UVA OOS vs UF in-state

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Anonymous wrote:UVA OOS (around $70k/year, all-in) vs UF (honors, FWIW) in-state.

UF would obviously be far less expensive - instate tuition <$10k.

UVA is well-respected, especially in the mid-atlantic. While UF is a pretty highly ranked public, I'm just not sure. Looking for opinions...

UVA is more than 70k. Add the Florida in-state tuition to the 70k and you have what it costs — 80k, or more depending on major. But you would know that if DC was actually choosing between these schools.

With DCTag and the major choice, it's around 70. Nice attitude, though. You seem a little jealous.

It's 90, and 80 with DC tag for CS, which is part of Engineering and higher tuition and fees. Not jealous of people who can't read:
https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-2025

BACS is 10k less than a BSCS.

So you would pay 30k more per year so your kid could take computer science “light” at UVA? Huge mistake.

It's not really CS "light" - just different requirements (e.g. language in place of physics, diff eq, etc.). The BA requirements are perfect for my student's interests. McGill does something similar, so it's not uncommon

Everyone has an opinion, but not everyone is so pedantic and rude.

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Anonymous wrote:On college confidential, several people mentioned getting into Michigan but not UF. UF is definitely becoming more selective.

UF is known for being quirky with oos admissions, it often doesn’t take the highest stat students.

Regardless the method of selection, OOS acceptance rate appears to be at or below 10% this admissions cycle.

Do you know if UF published that information? I was really curious about getting the information on this cycle's admits.

I'm unaware whether it has already been officially published, but estimates I've been able to work out using the priority admissions data from their Dec. 2023 disclosure suggest that the likelihood that the OOS acceptance count exceeded 2,900 is low. At that point, the acceptance rate would fall below 10%.

Expected would be some ED dropouts from the OOS pool who notified UF that they were no longer to be considered for admission, but I would expect that count to be lower than the non-priority applications received from OOS applicants after 11/1/2023. Everything considered, it looking like the OOS acceptance rate is going to land around that 10% level.

This seems unlikely as last year’s oos acceptance rate was 20 percent. You probably aren’t accounting for the fact that they accept way more students than actually enroll. So if they enroll 2900 oos students, they likely are admitting at least twice that assuming an oos yield of 50 percent, which is probably too generous.

UF had approx. 29,000 OOS priority applicants (i.e., applicants who submitted their application by the Nov. 2023 deadline) when they reported on the admissions cycle in December 2023, and approx. 38,000 in-state applicants at that same time. That jives with their disclosed total of 67,784 applicants at that time.

They accept around 15,000 applicants each year. Check the historical CDS details if you care to nail down the exact number.

Therefore, even if you assume that the ED candidates who were accepted elsewhere (and who then withdrew their UF application) are at the same level of the number of applications that were received after the priority deadline (they aren't even close, but let's say they are to establish a worst case scenario), the acceptance rate would seem to land around 22% this admissions cycle. In reality, the denominator is probably going to land at or above 70,000 this year, resulting in an effective acceptance rate of approx. 21.4% ...

Meanwhile, UF has some flexibility to enroll more than 10% of an incoming class from OOS, but not enough to get that OOS acceptance rate up to 20%. If they did, they would be accepting at least 5,800 OS applicants. And if they convert only 25% of those 5,800 acceptances into admissions, that would translate into 22% OOS enrollment. Maybe they can get away with that, but I doubt it.

That actually sounds about right for oos yield.

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Anonymous wrote:On college confidential, several people mentioned getting into Michigan but not UF. UF is definitely becoming more selective.

UF is known for being quirky with oos admissions, it often doesn’t take the highest stat students.

Regardless the method of selection, OOS acceptance rate appears to be at or below 10% this admissions cycle.

Do you know if UF published that information? I was really curious about getting the information on this cycle's admits.

I'm unaware whether it has already been officially published, but estimates I've been able to work out using the priority admissions data from their Dec. 2023 disclosure suggest that the likelihood that the OOS acceptance count exceeded 2,900 is low. At that point, the acceptance rate would fall below 10%.

Expected would be some ED dropouts from the OOS pool who notified UF that they were no longer to be considered for admission, but I would expect that count to be lower than the non-priority applications received from OOS applicants after 11/1/2023. Everything considered, it looking like the OOS acceptance rate is going to land around that 10% level.

This seems unlikely as last year’s oos acceptance rate was 20 percent. You probably aren’t accounting for the fact that they accept way more students than actually enroll. So if they enroll 2900 oos students, they likely are admitting at least twice that assuming an oos yield of 50 percent, which is probably too generous.

UF had approx. 29,000 OOS priority applicants (i.e., applicants who submitted their application by the Nov. 2023 deadline) when they reported on the admissions cycle in December 2023, and approx. 38,000 in-state applicants at that same time. That jives with their disclosed total of 67,784 applicants at that time.

