UMich is out

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:High stats son (4.0 UW, 1580 SAT, 63 college credits with Associate's, STEM magnet, ranked 1st in class) with good ECs (state champion athlete, musician who has played professionally) deferred from engineering. Disappointing as it's deferral 2/2.

Similar stats DC deferred from LSA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Michigan alum with DC about to graduate from Michigan in May, and want to add my two cents:

1. Legacy is not considered as a factor in acceptances, but the legacy does help provide content to answer the "why Michigan" essay, and it does help with LOCI (see below).

2. Most of the EA acceptances are Michiganders. There are some OOS, but they defer/postpone most OOS to RA.

3. That said, Michigan used to have a round of acceptances between EA and RD that was mostly OOS. This happened to my DC, who was deferred to RA in January, but admitted in this round after submitting the LOCI (in which the motto, fight song, alma mater (not the same!) and Go Blue! were quoted). I think this was discontinued after my DC.

4. There is very little FA for OOS.

5. Many of the OOS students at Michigan are Jewish or Asian. This is the legacy of Michigan taking such students when the Ivies refuse(d) to take in more of them, despite being qualified to attend. These families tend to send their kids to the same feeder schools in NY, Chicago, etc. The Jewish families are very loyal to Michigan with their students and donations (Tisch, Ross), and now the Asians are starting to do the same (Mrs. Larry Ellison, a Chinese-American alumna, donated $ 10 million in NIL to get our next starting quarterback!).

That said, this entire process is a YMMV situation.

DC #1 had 1480 SAT, 11 APs, 3.9 GPA UW in FCPS HS and average ECs and was accepted by Michigan in RD but rejected by UVA.

Three years later, DC #2 had 1500 SAT, 12 APs, 3.9 GPA UW in same FCPS HS and average ECs and was accepted by UVA in EA but rejected by Michigan (deferred, then WL).

Glad we're done with this.

Total conjecture on your part.

And unless there is an "ethnicity and religion by state" breakdown on Michigan's website, you don't have a clue on the ethnic or religious breakdown of OOS students.

I'll conceed that it's not a stretch to list the 2 most overrepresented blocks attending top colleges.

I love the part about the Ivies "refusing" to take them. They have way more admits than spots. 8f course tons of all kinds will be rejected, but if certain groups encourage more apps, then they will also have more rejections.

I think PP was not referring to the present time, but to a time when previous generations (who are now donors) would have attended Michigan in part because certain Ivies were believed to have quotas for certain groups, thus making it much harder for members of those groups to be accepted. At least how that’s how I interpreted it.

[Anonymous]

Minuses matter, and a LOT of kids are applying to Mich with the same activities and 1540s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Minuses matter, and a LOT of kids are applying to Mich with the same activities and 1540s

Minuses don't matter at Michigan--they recalculate GPA and drop pluses and minuses.

[Anonymous]

Engineering and CS super tough OOS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Michigan alum with DC about to graduate from Michigan in May, and want to add my two cents:

1. Legacy is not considered as a factor in acceptances, but the legacy does help provide content to answer the "why Michigan" essay, and it does help with LOCI (see below).

2. Most of the EA acceptances are Michiganders. There are some OOS, but they defer/postpone most OOS to RA.

3. That said, Michigan used to have a round of acceptances between EA and RD that was mostly OOS. This happened to my DC, who was deferred to RA in January, but admitted in this round after submitting the LOCI (in which the motto, fight song, alma mater (not the same!) and Go Blue! were quoted). I think this was discontinued after my DC.

4. There is very little FA for OOS.

5. Many of the OOS students at Michigan are Jewish or Asian. This is the legacy of Michigan taking such students when the Ivies refuse(d) to take in more of them, despite being qualified to attend. These families tend to send their kids to the same feeder schools in NY, Chicago, etc. The Jewish families are very loyal to Michigan with their students and donations (Tisch, Ross), and now the Asians are starting to do the same (Mrs. Larry Ellison, a Chinese-American alumna, donated $ 10 million in NIL to get our next starting quarterback!).

That said, this entire process is a YMMV situation.

DC #1 had 1480 SAT, 11 APs, 3.9 GPA UW in FCPS HS and average ECs and was accepted by Michigan in RD but rejected by UVA.

Three years later, DC #2 had 1500 SAT, 12 APs, 3.9 GPA UW in same FCPS HS and average ECs and was accepted by UVA in EA but rejected by Michigan (deferred, then WL).

