School choice vs. attendance zones

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Anonymous wrote:OP is completely ignoring the fact that Thu’s already exists. If there is room in a school, you can always find a way to get your kid in there if you plan ahead.

Great. Then why do we still have attendance zones that are segregated by income?

DP. Easy question. Because not everybody is looking to selfishly screw over other people’s kids to get a little property value kick like you.

Dummies think that the county has somehow selected where people live rather than the free market doing its thing. Even if you were successful in watering down the good schools, people would continue to sort themselves, and you’d be back here a decade from now complaining about the same stuff. Really gross.

Let’s try to calm down, it’s not personal. Nobody is getting screwed, any student could apply to any school in the county. Just like you can go to any park in the county or visit any library.

The county draws arbitrary school lines that are the modern version of redlining. This is segregation based on income and other county services don’t operate this way.

When I started reading this thread, I was open to the argument. Now the SJWs are arguing that the county is segregating and redlining. Tells you all you need to know about the agenda.

The next thing you’re going to argue is that we need to pay reparations to anyone who attended a lower performing school.

TLDR, is that these aren’t serious arguments.

Hyperbole.

What’s your argument that attendance zones aren’t segregation based on income?

You think that deep blue Fairfax redlines and segregates. That’s all anyone reading this thread needs to know about the merits of your argument.

Okay. Prove me wrong with actual facts and data.

Here you go, clown.

https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/leadership/district-performance-transparency/title-i-program

Nope. Where is your proof that school boundaries are not correlated with household income? You have lots of PP’s suggesting schools impact their home values so do you disagree with them?

Try to make your argument without name-calling.

You said redlining and segregation. That’s very different than just school boundaries being correlated to income. You can try to change it up, but we can all scroll back to where you said deep blue Fairfax redlines and segregates. It’s one of the silliest arguments that I’ve read on this forum.

You need to go back to school and lessen correlation vs. causation. Especially when you are flippantly throwing around the terms that you are.

Let’s make this simple for you. Rich parents can buy their way into good public schools. Poor people can’t. That’s school segregation based on income that isn’t different from redlining due to arbitrary boundary lines established by the government.

DP. This is a silly argument. Neighborhoods are already composed of people with roughly similar income levels. The government is not creating these neighborhoods.

Rich parents don't have to buy their way into schools. Kids with resources ARE what make the schools good. Their parents hire tutors, travel with them, encourage/require enrichment extra curriculars, and purchase anything needed to support learning and test scores reflect that. Poor children will never have those resources and no government, teacher, or particular school building will change that.

Yet the government is creating school zones. You’re right, rich kids will be successful regardless but a smart poor kid could benefit greatly from being able to apply to a better school rather than zoned to a failing school.

How will poor kids benefit? What are you even suggesting? Bussing poor kids to rich schools?

Have you read the thread? Transportation could be provided within a reasonable radius from a student’s house. If a kid applies to a school farther away the family would be responsible for transportation. This isn’t mass bussing.

It is giving smart poor kids an opportunity for a fair chance which is the point of public education. If you need me to explain how school environments are different and how environment impacts success, I’m not sure that you’re being genuine. You may disagree with me but I’m trying to have a respectful conversation about an important issue.

If you'd allow this, who is to say the next school over is good enough? Maybe the parents should demand that their kid go across the county. This argument doesn't make sense.

If all schools have the equal offerings, the smart poor kid should be fine at Herndon.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s where your idea fails. If I was ones for a “bad” elementary school and we had school choice my family would have the means to get my kid to a different school if we chose to, but a lot of families would not. So all of the kids with means would vacate the school and make an already needy school even more needy. With school choice the only people with real choices are people that are able to get their kids to and from a new location. The ones that can’t swing it are doomed.

You’re right, it’s not perfect. But it could give some kids the opportunity they desperately need.

What opportunity do you think those kids aren't getting? All FCPS high schools offer honors courses, all FCPS high schools offer a plethora of AP or IB courses, all FCPS high schools offer music, theater, foreign language, visual arts. If there's a unique program your child wants that your base school doesn't offer, they are allowed to transfer.

Test scores at some schools are lower because some schools serve populations that struggle (impoverished, ELL). Those low scoring students are not in the AP/IB classes, so how are they diminishing other children's opportunities?

If you wanted to tell me that a child who was proficient in all subjects in 8th grade suddenly started failing all SOLs and AP/IB exams at a certain high school, that would be concerning. But a child who is proficient in 8th grade is going to be proficient in 9th grade at any school in the county.

So you’re willing to send your kid to Herndon since you say the opportunity is the same at every school?

Seeing as my child is zoned for Annandale, yeah, if I lived in Herndon I assume I'd be fine with them going to Herndon.

OP, your argument really seems to be "My child shouldn't have to go to school with poor kids", because truly the only difference between Herndon and whatever school is near it is the family income levels. A rich kid will do well at any school. Rich kids get tutors and pay for sport/music/hobby lessons outside of school. Poor kids don't.

