NJ mayor who is running for Congress, opposed hiring Jews

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people her who have such disdain for the Hasidic Jews feel the same way about the Amish. The Amish send their kids to religious private school and they only get schooled up until 8th grade. The state allows this because they consider working vocational training. If you were to give an Amish child a standardized test they’d probably fail it and their first language is also not English. In places with large Amish populations the school district suffers a lack of sufficient public school funding because they don’t have enough students attending to reasonably support the school.

The Amish aren’t taking control of local government.

Generally the religious or ethnic makeup of a local populace is what’s reflected in the local government. You say this as if it’s some grand conspiracy. Rockland County has the largest Jewish population in the US. Of course the local government would have Jews as members.

And generally the point of the school board is to look out for the best interests of students with regards to public funds. the difference is these people use their big voting block to get on the school board and work against non jewish students by defunding and closing schools. i don’t see any other community doing this. not amish, not fundamental christian, not muslims. and to get back to the point of the thread, i would bet money this mayor doesn’t just hate jewish people, rather he doesn’t want soemthing like that to happen in his town

How many of the lowest performing school districts in NJ are “controlled by Jews”? Last time I checked Trenton schools weren’t doing so well.

Hasids aren’t regular Jews. They barely have education or believe highly in it. They (men ) only study Torah. They are famous for truancy despite getting money to form their own schools.
Women can’t study Torah of course snd many Hasidic kids say they never went to school at all past a certain age . Why they are taking public school funds is anyone’s guess but Nj and Ny politicos are too scared to do anything

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people her who have such disdain for the Hasidic Jews feel the same way about the Amish. The Amish send their kids to religious private school and they only get schooled up until 8th grade. The state allows this because they consider working vocational training. If you were to give an Amish child a standardized test they’d probably fail it and their first language is also not English. In places with large Amish populations the school district suffers a lack of sufficient public school funding because they don’t have enough students attending to reasonably support the school.

The Amish aren’t taking control of local government.

Generally the religious or ethnic makeup of a local populace is what’s reflected in the local government. You say this as if it’s some grand conspiracy. Rockland County has the largest Jewish population in the US. Of course the local government would have Jews as members.

And generally the point of the school board is to look out for the best interests of students with regards to public funds. the difference is these people use their big voting block to get on the school board and work against non jewish students by defunding and closing schools. i don’t see any other community doing this. not amish, not fundamental christian, not muslims. and to get back to the point of the thread, i would bet money this mayor doesn’t just hate jewish people, rather he doesn’t want soemthing like that to happen in his town

How many of the lowest performing school districts in NJ are “controlled by Jews”? Last time I checked Trenton schools weren’t doing so well.

Hasids aren’t regular Jews. They barely have education or believe highly in it. They (men ) only study Torah. They are famous for truancy despite getting money to form their own schools.
Women can’t study Torah of course snd many Hasidic kids say they never went to school at all past a certain age . Why they are taking public school funds is anyone’s guess but Nj and Ny politicos are too scared to do anything

Sorry, but what exactly is a “regular Jew” . Who are you to define what a Jew is?

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people her who have such disdain for the Hasidic Jews feel the same way about the Amish. The Amish send their kids to religious private school and they only get schooled up until 8th grade. The state allows this because they consider working vocational training. If you were to give an Amish child a standardized test they’d probably fail it and their first language is also not English. In places with large Amish populations the school district suffers a lack of sufficient public school funding because they don’t have enough students attending to reasonably support the school.

The Amish aren’t taking control of local government.

Generally the religious or ethnic makeup of a local populace is what’s reflected in the local government. You say this as if it’s some grand conspiracy. Rockland County has the largest Jewish population in the US. Of course the local government would have Jews as members.

And generally the point of the school board is to look out for the best interests of students with regards to public funds. the difference is these people use their big voting block to get on the school board and work against non jewish students by defunding and closing schools. i don’t see any other community doing this. not amish, not fundamental christian, not muslims. and to get back to the point of the thread, i would bet money this mayor doesn’t just hate jewish people, rather he doesn’t want soemthing like that to happen in his town

How many of the lowest performing school districts in NJ are “controlled by Jews”? Last time I checked Trenton schools weren’t doing so well.