Glad we're done with this.

Total conjecture on your part.

And unless there is an "ethnicity and religion by state" breakdown on Michigan's website, you don't have a clue on the ethnic or religious breakdown of OOS students.

I'll conceed that it's not a stretch to list the 2 most overrepresented blocks attending top colleges.

I love the part about the Ivies "refusing" to take them. They have way more admits than spots. 8f course tons of all kinds will be rejected, but if certain groups encourage more apps, then they will also have more rejections.

I think PP was not referring to the present time, but to a time when previous generations (who are now donors) would have attended Michigan in part because certain Ivies were believed to have quotas for certain groups, thus making it much harder for members of those groups to be accepted. At least how that’s how I interpreted it.

This. Harvard actively discriminated against Jews, most notably when its President, Lowell, put a quota systen in 1922. Harvard continued in this vein through the 50s. So many Jews, shut out of Ivies, went to Michigan. The students the PP refers to are legacies from those ancestors.

[Anonymous]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/09/14/before-asian-americans-sued-harvard-the-school-tried-restricting-the-number-of-jews/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/28/how-the-sat-came-to-rule-college-admissions/

Yes, Michigan was welcoming at a time when others were antisemitic. The gratitude was passed down through the generations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Michigan alum with DC about to graduate from Michigan in May, and want to add my two cents:

1. Legacy is not considered as a factor in acceptances, but the legacy does help provide content to answer the "why Michigan" essay, and it does help with LOCI (see below).

2. Most of the EA acceptances are Michiganders. There are some OOS, but they defer/postpone most OOS to RA.

3. That said, Michigan used to have a round of acceptances between EA and RD that was mostly OOS. This happened to my DC, who was deferred to RA in January, but admitted in this round after submitting the LOCI (in which the motto, fight song, alma mater (not the same!) and Go Blue! were quoted). I think this was discontinued after my DC.

4. There is very little FA for OOS.

5. Many of the OOS students at Michigan are Jewish or Asian. This is the legacy of Michigan taking such students when the Ivies refuse(d) to take in more of them, despite being qualified to attend. These families tend to send their kids to the same feeder schools in NY, Chicago, etc. The Jewish families are very loyal to Michigan with their students and donations (Tisch, Ross), and now the Asians are starting to do the same (Mrs. Larry Ellison, a Chinese-American alumna, donated $ 10 million in NIL to get our next starting quarterback!).

That said, this entire process is a YMMV situation.

DC #1 had 1480 SAT, 11 APs, 3.9 GPA UW in FCPS HS and average ECs and was accepted by Michigan in RD but rejected by UVA.

Three years later, DC #2 had 1500 SAT, 12 APs, 3.9 GPA UW in same FCPS HS and average ECs and was accepted by UVA in EA but rejected by Michigan (deferred, then WL).

Glad we're done with this.

Total conjecture on your part.

And unless there is an "ethnicity and religion by state" breakdown on Michigan's website, you don't have a clue on the ethnic or religious breakdown of OOS students.

I'll conceed that it's not a stretch to list the 2 most overrepresented blocks attending top colleges.

I love the part about the Ivies "refusing" to take them. They have way more admits than spots. 8f course tons of all kinds will be rejected, but if certain groups encourage more apps, then they will also have more rejections.

I think PP was not referring to the present time, but to a time when previous generations (who are now donors) would have attended Michigan in part because certain Ivies were believed to have quotas for certain groups, thus making it much harder for members of those groups to be accepted. At least how that’s how I interpreted it.

Michigan has always been popular with Jewish kids from Long Island. Think part of it is more just decades of habit vs. anything with deep meaning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Minuses matter, and a LOT of kids are applying to Mich with the same activities and 1540s

Minuses don't matter at Michigan--they recalculate GPA and drop pluses and minuses.

+2 This person has no idea what they are talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Minuses matter, and a LOT of kids are applying to Mich with the same activities and 1540s

Minuses don't matter at Michigan--they recalculate GPA and drop pluses and minuses.

+2 This person has no idea what they are talking about.

Agree. It’s why someone with a lot of A- might have a chance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/09/14/before-asian-americans-sued-harvard-the-school-tried-restricting-the-number-of-jews/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/28/how-the-sat-came-to-rule-college-admissions/

Yes, Michigan was welcoming at a time when others were antisemitic. The gratitude was passed down through the generations.

