The Five school districts with Title IX violations, how much money do they stand to lose?

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Anonymous wrote:Replies in this thread should tell you how this issue is going to go. APS et al. are going to lose in court, badly, because even the courts now understand the insanity of these policies. There's a decent chance the 4th circuit reverses itself just to prevent SCOTUS from making a more sweeping and durable precedent (and to spare themselves the embarrassment). This is an 80/20 issue that even the Gen-z high schoolers are turning against. NOVA is so far out over its skis on this and it's a shame. The admins would rather stick their thumbs in the eye of the administration because it costs them nothing, but losing federal funds is going to hurt a lot more students.

You could have just let a half-dozen kids use the single-shot adult bathrooms/changing areas on an informal basis, and this would have been a total non-issue. But that wasn't enough.

Just like with school re-opening, just like with masking, you people insist on turning school administrators into avatars for your own revenge fantasies against national political figures. It's a pipe dream. You're going to lose, and rather than lose gracefully you're going to lose as ugly as possible, and somehow each time it happens you manage to pick an issue to lose ugly on that's even dumber and less popular. The funds will get cut off, the school year will be disrupted, and students will bear the brunt of it, and you and the school administrations are going to pat themselves on the back, feel good about yourselves, nominate the Superintendent for a few more awards, while claiming you bear none of the blame for the damage that this exceedingly stupid fight caused.

No one seriously thinks the schools are going to win this. You have to deal with reality as you find it, not as you wish it would be.

Say that last sentence again louder for the people in the back. The private sector has already figured this out. The reason so many companies are bending the knee (Apple, Paramount, AMD, etc...) is because it's a simple calculation - pay some millions now to save billions worth of headache later. And banking on all of this dumb-assery passing in 3.5 years. APS would do well to take a lesson here - take the L now, which costs very little (but not nothing! it's still gross what the admin is doing), in order to save a much larger sum being taken away later on.

tl;dr - utilitarianism

Neville Chamberlain would like a word about the dangers of appeasement.

Perhaps a poorly written policy that already enabled at least one creep to freely access the women’s locker room is not the hill to die on.

And now all adults have to show ID to confirm they are not sex offenders. Good policy, long overdue. Don’t need to attack 12-year old trans kids anymore.

And if the perpetrator is a student…?

Then they would know that already?

But let’s not forget - for pretty much the entirety of human history, girls have faced the greatest risk of sexual assault from - get this - BOYS and MEN claiming to be nothing other than BOYS and/or MEN.

A woman’s sign on the wall hasn’t stopped them from barging in the past when they decide they wanted to be raped and it hasn’t stopped them barging in now when they want to transvestigate. Bathrooms aren’t suddenly more dangerous because a kid in estrogen wants to get dressed without getting beat down.

Yes they are. Research has shown that women and girls are more likely to be assaulted in mixed sex spaces. Furthermore until trans activists came along, women had the ability to expel man in the women’s room because of social norms.

Stop advocating on behalf of sexual predators, you are a naive fool.

Yes, where men are present, women are at greater risk. You haven’t proven that where trans people are present, women are at greater risk. You keep pointing to examples of pervert men as a reason to bully trans children.

How about we actually put some consequences on the men and boys who rape and assault girls instead of blaming the girls for what they were doing or not doing at the time?

Yes! Exactly! The problem with the APS policy as proven by the WL pool incident is that there is no mechanism to distinguish between a transperson minding their own business and a man claiming to be a transperson with bad intent. It’s been abused once and it will be abused again.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in an elementary school and have a son so I don’t feel like there’s a huge impact in my life but I can understand that if I had a daughter, I might feel differently. For what it’s worth we have several children who are trans at my school and they’re welcome to use the adult single bathroom if they choose (that has its own issues, but it’s not a big deal, generally none of them take the offer)

What do you think is going to happen to your daughter if there are trans girls using the same bathroom as her? And why is it an issue just for your daughter? There are trans boys, too. Why isn't anyone concerned about biologically female children using the same bathroom as boys? I've NEVER seen that come up as an issue. It's always about trans girls.

Candidly, because trans boys are rarely a threat. There are not female predators pretending to be trans in order to hurt boys. But there are male predators pretending to be trans to hurt girls.

