The Five school districts with Title IX violations, how much money do they stand to lose?

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Anonymous wrote:Replies in this thread should tell you how this issue is going to go. APS et al. are going to lose in court, badly, because even the courts now understand the insanity of these policies. There's a decent chance the 4th circuit reverses itself just to prevent SCOTUS from making a more sweeping and durable precedent (and to spare themselves the embarrassment). This is an 80/20 issue that even the Gen-z high schoolers are turning against. NOVA is so far out over its skis on this and it's a shame. The admins would rather stick their thumbs in the eye of the administration because it costs them nothing, but losing federal funds is going to hurt a lot more students.

You could have just let a half-dozen kids use the single-shot adult bathrooms/changing areas on an informal basis, and this would have been a total non-issue. But that wasn't enough.

Just like with school re-opening, just like with masking, you people insist on turning school administrators into avatars for your own revenge fantasies against national political figures. It's a pipe dream. You're going to lose, and rather than lose gracefully you're going to lose as ugly as possible, and somehow each time it happens you manage to pick an issue to lose ugly on that's even dumber and less popular. The funds will get cut off, the school year will be disrupted, and students will bear the brunt of it, and you and the school administrations are going to pat themselves on the back, feel good about yourselves, nominate the Superintendent for a few more awards, while claiming you bear none of the blame for the damage that this exceedingly stupid fight caused.

No one seriously thinks the schools are going to win this. You have to deal with reality as you find it, not as you wish it would be.

Say that last sentence again louder for the people in the back. The private sector has already figured this out. The reason so many companies are bending the knee (Apple, Paramount, AMD, etc...) is because it's a simple calculation - pay some millions now to save billions worth of headache later. And banking on all of this dumb-assery passing in 3.5 years. APS would do well to take a lesson here - take the L now, which costs very little (but not nothing! it's still gross what the admin is doing), in order to save a much larger sum being taken away later on.

tl;dr - utilitarianism

Neville Chamberlain would like a word about the dangers of appeasement.

Perhaps a poorly written policy that already enabled at least one creep to freely access the women’s locker room is not the hill to die on.

And now all adults have to show ID to confirm they are not sex offenders. Good policy, long overdue. Don’t need to attack 12-year old trans kids anymore.

And if the perpetrator is a student…?

Then they would know that already?

But let’s not forget - for pretty much the entirety of human history, girls have faced the greatest risk of sexual assault from - get this - BOYS and MEN claiming to be nothing other than BOYS and/or MEN.

A woman’s sign on the wall hasn’t stopped them from barging in the past when they decide they wanted to be raped and it hasn’t stopped them barging in now when they want to transvestigate. Bathrooms aren’t suddenly more dangerous because a kid in estrogen wants to get dressed without getting beat down.

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Anonymous wrote:Replies in this thread should tell you how this issue is going to go. APS et al. are going to lose in court, badly, because even the courts now understand the insanity of these policies. There's a decent chance the 4th circuit reverses itself just to prevent SCOTUS from making a more sweeping and durable precedent (and to spare themselves the embarrassment). This is an 80/20 issue that even the Gen-z high schoolers are turning against. NOVA is so far out over its skis on this and it's a shame. The admins would rather stick their thumbs in the eye of the administration because it costs them nothing, but losing federal funds is going to hurt a lot more students.

You could have just let a half-dozen kids use the single-shot adult bathrooms/changing areas on an informal basis, and this would have been a total non-issue. But that wasn't enough.

Just like with school re-opening, just like with masking, you people insist on turning school administrators into avatars for your own revenge fantasies against national political figures. It's a pipe dream. You're going to lose, and rather than lose gracefully you're going to lose as ugly as possible, and somehow each time it happens you manage to pick an issue to lose ugly on that's even dumber and less popular. The funds will get cut off, the school year will be disrupted, and students will bear the brunt of it, and you and the school administrations are going to pat themselves on the back, feel good about yourselves, nominate the Superintendent for a few more awards, while claiming you bear none of the blame for the damage that this exceedingly stupid fight caused.

No one seriously thinks the schools are going to win this. You have to deal with reality as you find it, not as you wish it would be.

Say that last sentence again louder for the people in the back. The private sector has already figured this out. The reason so many companies are bending the knee (Apple, Paramount, AMD, etc...) is because it's a simple calculation - pay some millions now to save billions worth of headache later. And banking on all of this dumb-assery passing in 3.5 years. APS would do well to take a lesson here - take the L now, which costs very little (but not nothing! it's still gross what the admin is doing), in order to save a much larger sum being taken away later on.

tl;dr - utilitarianism

Neville Chamberlain would like a word about the dangers of appeasement.

