Has the Coalition for TJ (or any other groups) considered another lawsuit?

[Anonymous]

The TJ admissions policy is discriminating against students based on their national origin. Giving bonus "experience" points to students who are ELLs is a form of discrimination against students who are born in the United States and therefore are most likely to speak English. Equating speaking a foreign language has been used in lawsuits before to show discrimination based on national origin.

A student with a perfect score of 900 on the TJ admissions scoresheet can't compete with a student who scored 871, but received 30 bonus points due to ELL status. This is 100% discrimination against students with United States as their national origin.

[Anonymous]

"National origin" & languages spoken aren't protected classes.

It's not discrimination.

Go find something else to troll about.

[Anonymous]

Y’all are about to get the white nationalist utopia you wanted and you still want lawsuits?

[Anonymous]

So the goal of TJ is to offer science and math to a broad range of FCPS students, which is why they draw from across the county; the goal is not to offer science and math to the top XX number of students who apply. Just because a prospective student may have an entrance score 30 points below another student doesn’t mean that student is incompetent and will not succeed. Give it up, girlfriend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"National origin" & languages spoken aren't protected classes.

It's not discrimination.

Go find something else to troll about.

National origin isn’t a protected class? You sure about that?

[Anonymous]

National origin is absolutely a protected class. The current admissions process uses proxies for race and ethnicity to achieve the goals of the school board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The TJ admissions policy is discriminating against students based on their national origin. Giving bonus "experience" points to students who are ELLs is a form of discrimination against students who are born in the United States and therefore are most likely to speak English. Equating speaking a foreign language has been used in lawsuits before to show discrimination based on national origin.

A student with a perfect score of 900 on the TJ admissions scoresheet can't compete with a student who scored 871, but received 30 bonus points due to ELL status. This is 100% discrimination against students with United States as their national origin.

My advice to you is to consult this issue with a civil right attorney to find precedence where language not spoken can be used as indication of national origin in discrimination cases. I am an attorney not specialized in such areas but I can see the pitfalls in your leap of logic.

An English Language Learner (ELL) is a student who speaks a language other than English at home and needs support to learn English. Many native born Americans could qualify as ELL . One could argue that a student who speaks a language other than English at home is not a reliable indicator of national origin.

"US-born ELLs typically know basic vocabulary terms and may speak similar to a native English speaker. They often struggle with academic language. Tier 2 academic language is particularly important for students to learn because it is seen across multiple subject areas. It can be confusing though since that same word can have a slightly different meaning in different contexts."

https://www.aworldoflanguagelearners.com/strategies-for-helping-english-language-learners-that-were-born-in-the-united-states/

[Anonymous]

Not clear what alleged tort might exist - relative to TJ - which courts have not already ruled upon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The TJ admissions policy is discriminating against students based on their national origin. Giving bonus "experience" points to students who are ELLs is a form of discrimination against students who are born in the United States and therefore are most likely to speak English. Equating speaking a foreign language has been used in lawsuits before to show discrimination based on national origin.

A student with a perfect score of 900 on the TJ admissions scoresheet can't compete with a student who scored 871, but received 30 bonus points due to ELL status. This is 100% discrimination against students with United States as their national origin.

Are you randomly making up numbers for your example or are TJ scoresheets really up to 900 points and then 30 points for each experience factor? If that’s actual scoring, do you know how the math and student profile essays get scored? Is it a possible 500 for the 1 math question and then 100 possible for each of the 4 profile essays? Or what is breakdown?

Thanks!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"National origin" & languages spoken aren't protected classes.

It's not discrimination.

Go find something else to troll about.

National origin is absolutely a protected class.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the goal of TJ is to offer science and math to a broad range of FCPS students, which is why they draw from across the county; the goal is not to offer science and math to the top XX number of students who apply. Just because a prospective student may have an entrance score 30 points below another student doesn’t mean that student is incompetent and will not succeed. Give it up, girlfriend.

It means they are likely less competent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the goal of TJ is to offer science and math to a broad range of FCPS students, which is why they draw from across the county; the goal is not to offer science and math to the top XX number of students who apply. Just because a prospective student may have an entrance score 30 points below another student doesn’t mean that student is incompetent and will not succeed. Give it up, girlfriend.

DP
This is absolutely [b]not[/b[ the goal of governor's schools.
"The Virginia Governor's School Program has been designed to assist divisions as they meet the needs of a small population of students whose learning levels are remarkably different from their age-level peers. "

Nowhere does it say the purpose is to serve a broad range of students. it is intended for a very small and specific range of students.

https://www.doe.virginia.gov/teaching-learning-assessment/specialized-instruction/governor-s-schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The TJ admissions policy is discriminating against students based on their national origin. Giving bonus "experience" points to students who are ELLs is a form of discrimination against students who are born in the United States and therefore are most likely to speak English. Equating speaking a foreign language has been used in lawsuits before to show discrimination based on national origin.

A student with a perfect score of 900 on the TJ admissions scoresheet can't compete with a student who scored 871, but received 30 bonus points due to ELL status. This is 100% discrimination against students with United States as their national origin.

My advice to you is to consult this issue with a civil right attorney to find precedence where language not spoken can be used as indication of national origin in discrimination cases. I am an attorney not specialized in such areas but I can see the pitfalls in your leap of logic.

An English Language Learner (ELL) is a student who speaks a language other than English at home and needs support to learn English. Many native born Americans could qualify as ELL . One could argue that a student who speaks a language other than English at home is not a reliable indicator of national origin. "US-born ELLs typically know basic vocabulary terms and may speak similar to a native English speaker. They often struggle with academic language. Tier 2 academic language is particularly important for students to learn because it is seen across multiple subject areas. It can be confusing though since that same word can have a slightly different meaning in different contexts."

https://www.aworldoflanguagelearners.com/strategies-for-helping-english-language-learners-that-were-born-in-the-united-states/

And yet discrimination against ELLs has been struck down based on the prohibition against discrimination based on national origin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the goal of TJ is to offer science and math to a broad range of FCPS students, which is why they draw from across the county; the goal is not to offer science and math to the top XX number of students who apply. Just because a prospective student may have an entrance score 30 points below another student doesn’t mean that student is incompetent and will not succeed. Give it up, girlfriend.

DP
This is absolutely [b]not[/b[ the goal of governor's schools.
"The Virginia Governor's School Program has been designed to assist divisions as they meet the needs of a small population of students whose learning levels are remarkably different from their age-level peers. "

Nowhere does it say the purpose is to serve a broad range of students. it is intended for a very small and specific range of students.

https://www.doe.virginia.gov/teaching-learning-assessment/specialized-instruction/governor-s-schools

Right but just because kids prepped to do well on an entrance exam does not make them have a “remarkably different” learning level. Since the old system got clogged down with far too many people prepping for it it needed a change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the goal of TJ is to offer science and math to a broad range of FCPS students, which is why they draw from across the county; the goal is not to offer science and math to the top XX number of students who apply. Just because a prospective student may have an entrance score 30 points below another student doesn’t mean that student is incompetent and will not succeed. Give it up, girlfriend.

DP
This is absolutely not[/b[ the goal of governor's schools.
"The Virginia Governor's School Program has been designed to assist [b]divisions as they meet the needs of a small population of students whose learning levels are remarkably different from their age-level peers. "

Nowhere does it say the purpose is to serve a broad range of students. it is intended for a very small and specific range of students.

https://www.doe.virginia.gov/teaching-learning-assessment/specialized-instruction/governor-s-schools

Divisions. Not a handful of wealthy feeders.