We should also be protecting our young boys from predators. Which is why the focus should be on addressing predators, not transgender people.

Lumping every single transgender people in with a tiny number of predatory belies your bigotry.

Nobody believes that the people fighting to open girls’ safe spaces to any male who claims any gender identity he wants is interested in the protection of children. You can scream and have a tantrum all you want, but the days of that gaslighting working on the majority of the population are over.

If you actually had kids in school you'd know that this really is about the protection of children.

Fortunately, the vast majority of parents in APS are extremely supportive and do want to protect our children. Old, childless TERFs trying to stir up sht are irrelevant.

Please, you don’t care about kids at all. It’s obvious you have almost no contact with actual teens (thank God, for their safety). If you did, you’d know how done Gen Z is with your absolute nonsense. You have to appeal to ageism because you don’t realize how much you have alienated teens. Nearly all of them hate what you’ve done, and they hate the way you champion the destruction of female sports, bathrooms, and safe spaces. They hate how you preference male feelings, they hate how misogynist you are. If you were actually around a lot of teens (again, glad you don’t!), you’d know this.

I’m a different poster but I have four teens and young adults and all of them think the republican paranoia over this is crazy. There may be issues with bathrooms, but where trans kids go to the bathroom is definitely not one of them. They truly do not care.

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Anonymous wrote:I doubt any of the anti trans posters have even been in a high school recently. 90% of kids don’t change where I teach anymore, they just wear comfy clothes to school and throw on sneakers. Locker rooms aren’t a huge deal. Certainly no showers or naked displays.

Bathrooms are behind a stall door so again, not sure what anyone thinks they’ll see.

If you’re truly worried about sex offenders in locker rooms and bathrooms, not trans children, let’s brainstorm ways to stop that.

EXACTLY.

That Arlington predator wasn't allowed in either bathroom.

My two APS teens have never changed in an open locker room, either for gym or varsity sports.

The only naked people I've seen in locker rooms in the last decade are older ladies at the pool who are creepy exhibitionists.

It is interesting how the sexism, misogyny, and ageism of trans activists always seeps out. They can’t keep it in, for whatever reason. It is just a core part of who they are, I guess.

I think this is part of the reason a lot of trans rights issues have become approximately 90/10 issues (including Gen Z).

It’s odd how the schools are taking such an unprincipled and unpopular stance. They could compromise (create a safe third space for trans kids, address sports on a case by case basis, etc) but they are so determined to fight for the rights of misogynists that they can’t back down.

I’m a Millennial who has noted for years (well before the current GOP trans panic) that the only people parading around locker rooms nude are old ladies, and when I say parade, I mean parade. As in, awkward changing my 3 year old in there parade. Blow drying the hair, applying the makeup, reorganizing the gym bag, and shooting the breeze completely nude. From what my husband told me, it’s the same in the men’s room.

If it’s ageist and sexist to speak the truth, I’m guilty as charged. Now put some clothes on, there are kids present.

I hope you don’t have daughters. They deserve better than to be taught by someone who actively despises women as deeply as you do. It’s so sad to watch. I’d suggest therapy, but I think your self-loathing goes too deep for that.

There is nothing misogynistic about not wanting pervy old women strutting around the locker room buck naked because they have some kind of exhibitionism fetish.

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Anonymous wrote:Replies in this thread should tell you how this issue is going to go. APS et al. are going to lose in court, badly, because even the courts now understand the insanity of these policies. There's a decent chance the 4th circuit reverses itself just to prevent SCOTUS from making a more sweeping and durable precedent (and to spare themselves the embarrassment). This is an 80/20 issue that even the Gen-z high schoolers are turning against. NOVA is so far out over its skis on this and it's a shame. The admins would rather stick their thumbs in the eye of the administration because it costs them nothing, but losing federal funds is going to hurt a lot more students.

You could have just let a half-dozen kids use the single-shot adult bathrooms/changing areas on an informal basis, and this would have been a total non-issue. But that wasn't enough.