Perhaps a poorly written policy that already enabled at least one creep to freely access the women’s locker room is not the hill to die on.

And now all adults have to show ID to confirm they are not sex offenders. Good policy, long overdue. Don’t need to attack 12-year old trans kids anymore.

And if the perpetrator is a student…?

Then they would know that already?

But let’s not forget - for pretty much the entirety of human history, girls have faced the greatest risk of sexual assault from - get this - BOYS and MEN claiming to be nothing other than BOYS and/or MEN.

A woman’s sign on the wall hasn’t stopped them from barging in the past when they decide they wanted to be raped and it hasn’t stopped them barging in now when they want to transvestigate. Bathrooms aren’t suddenly more dangerous because a kid in estrogen wants to get dressed without getting beat down.

Yes they are. Research has shown that women and girls are more likely to be assaulted in mixed sex spaces. Furthermore until trans activists came along, women had the ability to expel man in the women’s room because of social norms.

Stop advocating on behalf of sexual predators, you are a naive fool.

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Anonymous wrote:Replies in this thread should tell you how this issue is going to go. APS et al. are going to lose in court, badly, because even the courts now understand the insanity of these policies. There's a decent chance the 4th circuit reverses itself just to prevent SCOTUS from making a more sweeping and durable precedent (and to spare themselves the embarrassment). This is an 80/20 issue that even the Gen-z high schoolers are turning against. NOVA is so far out over its skis on this and it's a shame. The admins would rather stick their thumbs in the eye of the administration because it costs them nothing, but losing federal funds is going to hurt a lot more students.

You could have just let a half-dozen kids use the single-shot adult bathrooms/changing areas on an informal basis, and this would have been a total non-issue. But that wasn't enough.

Just like with school re-opening, just like with masking, you people insist on turning school administrators into avatars for your own revenge fantasies against national political figures. It's a pipe dream. You're going to lose, and rather than lose gracefully you're going to lose as ugly as possible, and somehow each time it happens you manage to pick an issue to lose ugly on that's even dumber and less popular. The funds will get cut off, the school year will be disrupted, and students will bear the brunt of it, and you and the school administrations are going to pat themselves on the back, feel good about yourselves, nominate the Superintendent for a few more awards, while claiming you bear none of the blame for the damage that this exceedingly stupid fight caused.

No one seriously thinks the schools are going to win this. You have to deal with reality as you find it, not as you wish it would be.

Say that last sentence again louder for the people in the back. The private sector has already figured this out. The reason so many companies are bending the knee (Apple, Paramount, AMD, etc...) is because it's a simple calculation - pay some millions now to save billions worth of headache later. And banking on all of this dumb-assery passing in 3.5 years. APS would do well to take a lesson here - take the L now, which costs very little (but not nothing! it's still gross what the admin is doing), in order to save a much larger sum being taken away later on.

tl;dr - utilitarianism

Neville Chamberlain would like a word about the dangers of appeasement.

Perhaps a poorly written policy that already enabled at least one creep to freely access the women’s locker room is not the hill to die on.

And now all adults have to show ID to confirm they are not sex offenders. Good policy, long overdue. Don’t need to attack 12-year old trans kids anymore.

And if the perpetrator is a student…?

Then they would know that already?

But let’s not forget - for pretty much the entirety of human history, girls have faced the greatest risk of sexual assault from - get this - BOYS and MEN claiming to be nothing other than BOYS and/or MEN.

A woman’s sign on the wall hasn’t stopped them from barging in the past when they decide they wanted to be raped and it hasn’t stopped them barging in now when they want to transvestigate. Bathrooms aren’t suddenly more dangerous because a kid in estrogen wants to get dressed without getting beat down.

A policy that states “Access to facilities that correspond to a student’s gender identity will be available to all students” means that staff can’t actually do anything to the person barging in as long as they say they are the gender matching the sign. There’s no room for judgment about intentions. You are assuming everyone has good intent and will use the policy in good faith. Clearly, that is not true.

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Anonymous wrote:Replies in this thread should tell you how this issue is going to go. APS et al. are going to lose in court, badly, because even the courts now understand the insanity of these policies. There's a decent chance the 4th circuit reverses itself just to prevent SCOTUS from making a more sweeping and durable precedent (and to spare themselves the embarrassment). This is an 80/20 issue that even the Gen-z high schoolers are turning against. NOVA is so far out over its skis on this and it's a shame. The admins would rather stick their thumbs in the eye of the administration because it costs them nothing, but losing federal funds is going to hurt a lot more students.

