence shows how out of touch you are.

We can agree to disagree. Threatening to move is a snoozer of an argument.

You sound like you’ve got your own set of kellyanne conway alternative facts. I would be fine with you being confident in your incorrect assertion, but you are advocating for the demise of a good public school system that I believe is worth saving.

I’m advocating for a school system that works for more kids, not just kids zoned to certain schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dumb idea, OP.

You can look at Jefferson County, KY. When they instituted the type of system you want, following the court-ordered merger with Louisville schools, people left for privates and moved to Oldham County.

This isn’t about merging school systems. It’s about creating more choice within a school system. If a family isn’t admitted to the public school of their choice, they can go to private. Threatening to go private suggests wealthy families are currently hoarding certain public schools as if they’re private. In that case, go ahead and pay for private and leave the good publics for other families.

You are essentially asking for a merger of successful and less successful schools, the result of which will be to create uniformly mediocre schools.

And your analogy about hoarding schools as if they are private falls flat when the parents of the schools you covet cover most of the costs for all the public schools in the county.

You’ll find little if any support for what you’re proposing among county officials.

Paying taxes doesn’t make you entitled to a certain school. Try again

In Fairfax, it really should, absent a truly compelling need to change boundaries.

Sorry you have nothing better to do today.

But it doesn’t. Sorry the VA code isn’t on your side. Move to some tiny school district in New Jersey if you think that’s better.

Sounds like you’re the one who needs to move, because you aren’t going to get what you’re after here.

You can look at the “Opening of Schools” report and see how Reid touted FCPS having 7 of the top 10 high schools in the state. There’s no appetite for having 24 lousy ones.

Who’s to say school choice wouldn’t result in 10 of the top 10 schools in the state? I reject your premise.

Now you’re just entering sad attention whore territory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dumb idea, OP.

You can look at Jefferson County, KY. When they instituted the type of system you want, following the court-ordered merger with Louisville schools, people left for privates and moved to Oldham County.

This isn’t about merging school systems. It’s about creating more choice within a school system. If a family isn’t admitted to the public school of their choice, they can go to private. Threatening to go private suggests wealthy families are currently hoarding certain public schools as if they’re private. In that case, go ahead and pay for private and leave the good publics for other families.

You are essentially asking for a merger of successful and less successful schools, the result of which will be to create uniformly mediocre schools.

And your analogy about hoarding schools as if they are private falls flat when the parents of the schools you covet cover most of the costs for all the public schools in the county.

You’ll find little if any support for what you’re proposing among county officials.

Paying taxes doesn’t make you entitled to a certain school. Try again

In Fairfax, it really should, absent a truly compelling need to change boundaries.

Sorry you have nothing better to do today.

But it doesn’t. Sorry the VA code isn’t on your side. Move to some tiny school district in New Jersey if you think that’s better.

Sounds like you’re the one who needs to move, because you aren’t going to get what you’re after here.

You can look at the “Opening of Schools” report and see how Reid touted FCPS having 7 of the top 10 high schools in the state. There’s no appetite for having 24 lousy ones.

Who’s to say school choice wouldn’t result in 10 of the top 10 schools in the state? I reject your premise.

Now you’re just entering sad attention whore territory.

I’m advocating for more kids to have opportunity. Try to refrain from insulting terms if you’re interested in a thoughtful discussion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not abolish attendance zones and allow families to apply to the schools they think are best for their kids within the county? If there are more apps than seats, choose by lottery. This should appeal to both conservatives and liberals. Conservatives love school choice and liberals love increased diversity in schools.

Nope.

We paid a ton of money for our specific high school zone, specifically because it is a neighborhood school with strong generational ties to the community, and a strong military community.

Your idea would take away that choice from us, the antithesis of school choice and vouchers.

Where in your housing contract were you guaranteed to attend the neighborhood school forever?

Your vision would cause UMC to leave in droves, but you know that, as you frequently argue your inane talking point.

Meh that’s doubtful. Some would move, some would go private. However, a lot don’t want to give up a low mortgage rate or move farther out and have a longer commute. Plus a more diverse socioeconomic Fairfax school could still be better than some other school systems. Stop with your fear mongering.