Just like with school re-opening, just like with masking, you people insist on turning school administrators into avatars for your own revenge fantasies against national political figures. It's a pipe dream. You're going to lose, and rather than lose gracefully you're going to lose as ugly as possible, and somehow each time it happens you manage to pick an issue to lose ugly on that's even dumber and less popular. The funds will get cut off, the school year will be disrupted, and students will bear the brunt of it, and you and the school administrations are going to pat themselves on the back, feel good about yourselves, nominate the Superintendent for a few more awards, while claiming you bear none of the blame for the damage that this exceedingly stupid fight caused.

No one seriously thinks the schools are going to win this. You have to deal with reality as you find it, not as you wish it would be.

Say that last sentence again louder for the people in the back. The private sector has already figured this out. The reason so many companies are bending the knee (Apple, Paramount, AMD, etc...) is because it's a simple calculation - pay some millions now to save billions worth of headache later. And banking on all of this dumb-assery passing in 3.5 years. APS would do well to take a lesson here - take the L now, which costs very little (but not nothing! it's still gross what the admin is doing), in order to save a much larger sum being taken away later on.

tl;dr - utilitarianism

Neville Chamberlain would like a word about the dangers of appeasement.

Perhaps a poorly written policy that already enabled at least one creep to freely access the women’s locker room is not the hill to die on.

And now all adults have to show ID to confirm they are not sex offenders. Good policy, long overdue. Don’t need to attack 12-year old trans kids anymore.

And if the perpetrator is a student…?

Then they would know that already?

But let’s not forget - for pretty much the entirety of human history, girls have faced the greatest risk of sexual assault from - get this - BOYS and MEN claiming to be nothing other than BOYS and/or MEN.

A woman’s sign on the wall hasn’t stopped them from barging in the past when they decide they wanted to be raped and it hasn’t stopped them barging in now when they want to transvestigate. Bathrooms aren’t suddenly more dangerous because a kid in estrogen wants to get dressed without getting beat down.

Yes they are. Research has shown that women and girls are more likely to be assaulted in mixed sex spaces. Furthermore until trans activists came along, women had the ability to expel man in the women’s room because of social norms.

Stop advocating on behalf of sexual predators, you are a naive fool.

Yes, where men are present, women are at greater risk. You haven’t proven that where trans people are present, women are at greater risk. You keep pointing to examples of pervert men as a reason to bully trans children.

How about we actually put some consequences on the men and boys who rape and assault girls instead of blaming the girls for what they were doing or not doing at the time?

Yes! Exactly! The problem with the APS policy as proven by the WL pool incident is that there is no mechanism to distinguish between a transperson minding their own business and a man claiming to be a transperson with bad intent. It’s been abused once and it will be abused again.

Any one of any gender demonstrating exhibitionist behavior in front of children should be asked to leave the locker room.

And fortunately they are checking ID now to keep out registered sex offenders.

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Anonymous wrote:Replies in this thread should tell you how this issue is going to go. APS et al. are going to lose in court, badly, because even the courts now understand the insanity of these policies. There's a decent chance the 4th circuit reverses itself just to prevent SCOTUS from making a more sweeping and durable precedent (and to spare themselves the embarrassment). This is an 80/20 issue that even the Gen-z high schoolers are turning against. NOVA is so far out over its skis on this and it's a shame. The admins would rather stick their thumbs in the eye of the administration because it costs them nothing, but losing federal funds is going to hurt a lot more students.

You could have just let a half-dozen kids use the single-shot adult bathrooms/changing areas on an informal basis, and this would have been a total non-issue. But that wasn't enough.

Just like with school re-opening, just like with masking, you people insist on turning school administrators into avatars for your own revenge fantasies against national political figures. It's a pipe dream. You're going to lose, and rather than lose gracefully you're going to lose as ugly as possible, and somehow each time it happens you manage to pick an issue to lose ugly on that's even dumber and less popular. The funds will get cut off, the school year will be disrupted, and students will bear the brunt of it, and you and the school administrations are going to pat themselves on the back, feel good about yourselves, nominate the Superintendent for a few more awards, while claiming you bear none of the blame for the damage that this exceedingly stupid fight caused.

No one seriously thinks the schools are going to win this. You have to deal with reality as you find it, not as you wish it would be.