You could have just let a half-dozen kids use the single-shot adult bathrooms/changing areas on an informal basis, and this would have been a total non-issue. But that wasn't enough.

Just like with school re-opening, just like with masking, you people insist on turning school administrators into avatars for your own revenge fantasies against national political figures. It's a pipe dream. You're going to lose, and rather than lose gracefully you're going to lose as ugly as possible, and somehow each time it happens you manage to pick an issue to lose ugly on that's even dumber and less popular. The funds will get cut off, the school year will be disrupted, and students will bear the brunt of it, and you and the school administrations are going to pat themselves on the back, feel good about yourselves, nominate the Superintendent for a few more awards, while claiming you bear none of the blame for the damage that this exceedingly stupid fight caused.

No one seriously thinks the schools are going to win this. You have to deal with reality as you find it, not as you wish it would be.

Say that last sentence again louder for the people in the back. The private sector has already figured this out. The reason so many companies are bending the knee (Apple, Paramount, AMD, etc...) is because it's a simple calculation - pay some millions now to save billions worth of headache later. And banking on all of this dumb-assery passing in 3.5 years. APS would do well to take a lesson here - take the L now, which costs very little (but not nothing! it's still gross what the admin is doing), in order to save a much larger sum being taken away later on.

tl;dr - utilitarianism

Neville Chamberlain would like a word about the dangers of appeasement.

Perhaps a poorly written policy that already enabled at least one creep to freely access the women’s locker room is not the hill to die on.

And now all adults have to show ID to confirm they are not sex offenders. Good policy, long overdue. Don’t need to attack 12-year old trans kids anymore.

And if the perpetrator is a student…?

Then they would know that already?

But let’s not forget - for pretty much the entirety of human history, girls have faced the greatest risk of sexual assault from - get this - BOYS and MEN claiming to be nothing other than BOYS and/or MEN.

A woman’s sign on the wall hasn’t stopped them from barging in the past when they decide they wanted to be raped and it hasn’t stopped them barging in now when they want to transvestigate. Bathrooms aren’t suddenly more dangerous because a kid in estrogen wants to get dressed without getting beat down.

A policy that states “Access to facilities that correspond to a student’s gender identity will be available to all students” means that staff can’t actually do anything to the person barging in as long as they say they are the gender matching the sign. There’s no room for judgment about intentions. You are assuming everyone has good intent and will use the policy in good faith. Clearly, that is not true.

Except in the single example cited, the person was in fact a known sex offender with a history of being creepy. He should never been allowed in any school or any public facility with a locker room.

But if you want to pull your examples showing that no woman was ever raped or assaulted in a single sex bathroom or locker room prior to the current GOP trans panic, I’ll gladly consider them.

Having actually used women’s rooms for the last 40 or so years, I’ve never counted a sign on the wall to protect me. Social norms don’t mean crap when you’re in there by yourself, as every rapist knows. And as every woman knows, you’re more likely to be raped by someone you know, like a trusted adult, a boyfriend or male “friend,” or your youth minister.

just on pure statistics alone, the most dangerous “man in a dress” that a child will ever encounter is a priest. I wish the GOP would react to the epidemic of child abusing ministers like they do innocent trans children.

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Anonymous wrote:Replies in this thread should tell you how this issue is going to go. APS et al. are going to lose in court, badly, because even the courts now understand the insanity of these policies. There's a decent chance the 4th circuit reverses itself just to prevent SCOTUS from making a more sweeping and durable precedent (and to spare themselves the embarrassment). This is an 80/20 issue that even the Gen-z high schoolers are turning against. NOVA is so far out over its skis on this and it's a shame. The admins would rather stick their thumbs in the eye of the administration because it costs them nothing, but losing federal funds is going to hurt a lot more students.

You could have just let a half-dozen kids use the single-shot adult bathrooms/changing areas on an informal basis, and this would have been a total non-issue. But that wasn't enough.

Just like with school re-opening, just like with masking, you people insist on turning school administrators into avatars for your own revenge fantasies against national political figures. It's a pipe dream. You're going to lose, and rather than lose gracefully you're going to lose as ugly as possible, and somehow each time it happens you manage to pick an issue to lose ugly on that's even dumber and less popular. The funds will get cut off, the school year will be disrupted, and students will bear the brunt of it, and you and the school administrations are going to pat themselves on the back, feel good about yourselves, nominate the Superintendent for a few more awards, while claiming you bear none of the blame for the damage that this exceedingly stupid fight caused.

