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Has the Coalition for TJ (or any other groups) considered another lawsuit?
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Anonymous
#fakenews |
Anonymous
because that "local news source" doesn't exist. You have been called on this several times and all we ever see are the social media posts. |
Anonymous
There were no news articles specifically about kids receiving test answers. The TJ school paper was a girl relaying her experience with TJ prep before the Quant Q even existed. All of these stories were broadly about privilege, but none were about test banks for the Quant Q. I’ve posted this multiple times, but you’re apparently too dim to grasp the difference. You’re a moron and a liar. |
Anonymous
It's been posted here dozens of times. Just use the search. |
Anonymous
There was a post a few months back that included a half-dozen links to multiple sources. This is a matter of fact. There is no question that this went on. |
Anonymous
Yes, I've combed through those sources. Both you and the originator of that post are either liars or morons. None of the links, aside from a facebook post, speaks specifically about Quant-Q test questions and answers being shared. You can't post news articles that are broadly about privilege helping in admissions or the TJ today article broadly about test centers having question banks of past questions for non-secured exams from the author's experience in 2014 (before Quant Q even existed) as proof of Quant-Q questions being shared. You and other people have been asked repeatedly to find a single reputable news article specifically about Quant Q questions being shared. None of you have provided any such link. Instead, you keep posting links to non-germane articles or repeating that "it has been posted here repeatedly" (it hasn't) and refusing to "post it again." Put up or shut up. If you just regurgitate that post with all of the links, you'll prove yourself to either be a moron or arguing in bad faith, since none of those links (other than the facebook post) specifically addresses sharing of Quant Q questions at test prep centers. |
Anonymous
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DP. Reposting what we do know about TJ test prep...
There was enough concern in the community about test prep companies "cracking the test" that they changed the test/process multiple times over the years. Affluent families who could afford these programs were buying their kids an unfair advantage in admissions. In fact, back in 2017 the SB switched to quant-q, which intentionally didn’t share prep, in an effort to reduce this unfair advantage. https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/04/26/is-the-no-1-high-school-in-america-thomas-jefferson-fairfax-discrimination/ “ “Is it gonna once again advantage those kids whose parents can pay to sign them up for special prep camps to now be prepping for science testing as well?” Megan McLaughlin [FCPS School Board] asked when presented with the new plan. Admissions director Jeremy Shughart doesn’t think so. The firm that markets the math portion of the test, Quant-Q, doesn’t release materials to the public, a practice that should make them harder for test-prep schools to crack.” TJ students and others have publicly acknowledged the unfair advantage that money can buy and that test prep companies have a "cache of previous and example prompts". https://www.tjtoday.org/23143/showcase/the-children-left-behind/ “ Families with more money can afford to give children that extra edge by signing them up for whatever prep classes they can find. They can pay money to tutoring organizations to teach their children test-taking skills, “skills learned outside of school,” and to access a cache of previous and example prompts, as I witnessed when I took TJ prep; even if prompts become outdated by test changes, even access to old prompts enables private tutoring pupils to gain an upper edge over others: pupils become accustomed to the format of the writing sections and gain an approximate idea of what to expect.” TJ students admitted that they shared quant-q test questions with a test prep company or they saw nearly identical questions on the test. https://www.facebook.com/tjvents/posts/pfbid0jKy4hotXF8AxKwfHm2MAVi7e2yYoCqtrTTXPYsszAdQg6uMoTmReMidqyM1mpu9Bl Examples of various test prep companies harvesting test questions and sharing with others. https://katedalby.com/get-tj-update/ The math required for the test is basic math, algebra, and geometry. In the past, we have used old SAT tests from 30 years ago augmented with select problems to mimic the Quant Q. In order to adapt to the changes, we will increase the number of permutation and combination problems in response to students’ observations about the math last fall. https://www.optimaltjprep.com/ ““M. said that the math questions were very similar to the challenge problems she did with you in classes.” - C.R. (Mother, after 2018-19 test) “E. said that the math questions were very close to what she did with you during the last 2 sessions. To quote her exactly: 'Dr, Tripathi's math problems were dead on point.' We really appreciate your help with her preparation for the test!” - L.R. (Father, after 2017-18 test)” Many videos showing how to solve actual SIS math questions on TJ admissions tests: https://www.youtube.com/@katedalbysinspiringtestpre864/videos https://www.youtube.com/@EduAvenuesTJTestPrep https://www.youtube.com/@principiatutorsconsultants4395/videos Kids from affluent families who attend these test prep programs have an unfair advantage. The test prep companies are constantly trying to "crack the test". They ask students to share details/questions about the tests and then share that info with other students. |
Anonymous
Yikes. Do people really pay for SOL tutoring? 
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Anonymous
IIRC, in the CogAT cheating scandal, parents were able to get access to the actual CogAT test being given before it was given. Re: TJ, the test prep companies shared previous test questions. They aren't sharing the actual test being given in advance. Sounds like sometimes the questions were reused though and/or looked very similar to previous tests. |
Anonymous
Most kids in 7th/8th are not disciplined enough to map out what they need to in Khan and stick to a schedule. The structure and accountability are one of the main reasons why parents pay for these test prep courses. They are much more effective for most kids, which is why parents shell out the big bucks for them. Plus, for TJ the test prep companies were "cracking the code" on the latest admissions tests giving those kids an even bigger advantage. |
Anonymous
Exactly. |
Anonymous
This. Most kids aren't disciplined enough to handle this on their own. For wealthier parents, the only benefit in paying $$$ for the prep course is that you can outsource all of the nagging that you would otherwise have to do to keep your kid on track. I'm sure that I could handle the prep for my kid just fine using khan academy. But I don't want to have to micromanage my kid and do all of the nagging. It's the same reason I outsourced driver's ed for my kid. The easiest way to level the playing field is for the lower SES schools and/or Young Scholars programs to offer an afterschool 'TJ prep' club, where they go through khan academy psat 8/9 prep and practice writing essays. That would also help separate the kids who really want to attend TJ and are willing to put in the work from those who won't. |
Anonymous
No matter how many times you post these facts I'll simply pretend I never saw it. |
Anonymous
The only one that was specifically about sharing Quant-Q questions was the facebook post. No matter how many times you post this list, it still doesn't contain an actual news article or any real proof that test prep companies had a question bank of actual Quant-Q questions or that affluent families basically "bought the test." |
Anonymous
Your claim was that families were paying for test answers. The evidence provided is that people pay for test prep and test prep can provide an advantage. Equating prep to paying for test answers is like equating baseball practice or watching game tape to paying off the umpires. If you have to lie to make your point, you don't have much of a point. As for "cracking the test," the more transparent a test is (see PSAT) the less impact expensive test prep has over cheap test prep. If everyone has access to "test prep" then there is no real advantage to it and PSAT test prep ha s a lot of free/cheap options. |