Say that last sentence again louder for the people in the back. The private sector has already figured this out. The reason so many companies are bending the knee (Apple, Paramount, AMD, etc...) is because it's a simple calculation - pay some millions now to save billions worth of headache later. And banking on all of this dumb-assery passing in 3.5 years. APS would do well to take a lesson here - take the L now, which costs very little (but not nothing! it's still gross what the admin is doing), in order to save a much larger sum being taken away later on.

tl;dr - utilitarianism

Neville Chamberlain would like a word about the dangers of appeasement.

Perhaps a poorly written policy that already enabled at least one creep to freely access the women’s locker room is not the hill to die on.

And now all adults have to show ID to confirm they are not sex offenders. Good policy, long overdue. Don’t need to attack 12-year old trans kids anymore.

And if the perpetrator is a student…?

Then they would know that already?

But let’s not forget - for pretty much the entirety of human history, girls have faced the greatest risk of sexual assault from - get this - BOYS and MEN claiming to be nothing other than BOYS and/or MEN.

A woman’s sign on the wall hasn’t stopped them from barging in the past when they decide they wanted to be raped and it hasn’t stopped them barging in now when they want to transvestigate. Bathrooms aren’t suddenly more dangerous because a kid in estrogen wants to get dressed without getting beat down.

Yes they are. Research has shown that women and girls are more likely to be assaulted in mixed sex spaces. Furthermore until trans activists came along, women had the ability to expel man in the women’s room because of social norms.

Stop advocating on behalf of sexual predators, you are a naive fool.

Yes, where men are present, women are at greater risk. You haven’t proven that where trans people are present, women are at greater risk. You keep pointing to examples of pervert men as a reason to bully trans children.

How about we actually put some consequences on the men and boys who rape and assault girls instead of blaming the girls for what they were doing or not doing at the time?

Yes! Exactly! The problem with the APS policy as proven by the WL pool incident is that there is no mechanism to distinguish between a transperson minding their own business and a man claiming to be a transperson with bad intent. It’s been abused once and it will be abused again.

Any one of any gender demonstrating exhibitionist behavior in front of children should be asked to leave the locker room.

And fortunately they are checking ID now to keep out registered sex offenders.

Now you have to clearly define and police exhibitionist behavior vs being nude in an area specifically designed for changing clothes. You’re better off just closing the locker rooms entirely at that point.

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Anonymous wrote:Replies in this thread should tell you how this issue is going to go. APS et al. are going to lose in court, badly, because even the courts now understand the insanity of these policies. There's a decent chance the 4th circuit reverses itself just to prevent SCOTUS from making a more sweeping and durable precedent (and to spare themselves the embarrassment). This is an 80/20 issue that even the Gen-z high schoolers are turning against. NOVA is so far out over its skis on this and it's a shame. The admins would rather stick their thumbs in the eye of the administration because it costs them nothing, but losing federal funds is going to hurt a lot more students.

You could have just let a half-dozen kids use the single-shot adult bathrooms/changing areas on an informal basis, and this would have been a total non-issue. But that wasn't enough.

Just like with school re-opening, just like with masking, you people insist on turning school administrators into avatars for your own revenge fantasies against national political figures. It's a pipe dream. You're going to lose, and rather than lose gracefully you're going to lose as ugly as possible, and somehow each time it happens you manage to pick an issue to lose ugly on that's even dumber and less popular. The funds will get cut off, the school year will be disrupted, and students will bear the brunt of it, and you and the school administrations are going to pat themselves on the back, feel good about yourselves, nominate the Superintendent for a few more awards, while claiming you bear none of the blame for the damage that this exceedingly stupid fight caused.

No one seriously thinks the schools are going to win this. You have to deal with reality as you find it, not as you wish it would be.

Say that last sentence again louder for the people in the back. The private sector has already figured this out. The reason so many companies are bending the knee (Apple, Paramount, AMD, etc...) is because it's a simple calculation - pay some millions now to save billions worth of headache later. And banking on all of this dumb-assery passing in 3.5 years. APS would do well to take a lesson here - take the L now, which costs very little (but not nothing! it's still gross what the admin is doing), in order to save a much larger sum being taken away later on.

tl;dr - utilitarianism

Neville Chamberlain would like a word about the dangers of appeasement.