Hasids aren’t regular Jews. They barely have education or believe highly in it. They (men ) only study Torah. They are famous for truancy despite getting money to form their own schools.
Women can’t study Torah of course snd many Hasidic kids say they never went to school at all past a certain age . Why they are taking public school funds is anyone’s guess but Nj and Ny politicos are too scared to do anything

Sorry, but what exactly is a “regular Jew” . Who are you to define what a Jew is?

It’s pretty clear that most people have a deep animus towards Hasidic Jews that they do not even register to themselves as deeply xenophobic and anti-semitic. Because they look different, are insular, have different values, and are said to “take over” spaces and institutions. they do not try to assimilate and make others comfortable like the “good Jews.” All the tropes are right there, and it results in a terrifyingly high rate of hate crime attacks against them. My son has Hasidic cousins and it’s a scary thing. They’re just normal families that live in a different way.

That the presumably “liberal” and “tolerant” DCUM crowd cannot distinguish between criticism of some actions by politicians associated with the group, and the group itself, is disappointing but not surprising. This is a crowd that never quite seems to get that constitutional protections are neutral and apply to all.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people her who have such disdain for the Hasidic Jews feel the same way about the Amish. The Amish send their kids to religious private school and they only get schooled up until 8th grade. The state allows this because they consider working vocational training. If you were to give an Amish child a standardized test they’d probably fail it and their first language is also not English. In places with large Amish populations the school district suffers a lack of sufficient public school funding because they don’t have enough students attending to reasonably support the school.

No, because the Amish do not try and impose their beliefs on other people. That is the key difference.

The Hasidic are not trying to impose their beliefs on anyone. Please provide examples of this. You may disagree with how local government is run but that doesn’t mean anyone is imposing beliefs.

gender segregated buses and pools

Muslim/Islamic private schools have gender separated buses and pools.

We are not talking about privately funded buses and pools.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

This is about a public official openly saying he would refuse to hire someone due to their religion. That’s wrong if the person is Hasidic, Mormon, or anything else. Equating Hasids with the Taliban is something else …

Once again: the strength of your dislike of a religion does NOT mean you get to discriminate against those individuals in employment. Taking action against someone because you dislike their religion is literally the definition of discrimination.

I have no qualms about saying I dislike and have a bias against religious fundamentalists of all varieties. This is not about Judaism. It is about a bastardized offshoot.

Complaining about FLDS is not anti-Mormon. Complaining about the Westboro Baptist Church is not anti-Christian. Complaining about the Taliban is not anti-Muslim. Complaining about Bodu Bala Sena is not anti-Buddhist. Complaining about the RSS is not anti-Hindu. Complaining about the ultra-Orthodox is not anti-Jewish.

Actually, the majority of Jews, including myself, are the bastardized offshoots.

You are mistaken and should have more self-respect. The Haredi movement is an early 20th Century creation.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people her who have such disdain for the Hasidic Jews feel the same way about the Amish. The Amish send their kids to religious private school and they only get schooled up until 8th grade. The state allows this because they consider working vocational training. If you were to give an Amish child a standardized test they’d probably fail it and their first language is also not English. In places with large Amish populations the school district suffers a lack of sufficient public school funding because they don’t have enough students attending to reasonably support the school.

No, because the Amish do not try and impose their beliefs on other people. That is the key difference.

The Hasidic are not trying to impose their beliefs on anyone. Please provide examples of this. You may disagree with how local government is run but that doesn’t mean anyone is imposing beliefs.

gender segregated buses and pools

Muslim/Islamic private schools have gender separated buses and pools.

We are not talking about privately funded buses and pools.

are you against gender segregated locker rooms at pools too? the underlying notion of single sex hours for swimming as a religious accomodation is bog-standard constitutional/civil rights law. although the division of hours needs to be fair, it can be a reasonable accomodation for *any* religion that adheres to modesty standards. I know less about the bus issue but again, it’s not some crazy plot being foisted by the Scary Bad Jews. It’s a religious accomodation that has to follow the clearly established principles of all the case law that already exists.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

This is about a public official openly saying he would refuse to hire someone due to their religion. That’s wrong if the person is Hasidic, Mormon, or anything else. Equating Hasids with the Taliban is something else …

Once again: the strength of your dislike of a religion does NOT mean you get to discriminate against those individuals in employment. Taking action against someone because you dislike their religion is literally the definition of discrimination.

I have no qualms about saying I dislike and have a bias against religious fundamentalists of all varieties. This is not about Judaism. It is about a bastardized offshoot.