Good for you, that’s really great. Please don’t misrepresent my argument which is all students should be able to apply to a public school of their choice within the system in which they live.

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Anonymous wrote:OP is completely ignoring the fact that Thu’s already exists. If there is room in a school, you can always find a way to get your kid in there if you plan ahead.

Great. Then why do we still have attendance zones that are segregated by income?

DP. Easy question. Because not everybody is looking to selfishly screw over other people’s kids to get a little property value kick like you.

Dummies think that the county has somehow selected where people live rather than the free market doing its thing. Even if you were successful in watering down the good schools, people would continue to sort themselves, and you’d be back here a decade from now complaining about the same stuff. Really gross.

Let’s try to calm down, it’s not personal. Nobody is getting screwed, any student could apply to any school in the county. Just like you can go to any park in the county or visit any library.

The county draws arbitrary school lines that are the modern version of redlining. This is segregation based on income and other county services don’t operate this way.

When I started reading this thread, I was open to the argument. Now the SJWs are arguing that the county is segregating and redlining. Tells you all you need to know about the agenda.

The next thing you’re going to argue is that we need to pay reparations to anyone who attended a lower performing school.

TLDR, is that these aren’t serious arguments.

Hyperbole.

What’s your argument that attendance zones aren’t segregation based on income?

You think that deep blue Fairfax redlines and segregates. That’s all anyone reading this thread needs to know about the merits of your argument.

Okay. Prove me wrong with actual facts and data.

Here you go, clown.

https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/leadership/district-performance-transparency/title-i-program

Nope. Where is your proof that school boundaries are not correlated with household income? You have lots of PP’s suggesting schools impact their home values so do you disagree with them?

Try to make your argument without name-calling.

You said redlining and segregation. That’s very different than just school boundaries being correlated to income. You can try to change it up, but we can all scroll back to where you said deep blue Fairfax redlines and segregates. It’s one of the silliest arguments that I’ve read on this forum.

You need to go back to school and lessen correlation vs. causation. Especially when you are flippantly throwing around the terms that you are.

Let’s make this simple for you. Rich parents can buy their way into good public schools. Poor people can’t. That’s school segregation based on income that isn’t different from redlining due to arbitrary boundary lines established by the government.

DP. This is a silly argument. Neighborhoods are already composed of people with roughly similar income levels. The government is not creating these neighborhoods.

Rich parents don't have to buy their way into schools. Kids with resources ARE what make the schools good. Their parents hire tutors, travel with them, encourage/require enrichment extra curriculars, and purchase anything needed to support learning and test scores reflect that. Poor children will never have those resources and no government, teacher, or particular school building will change that.

Yet the government is creating school zones. You’re right, rich kids will be successful regardless but a smart poor kid could benefit greatly from being able to apply to a better school rather than zoned to a failing school.

How will poor kids benefit? What are you even suggesting? Bussing poor kids to rich schools?

Have you read the thread? Transportation could be provided within a reasonable radius from a student’s house. If a kid applies to a school farther away the family would be responsible for transportation. This isn’t mass bussing.

It is giving smart poor kids an opportunity for a fair chance which is the point of public education. If you need me to explain how school environments are different and how environment impacts success, I’m not sure that you’re being genuine. You may disagree with me but I’m trying to have a respectful conversation about an important issue.

If you'd allow this, who is to say the next school over is good enough? Maybe the parents should demand that their kid go across the county. This argument doesn't make sense.

If all schools have the equal offerings, the smart poor kid should be fine at Herndon.

Hyperbole.

Sure, some smart kids are successful at Herndon. However, if a family doesn’t think it’s the right environment they should be able to apply to any public school in the district in which they live.

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If you think there are “haves” and “have nots” now the issue only gets worse with school choice.

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Anonymous wrote:OP is completely ignoring the fact that Thu’s already exists. If there is room in a school, you can always find a way to get your kid in there if you plan ahead.

Great. Then why do we still have attendance zones that are segregated by income?

DP. Easy question. Because not everybody is looking to selfishly screw over other people’s kids to get a little property value kick like you.

Dummies think that the county has somehow selected where people live rather than the free market doing its thing. Even if you were successful in watering down the good schools, people would continue to sort themselves, and you’d be back here a decade from now complaining about the same stuff. Really gross.

Let’s try to calm down, it’s not personal. Nobody is getting screwed, any student could apply to any school in the county. Just like you can go to any park in the county or visit any library.

The county draws arbitrary school lines that are the modern version of redlining. This is segregation based on income and other county services don’t operate this way.

When I started reading this thread, I was open to the argument. Now the SJWs are arguing that the county is segregating and redlining. Tells you all you need to know about the agenda.

The next thing you’re going to argue is that we need to pay reparations to anyone who attended a lower performing school.

TLDR, is that these aren’t serious arguments.

Hyperbole.