Perhaps a poorly written policy that already enabled at least one creep to freely access the women’s locker room is not the hill to die on.

And now all adults have to show ID to confirm they are not sex offenders. Good policy, long overdue. Don’t need to attack 12-year old trans kids anymore.

And if the perpetrator is a student…?

Then they would know that already?

But let’s not forget - for pretty much the entirety of human history, girls have faced the greatest risk of sexual assault from - get this - BOYS and MEN claiming to be nothing other than BOYS and/or MEN.

A woman’s sign on the wall hasn’t stopped them from barging in the past when they decide they wanted to be raped and it hasn’t stopped them barging in now when they want to transvestigate. Bathrooms aren’t suddenly more dangerous because a kid in estrogen wants to get dressed without getting beat down.

Yes they are. Research has shown that women and girls are more likely to be assaulted in mixed sex spaces. Furthermore until trans activists came along, women had the ability to expel man in the women’s room because of social norms.

Stop advocating on behalf of sexual predators, you are a naive fool.

Yes, where men are present, women are at greater risk. You haven’t proven that where trans people are present, women are at greater risk. You keep pointing to examples of pervert men as a reason to bully trans children.

How about we actually put some consequences on the men and boys who rape and assault girls instead of blaming the girls for what they were doing or not doing at the time?

Yes! Exactly! The problem with the APS policy as proven by the WL pool incident is that there is no mechanism to distinguish between a transperson minding their own business and a man claiming to be a transperson with bad intent. It’s been abused once and it will be abused again.

This is the problem

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Anonymous wrote:I doubt any of the anti trans posters have even been in a high school recently. 90% of kids don’t change where I teach anymore, they just wear comfy clothes to school and throw on sneakers. Locker rooms aren’t a huge deal. Certainly no showers or naked displays.

Bathrooms are behind a stall door so again, not sure what anyone thinks they’ll see.

If you’re truly worried about sex offenders in locker rooms and bathrooms, not trans children, let’s brainstorm ways to stop that.

EXACTLY.

That Arlington predator wasn't allowed in either bathroom.

My two APS teens have never changed in an open locker room, either for gym or varsity sports.

The only naked people I've seen in locker rooms in the last decade are older ladies at the pool who are creepy exhibitionists.

It is interesting how the sexism, misogyny, and ageism of trans activists always seeps out. They can’t keep it in, for whatever reason. It is just a core part of who they are, I guess.

I think this is part of the reason a lot of trans rights issues have become approximately 90/10 issues (including Gen Z).

It’s odd how the schools are taking such an unprincipled and unpopular stance. They could compromise (create a safe third space for trans kids, address sports on a case by case basis, etc) but they are so determined to fight for the rights of misogynists that they can’t back down.

I’m a Millennial who has noted for years (well before the current GOP trans panic) that the only people parading around locker rooms nude are old ladies, and when I say parade, I mean parade. As in, awkward changing my 3 year old in there parade. Blow drying the hair, applying the makeup, reorganizing the gym bag, and shooting the breeze completely nude. From what my husband told me, it’s the same in the men’s room.

If it’s ageist and sexist to speak the truth, I’m guilty as charged. Now put some clothes on, there are kids present.

I hope you don’t have daughters. They deserve better than to be taught by someone who actively despises women as deeply as you do. It’s so sad to watch. I’d suggest therapy, but I think your self-loathing goes too deep for that.

Are you one of those ladies who walks around naked for 30-45 minutes after your water aerobics class? The locker room at your local public high school is not your house, and it’s not a swingers club. Towel off and put on some underwear FFS.

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As an LCPS parent, I don't actually care about the current bathroom policy as it relates to trans children. Trans children using the bathroom of their choice is not the problem.

What enrages me is that there is much bigger ACTUAL bathroom issue that people are ignoring, and that is the LOCKED bathrooms. Supposedly because of "vaping" bathrooms are locked throughout the day and are rarely available for student use. Students never know which bathroom will be unlocked, by design, and therefore must wander around looking for an unlocked bathroom only to be yelled at by staff for "roaming the halls."

