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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]These people are living in a bubble.  They only consume information that supports their beliefs.  No facts can sway them.  Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large.  In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.[/quote]

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on [/quote]

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.[/quote]

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys. [/quote]

Maybe these men wouldn’t have needed up in this situation if they had gotten a damn education or been willing to relocate for a job. Instead they were the types who goofed off in high school and made fun of people who studied hard. No one owes you a well paying job in the small town you grew up in. Smart people know you get an education and move to where the opportunity is. It’s the ultimate entitlement to think someone should bring opportunities to you. Times change and you adapt or get left behind. Screw them. [/quote]

This!!!
It is the height of privilege to be whining about the loss of manufacturing jobs for half a century. Hollywood spent a lot of time dwelling on the costs of the decline of steel and factory jobs in the 80s. The country mourned with Hollywood and moved on. Time for these young men to focus on being serious and responsible. [/quote]

This attitude is exactly why we have huge populations of angry and disaffected people. Increases in overdoses and deaths of despair. Senseless violence. Criminality. Just a general breakdown of the social contract.

We have to stop with the rugged individualism. We need to remember what it is to be a community and to take care of each other. Our response to folks telling us they are struggling cannot be "screw you." That's literally how we got Trump.

Everyone is struggling. Most people want to do their best. But hurt people hurt people. People with no hope do not make good long term decisions. People whose needs aren't met begin to hate anyone they see as competition for resources.

This is why MAGA works. If we stop looking down on these people with derision, listen to their struggles and address them, they'd be far less angry and fearful. You can't just say "screw you" to entire populations of people and expect it not to eventually affect everyone. [/quote]

People who are economically disaffected belong in the Democratic Party. That is the party that actually cares about people who have been sidelined.

Democrats are for the people, and Republicans are for big business. 
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No. Democrats SAY they are for the people. At the end of the day, they are just as in bed with moneyed interests as Republicans. They serve as a pressure release for opposition to the wealthy class, paying lipservice and doing symbolic acts. But when is the last time anything Democrats did that actually helped you or anyone you know? And if you say the freaking ACA, I'll remind you that that legislation is 15 years old now and a shell of the original vision. They've campaigning on a $15 minimum wage most of my life, yet it never materializes and is a goal a decade out of date. [/quote]

Uh, Infrastructure Act which provides jobs and makes it so people can get to work easier, so our ports work more efficiently etc, CHIPS Act which brings manufacturing jobs back to the US, drug price reduction, support of unions and collective bargaining, clean air and clean water, etc. Plenty the Democrats have concretely done for every American but specifically working class Americans.[/quote]

Were you or anyone you actually know impacted by the CHIPS act? Or the infrastructure bill? They literally undercut the rail workers and their strike. Showing up to a picket line is mere theatrics when you also used the office to bar workers from using their right to strike.

My point is that, yes Democrats claim many legislative victories, but who the hell actually benefits? Not me. Not anyone I know. I'd wager, not you or anyone you know. Odd isn't it? It's theater. And the sooner folks like you get your head out of your ass and see it, the sooner we can begin applying the pressure necessary to get them to ACTUALLY do something that would help real people, and not just talk a big game.

We know Republicans don't help anyone. But Democrats don't either. They play pretend. They wear Kente cloth and take a knee while giving police forces even more money. They show up for photo ops at picket lines and protests, then turn around and hand Republicans the power to cut social security. They vote to approve appointees who are entirely unqualified and who have made their intend to destroy the very agencies they head quite plain. They rail against billionaires meddling in government the turn around and have private meetings and fundraisers with them.

This has to stop. Take off your team jersey and really LOOK at what is happening. MAGA is absolutely a cult, but they aren't the only ones falling victim to propaganda. [/quote]

There is no evidence that the CHIPS Act or Infrastructure bill "undercut rail workers" - let alone "literally" so.[/quote]

I'm talking about how Biden and the Democrats stopped the strike, genius. The government should really have no right to stop workers from exercising their right to withhold labor. The democrats can't do stuff like that, then try to also claim to be the party of working people.

Just like Republicans can't platform pedos and rapists and claim to be the party of conservative values.

But here we are. Neither party stands for anything anymore, besides money for themselves and the owner class. [/quote]

I recall Biden calling on Congress to make a deal with the union.   Republicans on the other hand are trying to completely bust and destroy unions.  They declared union collective bargaining agreements null and void in several federal agencies if you haven't been paying attention.

For all your complaining about Democrats not doing enough to help workers and unions, Republicans are absolutely and completely and undeniably worse where it comes to their treatment of workers and unions.  I'll take "didn't do as much as I'd like" over "destroyed outright" any day of the week.[/quote]

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