What’s your argument that attendance zones aren’t segregation based on income?

You think that deep blue Fairfax redlines and segregates. That’s all anyone reading this thread needs to know about the merits of your argument.

Okay. Prove me wrong with actual facts and data.

Here you go, clown.

https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/leadership/district-performance-transparency/title-i-program

Nope. Where is your proof that school boundaries are not correlated with household income? You have lots of PP’s suggesting schools impact their home values so do you disagree with them?

Try to make your argument without name-calling.

You said redlining and segregation. That’s very different than just school boundaries being correlated to income. You can try to change it up, but we can all scroll back to where you said deep blue Fairfax redlines and segregates. It’s one of the silliest arguments that I’ve read on this forum.

You need to go back to school and lessen correlation vs. causation. Especially when you are flippantly throwing around the terms that you are.

Let’s make this simple for you. Rich parents can buy their way into good public schools. Poor people can’t. That’s school segregation based on income that isn’t different from redlining due to arbitrary boundary lines established by the government.

It is very different from redlining and it is very different from segregation.

Anyway, nice social experiment you’ve spun up for yourself. Good luck getting even the most left school board members to consider it.

If you don’t think being able to buy your way into a better school is segregation based on income, prove it. If you don’t think arbitrary school zones are similar to redlining, prove it.

You do know that redlining was the act of depriving communities of resources, right? That’s why I posted the Title I page for FCPS. It talks about the additional resources that flow to title I schools. You started your response to that with “Nope.” That’s why you aren’t a serious person.

Anyway, I have proved my point, you’ve proven literally nothing, and no matter the evidence, all you say is “prove it” like you’re Judge Judy. I think I’ve wasted enough time with this little social thought experiment of yours, and I’m quite confident that it’ll never happen, so you’ll just have to go on asking for “proof” indefinitely. You and RFK Jr should team up, eh?

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Anonymous wrote:OP is completely ignoring the fact that Thu’s already exists. If there is room in a school, you can always find a way to get your kid in there if you plan ahead.

Great. Then why do we still have attendance zones that are segregated by income?

DP. Easy question. Because not everybody is looking to selfishly screw over other people’s kids to get a little property value kick like you.

Dummies think that the county has somehow selected where people live rather than the free market doing its thing. Even if you were successful in watering down the good schools, people would continue to sort themselves, and you’d be back here a decade from now complaining about the same stuff. Really gross.

Let’s try to calm down, it’s not personal. Nobody is getting screwed, any student could apply to any school in the county. Just like you can go to any park in the county or visit any library.

The county draws arbitrary school lines that are the modern version of redlining. This is segregation based on income and other county services don’t operate this way.

When I started reading this thread, I was open to the argument. Now the SJWs are arguing that the county is segregating and redlining. Tells you all you need to know about the agenda.

The next thing you’re going to argue is that we need to pay reparations to anyone who attended a lower performing school.

TLDR, is that these aren’t serious arguments.

Hyperbole.

What’s your argument that attendance zones aren’t segregation based on income?

You think that deep blue Fairfax redlines and segregates. That’s all anyone reading this thread needs to know about the merits of your argument.

Okay. Prove me wrong with actual facts and data.

Here you go, clown.

https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/leadership/district-performance-transparency/title-i-program

Nope. Where is your proof that school boundaries are not correlated with household income? You have lots of PP’s suggesting schools impact their home values so do you disagree with them?

Try to make your argument without name-calling.

You said redlining and segregation. That’s very different than just school boundaries being correlated to income. You can try to change it up, but we can all scroll back to where you said deep blue Fairfax redlines and segregates. It’s one of the silliest arguments that I’ve read on this forum.

You need to go back to school and lessen correlation vs. causation. Especially when you are flippantly throwing around the terms that you are.

Let’s make this simple for you. Rich parents can buy their way into good public schools. Poor people can’t. That’s school segregation based on income that isn’t different from redlining due to arbitrary boundary lines established by the government.

It is very different from redlining and it is very different from segregation.

Anyway, nice social experiment you’ve spun up for yourself. Good luck getting even the most left school board members to consider it.

If you don’t think being able to buy your way into a better school is segregation based on income, prove it. If you don’t think arbitrary school zones are similar to redlining, prove it.

You do know that redlining was the act of depriving communities of resources, right? That’s why I posted the Title I page for FCPS. It talks about the additional resources that flow to title I schools. You started your response to that with “Nope.” That’s why you aren’t a serious person.

Anyway, I have proved my point, you’ve proven literally nothing, and no matter the evidence, all you say is “prove it” like you’re Judge Judy. I think I’ve wasted enough time with this little social thought experiment of yours, and I’m quite confident that it’ll never happen, so you’ll just have to go on asking for “proof” indefinitely. You and RFK Jr should team up, eh?

And it’s about access. Redlining kept certain people out of certain neighborhoods. School zones keep certain students out of certain schools.