This is an ACTUAL problem.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in an elementary school and have a son so I don’t feel like there’s a huge impact in my life but I can understand that if I had a daughter, I might feel differently. For what it’s worth we have several children who are trans at my school and they’re welcome to use the adult single bathroom if they choose (that has its own issues, but it’s not a big deal, generally none of them take the offer)

What do you think is going to happen to your daughter if there are trans girls using the same bathroom as her? And why is it an issue just for your daughter? There are trans boys, too. Why isn't anyone concerned about biologically female children using the same bathroom as boys? I've NEVER seen that come up as an issue. It's always about trans girls.

Candidly, because trans boys are rarely a threat. There are not female predators pretending to be trans in order to hurt boys. But there are male predators pretending to be trans to hurt girls.

We should also be protecting our young boys from predators. Which is why the focus should be on addressing predators, not transgender people.

Lumping every single transgender people in with a tiny number of predatory belies your bigotry.

Nobody believes that the people fighting to open girls’ safe spaces to any male who claims any gender identity he wants is interested in the protection of children. You can scream and have a tantrum all you want, but the days of that gaslighting working on the majority of the population are over.

If you actually had kids in school you'd know that this really is about the protection of children.

Fortunately, the vast majority of parents in APS are extremely supportive and do want to protect our children. Old, childless TERFs trying to stir up sht are irrelevant.

Please, you don’t care about kids at all. It’s obvious you have almost no contact with actual teens (thank God, for their safety). If you did, you’d know how done Gen Z is with your absolute nonsense. You have to appeal to ageism because you don’t realize how much you have alienated teens. Nearly all of them hate what you’ve done, and they hate the way you champion the destruction of female sports, bathrooms, and safe spaces. They hate how you preference male feelings, they hate how misogynist you are. If you were actually around a lot of teens (again, glad you don’t!), you’d know this.

I’m a different poster but I have four teens and young adults and all of them think the republican paranoia over this is crazy. There may be issues with bathrooms, but where trans kids go to the bathroom is definitely not one of them. They truly do not care.

Exactly. My kids are very concerned for the health and safety of their LGBTQ friends in this current hostile environment. Not bathrooms or locker rooms.

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Anonymous wrote:As an LCPS parent, I don't actually care about the current bathroom policy as it relates to trans children. Trans children using the bathroom of their choice is not the problem.

What enrages me is that there is much bigger ACTUAL bathroom issue that people are ignoring, and that is the LOCKED bathrooms. Supposedly because of "vaping" bathrooms are locked throughout the day and are rarely available for student use. Students never know which bathroom will be unlocked, by design, and therefore must wander around looking for an unlocked bathroom only to be yelled at by staff for "roaming the halls."

This is an ACTUAL problem.

+100. Both of my high school kids - and all of their friends - are FAR more stressed out about vaping in the bathrooms and the locked bathrooms. None of them could care one bit if a transperson comes in to use the restroom.

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Anonymous wrote:Replies in this thread should tell you how this issue is going to go. APS et al. are going to lose in court, badly, because even the courts now understand the insanity of these policies. There's a decent chance the 4th circuit reverses itself just to prevent SCOTUS from making a more sweeping and durable precedent (and to spare themselves the embarrassment). This is an 80/20 issue that even the Gen-z high schoolers are turning against. NOVA is so far out over its skis on this and it's a shame. The admins would rather stick their thumbs in the eye of the administration because it costs them nothing, but losing federal funds is going to hurt a lot more students.

You could have just let a half-dozen kids use the single-shot adult bathrooms/changing areas on an informal basis, and this would have been a total non-issue. But that wasn't enough.

Just like with school re-opening, just like with masking, you people insist on turning school administrators into avatars for your own revenge fantasies against national political figures. It's a pipe dream. You're going to lose, and rather than lose gracefully you're going to lose as ugly as possible, and somehow each time it happens you manage to pick an issue to lose ugly on that's even dumber and less popular. The funds will get cut off, the school year will be disrupted, and students will bear the brunt of it, and you and the school administrations are going to pat themselves on the back, feel good about yourselves, nominate the Superintendent for a few more awards, while claiming you bear none of the blame for the damage that this exceedingly stupid fight caused.