Two generations later, those Jewish families are quite loyal with their kids and donations and Asians are becoming this way as well, as PP mentioned.

And a large portion, if not the majority, of both groups are from OOS:

Jews as a % of population in the state of Michigan, 0.9%; as a % of U Mich, 14%

Asians as a % of population in the state of Michigan, 3.3%; as a % of U Mich, 17.2%

Since OOS is about half of the total U Mich population, even assuming overrepresentation in the in-state enrollment, Jews and Asians would be even more overrepresented in the OOS enrollment.

When you don't turn away talent, you reap rewards for years to come.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Michigan alum with DC about to graduate from Michigan in May, and want to add my two cents:

1. Legacy is not considered as a factor in acceptances, but the legacy does help provide content to answer the "why Michigan" essay, and it does help with LOCI (see below).

2. Most of the EA acceptances are Michiganders. There are some OOS, but they defer/postpone most OOS to RA.

3. That said, Michigan used to have a round of acceptances between EA and RD that was mostly OOS. This happened to my DC, who was deferred to RA in January, but admitted in this round after submitting the LOCI (in which the motto, fight song, alma mater (not the same!) and Go Blue! were quoted). I think this was discontinued after my DC.

4. There is very little FA for OOS.

5. Many of the OOS students at Michigan are Jewish or Asian. This is the legacy of Michigan taking such students when the Ivies refuse(d) to take in more of them, despite being qualified to attend. These families tend to send their kids to the same feeder schools in NY, Chicago, etc. The Jewish families are very loyal to Michigan with their students and donations (Tisch, Ross), and now the Asians are starting to do the same (Mrs. Larry Ellison, a Chinese-American alumna, donated $ 10 million in NIL to get our next starting quarterback!).

That said, this entire process is a YMMV situation.

DC #1 had 1480 SAT, 11 APs, 3.9 GPA UW in FCPS HS and average ECs and was accepted by Michigan in RD but rejected by UVA.

Three years later, DC #2 had 1500 SAT, 12 APs, 3.9 GPA UW in same FCPS HS and average ECs and was accepted by UVA in EA but rejected by Michigan (deferred, then WL).

Glad we're done with this.

Total conjecture on your part.

And unless there is an "ethnicity and religion by state" breakdown on Michigan's website, you don't have a clue on the ethnic or religious breakdown of OOS students.

I'll conceed that it's not a stretch to list the 2 most overrepresented blocks attending top colleges.

I love the part about the Ivies "refusing" to take them. They have way more admits than spots. 8f course tons of all kinds will be rejected, but if certain groups encourage more apps, then they will also have more rejections.

I think PP was not referring to the present time, but to a time when previous generations (who are now donors) would have attended Michigan in part because certain Ivies were believed to have quotas for certain groups, thus making it much harder for members of those groups to be accepted. At least how that’s how I interpreted it.

Michigan has always been popular with Jewish kids from Long Island. Think part of it is more just decades of habit vs. anything with deep meaning.

Habit also has deep meaning. See this for an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uluDjn46x_Q

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/09/14/before-asian-americans-sued-harvard-the-school-tried-restricting-the-number-of-jews/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/28/how-the-sat-came-to-rule-college-admissions/

Yes, Michigan was welcoming at a time when others were antisemitic. The gratitude was passed down through the generations.

Two generations later, those Jewish families are quite loyal with their kids and donations and Asians are becoming this way as well, as PP mentioned.

And a large portion, if not the majority, of both groups are from OOS:

Jews as a % of population in the state of Michigan, 0.9%; as a % of U Mich, 14%

Asians as a % of population in the state of Michigan, 3.3%; as a % of U Mich, 17.2%

Since OOS is about half of the total U Mich population, even assuming overrepresentation in the in-state enrollment, Jews and Asians would be even more overrepresented in the OOS enrollment.

When you don't turn away talent, you reap rewards for years to come.

Jews and Asians are overrepresented in most selective colleges relative to their population.

No surprises here.

[Anonymous]

Deferred.

[Anonymous]

I'm the poster upthread with an URM who was deferred with several A minuses. It's interesting that Michigan views these as straight As.
It was pretty clear on the app that he's URM (national SAT recognition award, another award, extracurriculars, etc.) which i thought would help. It's interesting that Jewish and Asians are admitted in large percentages but not URM.
It's fine and he has other great choices already and hopefully more to come.