No one seriously thinks the schools are going to win this. You have to deal with reality as you find it, not as you wish it would be.

Say that last sentence again louder for the people in the back. The private sector has already figured this out. The reason so many companies are bending the knee (Apple, Paramount, AMD, etc...) is because it's a simple calculation - pay some millions now to save billions worth of headache later. And banking on all of this dumb-assery passing in 3.5 years. APS would do well to take a lesson here - take the L now, which costs very little (but not nothing! it's still gross what the admin is doing), in order to save a much larger sum being taken away later on.

tl;dr - utilitarianism

Neville Chamberlain would like a word about the dangers of appeasement.

Perhaps a poorly written policy that already enabled at least one creep to freely access the women’s locker room is not the hill to die on.

And now all adults have to show ID to confirm they are not sex offenders. Good policy, long overdue. Don’t need to attack 12-year old trans kids anymore.

And if the perpetrator is a student…?

Then they would know that already?

But let’s not forget - for pretty much the entirety of human history, girls have faced the greatest risk of sexual assault from - get this - BOYS and MEN claiming to be nothing other than BOYS and/or MEN.

A woman’s sign on the wall hasn’t stopped them from barging in the past when they decide they wanted to be raped and it hasn’t stopped them barging in now when they want to transvestigate. Bathrooms aren’t suddenly more dangerous because a kid in estrogen wants to get dressed without getting beat down.

Well said.

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Anonymous wrote:Replies in this thread should tell you how this issue is going to go. APS et al. are going to lose in court, badly, because even the courts now understand the insanity of these policies. There's a decent chance the 4th circuit reverses itself just to prevent SCOTUS from making a more sweeping and durable precedent (and to spare themselves the embarrassment). This is an 80/20 issue that even the Gen-z high schoolers are turning against. NOVA is so far out over its skis on this and it's a shame. The admins would rather stick their thumbs in the eye of the administration because it costs them nothing, but losing federal funds is going to hurt a lot more students.

You could have just let a half-dozen kids use the single-shot adult bathrooms/changing areas on an informal basis, and this would have been a total non-issue. But that wasn't enough.

Just like with school re-opening, just like with masking, you people insist on turning school administrators into avatars for your own revenge fantasies against national political figures. It's a pipe dream. You're going to lose, and rather than lose gracefully you're going to lose as ugly as possible, and somehow each time it happens you manage to pick an issue to lose ugly on that's even dumber and less popular. The funds will get cut off, the school year will be disrupted, and students will bear the brunt of it, and you and the school administrations are going to pat themselves on the back, feel good about yourselves, nominate the Superintendent for a few more awards, while claiming you bear none of the blame for the damage that this exceedingly stupid fight caused.

No one seriously thinks the schools are going to win this. You have to deal with reality as you find it, not as you wish it would be.

Say that last sentence again louder for the people in the back. The private sector has already figured this out. The reason so many companies are bending the knee (Apple, Paramount, AMD, etc...) is because it's a simple calculation - pay some millions now to save billions worth of headache later. And banking on all of this dumb-assery passing in 3.5 years. APS would do well to take a lesson here - take the L now, which costs very little (but not nothing! it's still gross what the admin is doing), in order to save a much larger sum being taken away later on.

tl;dr - utilitarianism

Neville Chamberlain would like a word about the dangers of appeasement.

Perhaps a poorly written policy that already enabled at least one creep to freely access the women’s locker room is not the hill to die on.

And now all adults have to show ID to confirm they are not sex offenders. Good policy, long overdue. Don’t need to attack 12-year old trans kids anymore.

And if the perpetrator is a student…?

Then they would know that already?

But let’s not forget - for pretty much the entirety of human history, girls have faced the greatest risk of sexual assault from - get this - BOYS and MEN claiming to be nothing other than BOYS and/or MEN.

A woman’s sign on the wall hasn’t stopped them from barging in the past when they decide they wanted to be raped and it hasn’t stopped them barging in now when they want to transvestigate. Bathrooms aren’t suddenly more dangerous because a kid in estrogen wants to get dressed without getting beat down.

Yes they are. Research has shown that women and girls are more likely to be assaulted in mixed sex spaces. Furthermore until trans activists came along, women had the ability to expel man in the women’s room because of social norms.

Stop advocating on behalf of sexual predators, you are a naive fool.

Yes, where men are present, women are at greater risk. You haven’t proven that where trans people are present, women are at greater risk. You keep pointing to examples of pervert men as a reason to bully trans children.

How about we actually put some consequences on the men and boys who rape and assault girls instead of blaming the girls for what they were doing or not doing at the time?