No one seriously thinks the schools are going to win this. You have to deal with reality as you find it, not as you wish it would be.

Say that last sentence again louder for the people in the back. The private sector has already figured this out. The reason so many companies are bending the knee (Apple, Paramount, AMD, etc...) is because it's a simple calculation - pay some millions now to save billions worth of headache later. And banking on all of this dumb-assery passing in 3.5 years. APS would do well to take a lesson here - take the L now, which costs very little (but not nothing! it's still gross what the admin is doing), in order to save a much larger sum being taken away later on.

tl;dr - utilitarianism

Neville Chamberlain would like a word about the dangers of appeasement.

Perhaps a poorly written policy that already enabled at least one creep to freely access the women’s locker room is not the hill to die on.

And now all adults have to show ID to confirm they are not sex offenders. Good policy, long overdue. Don’t need to attack 12-year old trans kids anymore.

And if the perpetrator is a student…?

Then they would know that already?

But let’s not forget - for pretty much the entirety of human history, girls have faced the greatest risk of sexual assault from - get this - BOYS and MEN claiming to be nothing other than BOYS and/or MEN.

A woman’s sign on the wall hasn’t stopped them from barging in the past when they decide they wanted to be raped and it hasn’t stopped them barging in now when they want to transvestigate. Bathrooms aren’t suddenly more dangerous because a kid in estrogen wants to get dressed without getting beat down.

Yes they are. Research has shown that women and girls are more likely to be assaulted in mixed sex spaces. Furthermore until trans activists came along, women had the ability to expel man in the women’s room because of social norms.

Stop advocating on behalf of sexual predators, you are a naive fool.

Yes, where men are present, women are at greater risk. You haven’t proven that where trans people are present, women are at greater risk. You keep pointing to examples of pervert men as a reason to bully trans children.

How about we actually put some consequences on the men and boys who rape and assault girls instead of blaming the girls for what they were doing or not doing at the time?

Yes! Exactly! The problem with the APS policy as proven by the WL pool incident is that there is no mechanism to distinguish between a transperson minding their own business and a man claiming to be a transperson with bad intent. It’s been abused once and it will be abused again.

Any one of any gender demonstrating exhibitionist behavior in front of children should be asked to leave the locker room.

And fortunately they are checking ID now to keep out registered sex offenders.

Now you have to clearly define and police exhibitionist behavior vs being nude in an area specifically designed for changing clothes. You’re better off just closing the locker rooms entirely at that point.

Normal: being naked briefly while you towel off and put your clothes on

Exhibitionist: being naked more than that, walking around buck naked

Pervy: observing young children dancing around naked in the locker room and then passionately writing about it in your blog

[Anonymous]

I don’t think that trans women who went through puberty as a male should be allowed to play in women’s sports. If you think they should, then you need to be honest about wanting to eliminate all gendered sports and then most bio women will be behind in just about everything. I’m not okay with that. I think if your genitals don’t match your alignment you should probably change behind a closed stall/in the family changing room to prevent problems. I was also taught to keep my eyes to myself and not stare at anyone’s bits in a changing room. I don’t care who’s in the women’s bathroom to do their business because we have doors. I think my positions on this are pretty mainstream.

I also cannot believe how much time certain groups spend thinking about what is inside someone else’s pants when it doesn’t concern you one bit. And I’ve also never met a man who felt it was necessary to dress up as a woman or declare themselves female to act like a lecherous creep or assault someone. That one I have encountered many many times. Women are harassed or worse all the time and I don’t see the same energy being put by politicians into that because “boys will be boys” with their “locker room talk”.

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Anonymous wrote:I doubt any of the anti trans posters have even been in a high school recently. 90% of kids don’t change where I teach anymore, they just wear comfy clothes to school and throw on sneakers. Locker rooms aren’t a huge deal. Certainly no showers or naked displays.

Bathrooms are behind a stall door so again, not sure what anyone thinks they’ll see.

If you’re truly worried about sex offenders in locker rooms and bathrooms, not trans children, let’s brainstorm ways to stop that.

EXACTLY.

That Arlington predator wasn't allowed in either bathroom.

My two APS teens have never changed in an open locker room, either for gym or varsity sports.