Complaining about FLDS is not anti-Mormon. Complaining about the Westboro Baptist Church is not anti-Christian. Complaining about the Taliban is not anti-Muslim. Complaining about Bodu Bala Sena is not anti-Buddhist. Complaining about the RSS is not anti-Hindu. Complaining about the ultra-Orthodox is not anti-Jewish.

Actually, the majority of Jews, including myself, are the bastardized offshoots.

You are mistaken and should have more self-respect. The Haredi movement is an early 20th Century creation.

false, the roots go back much further: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasidic_Judaism

The modern development in Israel, US and UK began in the 20th century for obvious reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people her who have such disdain for the Hasidic Jews feel the same way about the Amish. The Amish send their kids to religious private school and they only get schooled up until 8th grade. The state allows this because they consider working vocational training. If you were to give an Amish child a standardized test they’d probably fail it and their first language is also not English. In places with large Amish populations the school district suffers a lack of sufficient public school funding because they don’t have enough students attending to reasonably support the school.

The Amish aren’t taking control of local government.

Generally the religious or ethnic makeup of a local populace is what’s reflected in the local government. You say this as if it’s some grand conspiracy. Rockland County has the largest Jewish population in the US. Of course the local government would have Jews as members.

And generally the point of the school board is to look out for the best interests of students with regards to public funds. the difference is these people use their big voting block to get on the school board and work against non jewish students by defunding and closing schools. i don’t see any other community doing this. not amish, not fundamental christian, not muslims. and to get back to the point of the thread, i would bet money this mayor doesn’t just hate jewish people, rather he doesn’t want soemthing like that to happen in his town

How many of the lowest performing school districts in NJ are “controlled by Jews”? Last time I checked Trenton schools weren’t doing so well.

Hasids aren’t regular Jews. They barely have education or believe highly in it. They (men ) only study Torah. They are famous for truancy despite getting money to form their own schools.
Women can’t study Torah of course snd many Hasidic kids say they never went to school at all past a certain age . Why they are taking public school funds is anyone’s guess but Nj and Ny politicos are too scared to do anything

This. The New York Times did a huge investigation into the private schools and found that the kids there aren’t learning anything.
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1082575.page

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people her who have such disdain for the Hasidic Jews feel the same way about the Amish. The Amish send their kids to religious private school and they only get schooled up until 8th grade. The state allows this because they consider working vocational training. If you were to give an Amish child a standardized test they’d probably fail it and their first language is also not English. In places with large Amish populations the school district suffers a lack of sufficient public school funding because they don’t have enough students attending to reasonably support the school.

The Amish aren’t taking control of local government.

Generally the religious or ethnic makeup of a local populace is what’s reflected in the local government. You say this as if it’s some grand conspiracy. Rockland County has the largest Jewish population in the US. Of course the local government would have Jews as members.

And generally the point of the school board is to look out for the best interests of students with regards to public funds. the difference is these people use their big voting block to get on the school board and work against non jewish students by defunding and closing schools. i don’t see any other community doing this. not amish, not fundamental christian, not muslims. and to get back to the point of the thread, i would bet money this mayor doesn’t just hate jewish people, rather he doesn’t want soemthing like that to happen in his town

How many of the lowest performing school districts in NJ are “controlled by Jews”? Last time I checked Trenton schools weren’t doing so well.

Hasids aren’t regular Jews. They barely have education or believe highly in it. They (men ) only study Torah. They are famous for truancy despite getting money to form their own schools.
Women can’t study Torah of course snd many Hasidic kids say they never went to school at all past a certain age . Why they are taking public school funds is anyone’s guess but Nj and Ny politicos are too scared to do anything

This. The New York Times did a huge investigation into the private schools and found that the kids there aren’t learning anything.
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1082575.page

Does this justify throwing all our civil rights laws out the window and saying that you can bar someone from employment and housing due to belonging to a religious group you think is bad?

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people her who have such disdain for the Hasidic Jews feel the same way about the Amish. The Amish send their kids to religious private school and they only get schooled up until 8th grade. The state allows this because they consider working vocational training. If you were to give an Amish child a standardized test they’d probably fail it and their first language is also not English. In places with large Amish populations the school district suffers a lack of sufficient public school funding because they don’t have enough students attending to reasonably support the school.