We’d be a lot better off if we spent more time figuring out what makes schools like Langley, McLean, Oakton, West Springfield, and Chantilly successful, and less time dreaming up new ways to tear them apart.

A large cohort of involved parents who value education and have the resources to supplement if needed. Everyone tries to pretend there's some secret formula but this is what it comes down to.

Pretty much.

If there are schools that are doing well despite being significantly more socioeconomically diverse than the likes of Langley, then those should be studied to see what's making them successful despite circumstances.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dumb idea, OP.

You can look at Jefferson County, KY. When they instituted the type of system you want, following the court-ordered merger with Louisville schools, people left for privates and moved to Oldham County.

This isn’t about merging school systems. It’s about creating more choice within a school system. If a family isn’t admitted to the public school of their choice, they can go to private. Threatening to go private suggests wealthy families are currently hoarding certain public schools as if they’re private. In that case, go ahead and pay for private and leave the good publics for other families.

You are essentially asking for a merger of successful and less successful schools, the result of which will be to create uniformly mediocre schools.

And your analogy about hoarding schools as if they are private falls flat when the parents of the schools you covet cover most of the costs for all the public schools in the county.

You’ll find little if any support for what you’re proposing among county officials.

Paying taxes doesn’t make you entitled to a certain school. Try again

In Fairfax, it really should, absent a truly compelling need to change boundaries.

Sorry you have nothing better to do today.

But it doesn’t. Sorry the VA code isn’t on your side. Move to some tiny school district in New Jersey if you think that’s better.

Sounds like you’re the one who needs to move, because you aren’t going to get what you’re after here.

You can look at the “Opening of Schools” report and see how Reid touted FCPS having 7 of the top 10 high schools in the state. There’s no appetite for having 24 lousy ones.

Who’s to say school choice wouldn’t result in 10 of the top 10 schools in the state? I reject your premise.

Now you’re just entering sad attention whore territory.

I’m advocating for more kids to have opportunity. Try to refrain from insulting terms if you’re interested in a thoughtful discussion.

You haven’t said anything thoughtful. It’s the same old “if I can’t have what I want, let’s burn the whole house down” we regularly see from a few posters here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dumb idea, OP.

You can look at Jefferson County, KY. When they instituted the type of system you want, following the court-ordered merger with Louisville schools, people left for privates and moved to Oldham County.

This isn’t about merging school systems. It’s about creating more choice within a school system. If a family isn’t admitted to the public school of their choice, they can go to private. Threatening to go private suggests wealthy families are currently hoarding certain public schools as if they’re private. In that case, go ahead and pay for private and leave the good publics for other families.

You are essentially asking for a merger of successful and less successful schools, the result of which will be to create uniformly mediocre schools.

And your analogy about hoarding schools as if they are private falls flat when the parents of the schools you covet cover most of the costs for all the public schools in the county.

You’ll find little if any support for what you’re proposing among county officials.

Paying taxes doesn’t make you entitled to a certain school. Try again

In Fairfax, it really should, absent a truly compelling need to change boundaries.

Sorry you have nothing better to do today.

But it doesn’t. Sorry the VA code isn’t on your side. Move to some tiny school district in New Jersey if you think that’s better.

Sounds like you’re the one who needs to move, because you aren’t going to get what you’re after here.

You can look at the “Opening of Schools” report and see how Reid touted FCPS having 7 of the top 10 high schools in the state. There’s no appetite for having 24 lousy ones.

Who’s to say school choice wouldn’t result in 10 of the top 10 schools in the state? I reject your premise.

Now you’re just entering sad attention whore territory.

I’m advocating for more kids to have opportunity. Try to refrain from insulting terms if you’re interested in a thoughtful discussion.

You haven’t said anything thoughtful. It’s the same old “if I can’t have what I want, let’s burn the whole house down” we regularly see from a few posters here.

That’s your opinion. Fact remains, try to refrain from personal attacks.

[Anonymous]

Houston does this (and others). I think it's a reasonable idea. It's similar already to what FCPS has on a smaller scale (immersion, arts and science, etc magnets). Logistically there are challenges: buses, where people who don't engage go, second choice, hours, etc. etc.

But it gets around the loopholes that people are already finding.