The only naked people I've seen in locker rooms in the last decade are older ladies at the pool who are creepy exhibitionists.

It is interesting how the sexism, misogyny, and ageism of trans activists always seeps out. They can’t keep it in, for whatever reason. It is just a core part of who they are, I guess.

I think this is part of the reason a lot of trans rights issues have become approximately 90/10 issues (including Gen Z).

It’s odd how the schools are taking such an unprincipled and unpopular stance. They could compromise (create a safe third space for trans kids, address sports on a case by case basis, etc) but they are so determined to fight for the rights of misogynists that they can’t back down.

I’m a Millennial who has noted for years (well before the current GOP trans panic) that the only people parading around locker rooms nude are old ladies, and when I say parade, I mean parade. As in, awkward changing my 3 year old in there parade. Blow drying the hair, applying the makeup, reorganizing the gym bag, and shooting the breeze completely nude. From what my husband told me, it’s the same in the men’s room.

If it’s ageist and sexist to speak the truth, I’m guilty as charged. Now put some clothes on, there are kids present.

I hope you don’t have daughters. They deserve better than to be taught by someone who actively despises women as deeply as you do. It’s so sad to watch. I’d suggest therapy, but I think your self-loathing goes too deep for that.

There is nothing misogynistic about not wanting pervy old women strutting around the locker room buck naked because they have some kind of exhibitionism fetish.

Wow. You are profoundly messed up.

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Anonymous wrote:I doubt any of the anti trans posters have even been in a high school recently. 90% of kids don’t change where I teach anymore, they just wear comfy clothes to school and throw on sneakers. Locker rooms aren’t a huge deal. Certainly no showers or naked displays.

Bathrooms are behind a stall door so again, not sure what anyone thinks they’ll see.

If you’re truly worried about sex offenders in locker rooms and bathrooms, not trans children, let’s brainstorm ways to stop that.

EXACTLY.

That Arlington predator wasn't allowed in either bathroom.

My two APS teens have never changed in an open locker room, either for gym or varsity sports.

The only naked people I've seen in locker rooms in the last decade are older ladies at the pool who are creepy exhibitionists.

It is interesting how the sexism, misogyny, and ageism of trans activists always seeps out. They can’t keep it in, for whatever reason. It is just a core part of who they are, I guess.

I think this is part of the reason a lot of trans rights issues have become approximately 90/10 issues (including Gen Z).

It’s odd how the schools are taking such an unprincipled and unpopular stance. They could compromise (create a safe third space for trans kids, address sports on a case by case basis, etc) but they are so determined to fight for the rights of misogynists that they can’t back down.

I’m a Millennial who has noted for years (well before the current GOP trans panic) that the only people parading around locker rooms nude are old ladies, and when I say parade, I mean parade. As in, awkward changing my 3 year old in there parade. Blow drying the hair, applying the makeup, reorganizing the gym bag, and shooting the breeze completely nude. From what my husband told me, it’s the same in the men’s room.

If it’s ageist and sexist to speak the truth, I’m guilty as charged. Now put some clothes on, there are kids present.

I hope you don’t have daughters. They deserve better than to be taught by someone who actively despises women as deeply as you do. It’s so sad to watch. I’d suggest therapy, but I think your self-loathing goes too deep for that.

Are you one of those ladies who walks around naked for 30-45 minutes after your water aerobics class? The locker room at your local public high school is not your house, and it’s not a swingers club. Towel off and put on some underwear FFS.

I don’t get naked in locker rooms at all and I agree your posts betray a deep and disturbing misogyny and self-loathing. It’s sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As an LCPS parent, I don't actually care about the current bathroom policy as it relates to trans children. Trans children using the bathroom of their choice is not the problem.

What enrages me is that there is much bigger ACTUAL bathroom issue that people are ignoring, and that is the LOCKED bathrooms. Supposedly because of "vaping" bathrooms are locked throughout the day and are rarely available for student use. Students never know which bathroom will be unlocked, by design, and therefore must wander around looking for an unlocked bathroom only to be yelled at by staff for "roaming the halls."

This is an ACTUAL problem.

YES, this.
-ACPS parent