The Amish aren’t taking control of local government.

Generally the religious or ethnic makeup of a local populace is what’s reflected in the local government. You say this as if it’s some grand conspiracy. Rockland County has the largest Jewish population in the US. Of course the local government would have Jews as members.

And generally the point of the school board is to look out for the best interests of students with regards to public funds. the difference is these people use their big voting block to get on the school board and work against non jewish students by defunding and closing schools. i don’t see any other community doing this. not amish, not fundamental christian, not muslims. and to get back to the point of the thread, i would bet money this mayor doesn’t just hate jewish people, rather he doesn’t want soemthing like that to happen in his town

+1 his comments were not about all Jewish people, they were about Hasidim.

For the millionth time, state & federal civil rights law do not allow you to bar people from public employment or home ownership because you dislike or even fear their religious group.

But they can and should be rightly banned when they engage in knowingly illegal activity with intent to harm the community. Why is this so difficult for you to understand and accept? Merely because they are Jewish they are allowed to harm the local population?

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people her who have such disdain for the Hasidic Jews feel the same way about the Amish. The Amish send their kids to religious private school and they only get schooled up until 8th grade. The state allows this because they consider working vocational training. If you were to give an Amish child a standardized test they’d probably fail it and their first language is also not English. In places with large Amish populations the school district suffers a lack of sufficient public school funding because they don’t have enough students attending to reasonably support the school.

The Amish aren’t taking control of local government.

Generally the religious or ethnic makeup of a local populace is what’s reflected in the local government. You say this as if it’s some grand conspiracy. Rockland County has the largest Jewish population in the US. Of course the local government would have Jews as members.

And generally the point of the school board is to look out for the best interests of students with regards to public funds. the difference is these people use their big voting block to get on the school board and work against non jewish students by defunding and closing schools. i don’t see any other community doing this. not amish, not fundamental christian, not muslims. and to get back to the point of the thread, i would bet money this mayor doesn’t just hate jewish people, rather he doesn’t want soemthing like that to happen in his town

How many of the lowest performing school districts in NJ are “controlled by Jews”? Last time I checked Trenton schools weren’t doing so well.

Hasids aren’t regular Jews. They barely have education or believe highly in it. They (men ) only study Torah. They are famous for truancy despite getting money to form their own schools.
Women can’t study Torah of course snd many Hasidic kids say they never went to school at all past a certain age . Why they are taking public school funds is anyone’s guess but Nj and Ny politicos are too scared to do anything

Sorry, but what exactly is a “regular Jew” . Who are you to define what a Jew is?

It’s pretty clear that most people have a deep animus towards Hasidic Jews that they do not even register to themselves as deeply xenophobic and anti-semitic. Because they look different, are insular, have different values, and are said to “take over” spaces and institutions. they do not try to assimilate and make others comfortable like the “good Jews.” All the tropes are right there, and it results in a terrifyingly high rate of hate crime attacks against them. My son has Hasidic cousins and it’s a scary thing. They’re just normal families that live in a different way.

That the presumably “liberal” and “tolerant” DCUM crowd cannot distinguish between criticism of some actions by politicians associated with the group, and the group itself, is disappointing but not surprising. This is a crowd that never quite seems to get that constitutional protections are neutral and apply to all.

Hasidic Jews are rightly called out for their ultra-right wing and often archaic views on gender equality, education, human rights, and religious freedom. I have the same issue with the Hasidic communities as I do with the Taliban, the far right wing Mormons in UT/ID, Opus Dei and other groups. I was vehemently against the nomination of ACB to SCOTUS because she is incapable of serving as Justice without codifying her religious beliefs. I see Hasidic Jews as being no different. All religious extremism is damaging to society. And Hasidim have a long history of doing exactly that in their communities. Plus, they are the largest recipients of welfare in the US. I find that problematic. They refuse to work and insist on public handouts.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people her who have such disdain for the Hasidic Jews feel the same way about the Amish. The Amish send their kids to religious private school and they only get schooled up until 8th grade. The state allows this because they consider working vocational training. If you were to give an Amish child a standardized test they’d probably fail it and their first language is also not English. In places with large Amish populations the school district suffers a lack of sufficient public school funding because they don’t have enough students attending to reasonably support the school.

The Amish aren’t taking control of local government.