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Anonymous wrote:Replies in this thread should tell you how this issue is going to go. APS et al. are going to lose in court, badly, because even the courts now understand the insanity of these policies. There's a decent chance the 4th circuit reverses itself just to prevent SCOTUS from making a more sweeping and durable precedent (and to spare themselves the embarrassment). This is an 80/20 issue that even the Gen-z high schoolers are turning against. NOVA is so far out over its skis on this and it's a shame. The admins would rather stick their thumbs in the eye of the administration because it costs them nothing, but losing federal funds is going to hurt a lot more students.

You could have just let a half-dozen kids use the single-shot adult bathrooms/changing areas on an informal basis, and this would have been a total non-issue. But that wasn't enough.

Just like with school re-opening, just like with masking, you people insist on turning school administrators into avatars for your own revenge fantasies against national political figures. It's a pipe dream. You're going to lose, and rather than lose gracefully you're going to lose as ugly as possible, and somehow each time it happens you manage to pick an issue to lose ugly on that's even dumber and less popular. The funds will get cut off, the school year will be disrupted, and students will bear the brunt of it, and you and the school administrations are going to pat themselves on the back, feel good about yourselves, nominate the Superintendent for a few more awards, while claiming you bear none of the blame for the damage that this exceedingly stupid fight caused.

No one seriously thinks the schools are going to win this. You have to deal with reality as you find it, not as you wish it would be.

Say that last sentence again louder for the people in the back. The private sector has already figured this out. The reason so many companies are bending the knee (Apple, Paramount, AMD, etc...) is because it's a simple calculation - pay some millions now to save billions worth of headache later. And banking on all of this dumb-assery passing in 3.5 years. APS would do well to take a lesson here - take the L now, which costs very little (but not nothing! it's still gross what the admin is doing), in order to save a much larger sum being taken away later on.

tl;dr - utilitarianism

Neville Chamberlain would like a word about the dangers of appeasement.

Perhaps a poorly written policy that already enabled at least one creep to freely access the women’s locker room is not the hill to die on.

And now all adults have to show ID to confirm they are not sex offenders. Good policy, long overdue. Don’t need to attack 12-year old trans kids anymore.

And if the perpetrator is a student…?

Then they would know that already?

But let’s not forget - for pretty much the entirety of human history, girls have faced the greatest risk of sexual assault from - get this - BOYS and MEN claiming to be nothing other than BOYS and/or MEN.

A woman’s sign on the wall hasn’t stopped them from barging in the past when they decide they wanted to be raped and it hasn’t stopped them barging in now when they want to transvestigate. Bathrooms aren’t suddenly more dangerous because a kid in estrogen wants to get dressed without getting beat down.

A policy that states “Access to facilities that correspond to a student’s gender identity will be available to all students” means that staff can’t actually do anything to the person barging in as long as they say they are the gender matching the sign. There’s no room for judgment about intentions. You are assuming everyone has good intent and will use the policy in good faith. Clearly, that is not true.

Except in the single example cited, the person was in fact a known sex offender with a history of being creepy. He should never been allowed in any school or any public facility with a locker room.

But if you want to pull your examples showing that no woman was ever raped or assaulted in a single sex bathroom or locker room prior to the current GOP trans panic, I’ll gladly consider them.

Having actually used women’s rooms for the last 40 or so years, I’ve never counted a sign on the wall to protect me. Social norms don’t mean crap when you’re in there by yourself, as every rapist knows. And as every woman knows, you’re more likely to be raped by someone you know, like a trusted adult, a boyfriend or male “friend,” or your youth minister.

just on pure statistics alone, the most dangerous “man in a dress” that a child will ever encounter is a priest. I wish the GOP would react to the epidemic of child abusing ministers like they do innocent trans children.

I’m seeing a lot of strawmen. If the policy was simply to provide a private place for any transgender person, that would be fine. Having policy that allows anyone in any locker room or bathroom, no questions asked or allowed is bad. That’s where public opinion is on this. APS is going to lose badly and give ammunition to the republicans, but you obviously don’t care as long as you can prove your own political purity to your friends.

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Anonymous wrote:What is really the big deal about using a private bathroom? Why is that not good enough?!

It’s weird. The trans proponents will negotiate on absolutely nothing.

I am transgender and used single room staff bathrooms in high school, even when I was kicked out of them. This fantasy of evil trans people who hate unisex spaces is a lie.

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Anonymous wrote:Wait? NCAA has tracked back but APS and FCPS haven’t?

“The school division policies allow students of the opposite sex access to sex-separated facilities. They also allow students of the opposite sex to participate in sex-separated sports.“

I guess I’ll start looking at single sex private schools for high school. I thought we realized that very few people want this, and it’s unfair to women.

Please go say this under your real name. Own it if you really think this is right. If you just stay anonymous you must know on some level how hateful your views are.

Please post your name so we can see how hateful you are towards women, and how much you despise young women in particular. Thanks!

I find it very creepy when Republicans (and lesbians) are obsessed with naked young girls in locker rooms. Like when they write about them in great detail in their blog. Must be a fetish or something.

That’s you with the fetish, my gross friend. Nobody wants people like you around kids. That paragraph you just wrote gives you away entirely. Stay away from kids.

I just described what some anti-trans people write in their blogs. Gross, right?

These are not people we want in locker rooms with young girls.

You are disgusting. Stay far away from kids.

Yes, the words are disgusting.

I hope that creepy TERFs stop going to my local pool and then writing about it in great detail on their blog.

^ in fact, I think I'm going to let the pool manager know about this blog and see if we can get her blocked.

What is this referring to?

A local TERF (term she calls herself) writes in great about nudity in the women’s locker room. She writes about her own exhibitionism as well young girls dancing around naked.

Seems super creepy and somewhat predatory to me.

Link or it didn’t happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Replies in this thread should tell you how this issue is going to go. APS et al. are going to lose in court, badly, because even the courts now understand the insanity of these policies. There's a decent chance the 4th circuit reverses itself just to prevent SCOTUS from making a more sweeping and durable precedent (and to spare themselves the embarrassment). This is an 80/20 issue that even the Gen-z high schoolers are turning against. NOVA is so far out over its skis on this and it's a shame. The admins would rather stick their thumbs in the eye of the administration because it costs them nothing, but losing federal funds is going to hurt a lot more students.

You could have just let a half-dozen kids use the single-shot adult bathrooms/changing areas on an informal basis, and this would have been a total non-issue. But that wasn't enough.

Just like with school re-opening, just like with masking, you people insist on turning school administrators into avatars for your own revenge fantasies against national political figures. It's a pipe dream. You're going to lose, and rather than lose gracefully you're going to lose as ugly as possible, and somehow each time it happens you manage to pick an issue to lose ugly on that's even dumber and less popular. The funds will get cut off, the school year will be disrupted, and students will bear the brunt of it, and you and the school administrations are going to pat themselves on the back, feel good about yourselves, nominate the Superintendent for a few more awards, while claiming you bear none of the blame for the damage that this exceedingly stupid fight caused.

No one seriously thinks the schools are going to win this. You have to deal with reality as you find it, not as you wish it would be.

Say that last sentence again louder for the people in the back. The private sector has already figured this out. The reason so many companies are bending the knee (Apple, Paramount, AMD, etc...) is because it's a simple calculation - pay some millions now to save billions worth of headache later. And banking on all of this dumb-assery passing in 3.5 years. APS would do well to take a lesson here - take the L now, which costs very little (but not nothing! it's still gross what the admin is doing), in order to save a much larger sum being taken away later on.

tl;dr - utilitarianism

Neville Chamberlain would like a word about the dangers of appeasement.

Perhaps a poorly written policy that already enabled at least one creep to freely access the women’s locker room is not the hill to die on.

And now all adults have to show ID to confirm they are not sex offenders. Good policy, long overdue. Don’t need to attack 12-year old trans kids anymore.

And if the perpetrator is a student…?

Then they would know that already?

But let’s not forget - for pretty much the entirety of human history, girls have faced the greatest risk of sexual assault from - get this - BOYS and MEN claiming to be nothing other than BOYS and/or MEN.

A woman’s sign on the wall hasn’t stopped them from barging in the past when they decide they wanted to be raped and it hasn’t stopped them barging in now when they want to transvestigate. Bathrooms aren’t suddenly more dangerous because a kid in estrogen wants to get dressed without getting beat down.

A policy that states “Access to facilities that correspond to a student’s gender identity will be available to all students” means that staff can’t actually do anything to the person barging in as long as they say they are the gender matching the sign. There’s no room for judgment about intentions. You are assuming everyone has good intent and will use the policy in good faith. Clearly, that is not true.

Except in the single example cited, the person was in fact a known sex offender with a history of being creepy. He should never been allowed in any school or any public facility with a locker room.

But if you want to pull your examples showing that no woman was ever raped or assaulted in a single sex bathroom or locker room prior to the current GOP trans panic, I’ll gladly consider them.