Generally the religious or ethnic makeup of a local populace is what’s reflected in the local government. You say this as if it’s some grand conspiracy. Rockland County has the largest Jewish population in the US. Of course the local government would have Jews as members.

And generally the point of the school board is to look out for the best interests of students with regards to public funds. the difference is these people use their big voting block to get on the school board and work against non jewish students by defunding and closing schools. i don’t see any other community doing this. not amish, not fundamental christian, not muslims. and to get back to the point of the thread, i would bet money this mayor doesn’t just hate jewish people, rather he doesn’t want soemthing like that to happen in his town

+1 his comments were not about all Jewish people, they were about Hasidim.

For the millionth time, state & federal civil rights law do not allow you to bar people from public employment or home ownership because you dislike or even fear their religious group.

But they can and should be rightly banned when they engage in knowingly illegal activity with intent to harm the community. Why is this so difficult for you to understand and accept? Merely because they are Jewish they are allowed to harm the local population?

NOBODY should EVER be banned from employment or housing or government positions due to their religion. There is no “but we don’t like *those people*” exclusion to civil rights laws. Do you truly not understand this? Do you think towns are allowed to put up “No Hasids Here” signs?

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

This is about a public official openly saying he would refuse to hire someone due to their religion. That’s wrong if the person is Hasidic, Mormon, or anything else. Equating Hasids with the Taliban is something else …

Once again: the strength of your dislike of a religion does NOT mean you get to discriminate against those individuals in employment. Taking action against someone because you dislike their religion is literally the definition of discrimination.

I have no qualms about saying I dislike and have a bias against religious fundamentalists of all varieties. This is not about Judaism. It is about a bastardized offshoot.

Complaining about FLDS is not anti-Mormon. Complaining about the Westboro Baptist Church is not anti-Christian. Complaining about the Taliban is not anti-Muslim. Complaining about Bodu Bala Sena is not anti-Buddhist. Complaining about the RSS is not anti-Hindu. Complaining about the ultra-Orthodox is not anti-Jewish.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people her who have such disdain for the Hasidic Jews feel the same way about the Amish. The Amish send their kids to religious private school and they only get schooled up until 8th grade. The state allows this because they consider working vocational training. If you were to give an Amish child a standardized test they’d probably fail it and their first language is also not English. In places with large Amish populations the school district suffers a lack of sufficient public school funding because they don’t have enough students attending to reasonably support the school.

The Amish aren’t taking control of local government.

Generally the religious or ethnic makeup of a local populace is what’s reflected in the local government. You say this as if it’s some grand conspiracy. Rockland County has the largest Jewish population in the US. Of course the local government would have Jews as members.

And generally the point of the school board is to look out for the best interests of students with regards to public funds. the difference is these people use their big voting block to get on the school board and work against non jewish students by defunding and closing schools. i don’t see any other community doing this. not amish, not fundamental christian, not muslims. and to get back to the point of the thread, i would bet money this mayor doesn’t just hate jewish people, rather he doesn’t want soemthing like that to happen in his town

+1 his comments were not about all Jewish people, they were about Hasidim.

For the millionth time, state & federal civil rights law do not allow you to bar people from public employment or home ownership because you dislike or even fear their religious group.

But they can and should be rightly banned when they engage in knowingly illegal activity with intent to harm the community. Why is this so difficult for you to understand and accept? Merely because they are Jewish they are allowed to harm the local population?

First of all nothing illegal happened. Second of all are you saying an entire group should be banned? Because that’s essentially what this mayor wants.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

This is about a public official openly saying he would refuse to hire someone due to their religion. That’s wrong if the person is Hasidic, Mormon, or anything else. Equating Hasids with the Taliban is something else …

Once again: the strength of your dislike of a religion does NOT mean you get to discriminate against those individuals in employment. Taking action against someone because you dislike their religion is literally the definition of discrimination.

I have no qualms about saying I dislike and have a bias against religious fundamentalists of all varieties. This is not about Judaism. It is about a bastardized offshoot.

Complaining about FLDS is not anti-Mormon. Complaining about the Westboro Baptist Church is not anti-Christian. Complaining about the Taliban is not anti-Muslim. Complaining about Bodu Bala Sena is not anti-Buddhist. Complaining about the RSS is not anti-Hindu. Complaining about the ultra-Orthodox is not anti-Jewish.

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you can complain all you like - but you cannot ban people from jobs and housing due to their religion.