Having actually used women’s rooms for the last 40 or so years, I’ve never counted a sign on the wall to protect me. Social norms don’t mean crap when you’re in there by yourself, as every rapist knows. And as every woman knows, you’re more likely to be raped by someone you know, like a trusted adult, a boyfriend or male “friend,” or your youth minister.

just on pure statistics alone, the most dangerous “man in a dress” that a child will ever encounter is a priest. I wish the GOP would react to the epidemic of child abusing ministers like they do innocent trans children.

DP. Keep telling yourself and everyone that only extreme MAGA and GOP don’t think the way you do on this. It will go well for sure.

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Anonymous wrote:Wait? NCAA has tracked back but APS and FCPS haven’t?

“The school division policies allow students of the opposite sex access to sex-separated facilities. They also allow students of the opposite sex to participate in sex-separated sports.“

I guess I’ll start looking at single sex private schools for high school. I thought we realized that very few people want this, and it’s unfair to women.

Please go say this under your real name. Own it if you really think this is right. If you just stay anonymous you must know on some level how hateful your views are.

Please post your name so we can see how hateful you are towards women, and how much you despise young women in particular. Thanks!

I find it very creepy when Republicans (and lesbians) are obsessed with naked young girls in locker rooms. Like when they write about them in great detail in their blog. Must be a fetish or something.

That’s you with the fetish, my gross friend. Nobody wants people like you around kids. That paragraph you just wrote gives you away entirely. Stay away from kids.

I just described what some anti-trans people write in their blogs. Gross, right?

These are not people we want in locker rooms with young girls.

You are disgusting. Stay far away from kids.

Yes, the words are disgusting.

I hope that creepy TERFs stop going to my local pool and then writing about it in great detail on their blog.

^ in fact, I think I'm going to let the pool manager know about this blog and see if we can get her blocked.

What is this referring to?

A local TERF (term she calls herself) writes in great about nudity in the women’s locker room. She writes about her own exhibitionism as well young girls dancing around naked.

Seems super creepy and somewhat predatory to me.

Link or it didn’t happen.

Google TERF Washington Liberty locker room

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Anonymous wrote:Replies in this thread should tell you how this issue is going to go. APS et al. are going to lose in court, badly, because even the courts now understand the insanity of these policies. There's a decent chance the 4th circuit reverses itself just to prevent SCOTUS from making a more sweeping and durable precedent (and to spare themselves the embarrassment). This is an 80/20 issue that even the Gen-z high schoolers are turning against. NOVA is so far out over its skis on this and it's a shame. The admins would rather stick their thumbs in the eye of the administration because it costs them nothing, but losing federal funds is going to hurt a lot more students.

You could have just let a half-dozen kids use the single-shot adult bathrooms/changing areas on an informal basis, and this would have been a total non-issue. But that wasn't enough.

Just like with school re-opening, just like with masking, you people insist on turning school administrators into avatars for your own revenge fantasies against national political figures. It's a pipe dream. You're going to lose, and rather than lose gracefully you're going to lose as ugly as possible, and somehow each time it happens you manage to pick an issue to lose ugly on that's even dumber and less popular. The funds will get cut off, the school year will be disrupted, and students will bear the brunt of it, and you and the school administrations are going to pat themselves on the back, feel good about yourselves, nominate the Superintendent for a few more awards, while claiming you bear none of the blame for the damage that this exceedingly stupid fight caused.

No one seriously thinks the schools are going to win this. You have to deal with reality as you find it, not as you wish it would be.

Say that last sentence again louder for the people in the back. The private sector has already figured this out. The reason so many companies are bending the knee (Apple, Paramount, AMD, etc...) is because it's a simple calculation - pay some millions now to save billions worth of headache later. And banking on all of this dumb-assery passing in 3.5 years. APS would do well to take a lesson here - take the L now, which costs very little (but not nothing! it's still gross what the admin is doing), in order to save a much larger sum being taken away later on.

tl;dr - utilitarianism

Neville Chamberlain would like a word about the dangers of appeasement.

Trans activists are so incredibly nuts. This is an absolutely delusional take. Wild.

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Anonymous wrote:Replies in this thread should tell you how this issue is going to go. APS et al. are going to lose in court, badly, because even the courts now understand the insanity of these policies. There's a decent chance the 4th circuit reverses itself just to prevent SCOTUS from making a more sweeping and durable precedent (and to spare themselves the embarrassment). This is an 80/20 issue that even the Gen-z high schoolers are turning against. NOVA is so far out over its skis on this and it's a shame. The admins would rather stick their thumbs in the eye of the administration because it costs them nothing, but losing federal funds is going to hurt a lot more students.

You could have just let a half-dozen kids use the single-shot adult bathrooms/changing areas on an informal basis, and this would have been a total non-issue. But that wasn't enough.

Just like with school re-opening, just like with masking, you people insist on turning school administrators into avatars for your own revenge fantasies against national political figures. It's a pipe dream. You're going to lose, and rather than lose gracefully you're going to lose as ugly as possible, and somehow each time it happens you manage to pick an issue to lose ugly on that's even dumber and less popular. The funds will get cut off, the school year will be disrupted, and students will bear the brunt of it, and you and the school administrations are going to pat themselves on the back, feel good about yourselves, nominate the Superintendent for a few more awards, while claiming you bear none of the blame for the damage that this exceedingly stupid fight caused.

No one seriously thinks the schools are going to win this. You have to deal with reality as you find it, not as you wish it would be.

Say that last sentence again louder for the people in the back. The private sector has already figured this out. The reason so many companies are bending the knee (Apple, Paramount, AMD, etc...) is because it's a simple calculation - pay some millions now to save billions worth of headache later. And banking on all of this dumb-assery passing in 3.5 years. APS would do well to take a lesson here - take the L now, which costs very little (but not nothing! it's still gross what the admin is doing), in order to save a much larger sum being taken away later on.

tl;dr - utilitarianism

Neville Chamberlain would like a word about the dangers of appeasement.

Perhaps a poorly written policy that already enabled at least one creep to freely access the women’s locker room is not the hill to die on.

And now all adults have to show ID to confirm they are not sex offenders. Good policy, long overdue. Don’t need to attack 12-year old trans kids anymore.

And if the perpetrator is a student…?

Then they would know that already?

But let’s not forget - for pretty much the entirety of human history, girls have faced the greatest risk of sexual assault from - get this - BOYS and MEN claiming to be nothing other than BOYS and/or MEN.

A woman’s sign on the wall hasn’t stopped them from barging in the past when they decide they wanted to be raped and it hasn’t stopped them barging in now when they want to transvestigate. Bathrooms aren’t suddenly more dangerous because a kid in estrogen wants to get dressed without getting beat down.

Yes they are. Research has shown that women and girls are more likely to be assaulted in mixed sex spaces. Furthermore until trans activists came along, women had the ability to expel man in the women’s room because of social norms.

Stop advocating on behalf of sexual predators, you are a naive fool.

Yes, where men are present, women are at greater risk. You haven’t proven that where trans people are present, women are at greater risk. You keep pointing to examples of pervert men as a reason to bully trans children.

How about we actually put some [/b]consequences on the men and boys who rape and assault girls instead of blaming the girls [b]for what they were doing or not doing at the time?

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Anonymous wrote:I doubt any of the anti trans posters have even been in a high school recently. 90% of kids don’t change where I teach anymore, they just wear comfy clothes to school and throw on sneakers. Locker rooms aren’t a huge deal. Certainly no showers or naked displays.

Bathrooms are behind a stall door so again, not sure what anyone thinks they’ll see.

If you’re truly worried about sex offenders in locker rooms and bathrooms, not trans children, let’s brainstorm ways to stop that.

EXACTLY.

That Arlington predator wasn't allowed in either bathroom.

My two APS teens have never changed in an open locker room, either for gym or varsity sports.

The only naked people I've seen in locker rooms in the last decade are older ladies at the pool who are creepy exhibitionists.

It is interesting how the sexism, misogyny, and ageism of trans activists always seeps out. They can’t keep it in, for whatever reason. It is just a core part of who they are, I guess.

I think this is part of the reason a lot of trans rights issues have become approximately 90/10 issues (including Gen Z).

It’s odd how the schools are taking such an unprincipled and unpopular stance. They could compromise (create a safe third space for trans kids, address sports on a case by case basis, etc) but they are so determined to fight for the rights of misogynists that they can’t back down.

I’m a Millennial who has noted for years (well before the current GOP trans panic) that the only people parading around locker rooms nude are old ladies, and when I say parade, I mean parade. As in, awkward changing my 3 year old in there parade. Blow drying the hair, applying the makeup, reorganizing the gym bag, and shooting the breeze completely nude. From what my husband told me, it’s the same in the men’s room.

If it’s ageist and sexist to speak the truth, I’m guilty as charged. Now put some clothes on, there are kids present.

I hope you don’t have daughters. They deserve better than to be taught by someone who actively despises women as deeply as you do. It’s so sad to watch. I’d suggest therapy, but I think your self-loathing goes too deep for that.