They accept around 15,000 applicants each year. Check the historical CDS details if you care to nail down the exact number.

Therefore, even if you assume that the ED candidates who were accepted elsewhere (and who then withdrew their UF application) are at the same level of the number of applications that were received after the priority deadline (they aren't even close, but let's say they are to establish a worst case scenario), the acceptance rate would seem to land around 22% this admissions cycle. In reality, the denominator is probably going to land at or above 70,000 this year, resulting in an effective acceptance rate of approx. 21.4% ...

Meanwhile, UF has some flexibility to enroll more than 10% of an incoming class from OOS, but not enough to get that OOS acceptance rate up to 20%. If they did, they would be accepting at least 5,800 OS applicants. And if they convert only 25% of those 5,800 acceptances into admissions, that would translate into 22% OOS enrollment. Maybe they can get away with that, but I doubt it.

That actually sounds about right for oos yield.

If it's right (i.e., 20% OOS acceptance rate, yielding 5,800 acceptance letters), then obviously the in-state acceptance rate is FAR lower than what is thrown around. If OOS acceptances are 5,800 or so, that suggests that in-state acceptances are 9,200 or so.

9,200 / 38,000 = 24.2%, which is obviously a hell of a lot lower than the 35%+ in-state acceptance rate that I saw posted in a few different resources.

Actually, if you assume that the in-state acceptance rate is even 30%, you end up with around 11,400 acceptance letters for in-state applicants. If you further assume that only 50% ultimately attend (for UF, probably realistic given the aura of the school in the sunshine state), which is probably a very conservative bet, you end up with around 5,700 in-state enrollments ... and room for only 900 OOS enrollments.

900 / 5,800 = 15.5% ... it seem that either the yield for OOS applicants is REALLY low. Or else the acceptance rate for OOS applicants is likely lower than 20%.

The original estimate of 10% or less seems to be feasible, anyway.

29,000 OOS applicants x 10% = 2,900 OOS acceptance letters x 30% yield = 870 OOS enrollments

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Anonymous wrote:UVA OOS (around $70k/year, all-in) vs UF (honors, FWIW) in-state.

UF would obviously be far less expensive - instate tuition <$10k.

UVA is well-respected, especially in the mid-atlantic. While UF is a pretty highly ranked public, I'm just not sure. Looking for opinions...

UVA is more than 70k. Add the Florida in-state tuition to the 70k and you have what it costs — 80k, or more depending on major. But you would know that if DC was actually choosing between these schools.

With DCTag and the major choice, it's around 70. Nice attitude, though. You seem a little jealous.

It's 90, and 80 with DC tag for CS, which is part of Engineering and higher tuition and fees. Not jealous of people who can't read:
https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-2025

BACS is 10k less than a BSCS.

So you would pay 30k more per year so your kid could take computer science “light” at UVA? Huge mistake.

It's not really CS "light" - just different requirements (e.g. language in place of physics, diff eq, etc.). The BA requirements are perfect for my student's interests. McGill does something similar, so it's not uncommon

Everyone has an opinion, but not everyone is so pedantic and rude.

I assure you that recruiters don’t think of it the same. But I suppose when they are polite in their refusals you would ascribe it to “bad luck” — certainly not rudeness. You undoubtedly think yourself clever to pay 10k less for the “same” CS degree. But sometimes you cannot have your cake and eat it, too. I know you are the type who thinks you can — such as your dream DCTAG and Florida in-state scenario — but reality is a stubborn thing.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA OOS (around $70k/year, all-in) vs UF (honors, FWIW) in-state.

UF would obviously be far less expensive - instate tuition <$10k.

UVA is well-respected, especially in the mid-atlantic. While UF is a pretty highly ranked public, I'm just not sure. Looking for opinions...

UVA is more than 70k. Add the Florida in-state tuition to the 70k and you have what it costs — 80k, or more depending on major. But you would know that if DC was actually choosing between these schools.

With DCTag and the major choice, it's around 70. Nice attitude, though. You seem a little jealous.

It's 90, and 80 with DC tag for CS, which is part of Engineering and higher tuition and fees. Not jealous of people who can't read:
https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-2025

BACS is 10k less than a BSCS.

So you would pay 30k more per year so your kid could take computer science “light” at UVA? Huge mistake.

It's not really CS "light" - just different requirements (e.g. language in place of physics, diff eq, etc.). The BA requirements are perfect for my student's interests. McGill does something similar, so it's not uncommon

Everyone has an opinion, but not everyone is so pedantic and rude.

I assure you that recruiters don’t think of it the same. But I suppose when they are polite in their refusals you would ascribe it to “bad luck” — certainly not rudeness. You undoubtedly think yourself clever to pay 10k less for the “same” CS degree. But sometimes you cannot have your cake and eat it, too. I know you are the type who thinks you can — such as your dream DCTAG and Florida in-state scenario — but reality is a stubborn thing.

I actually have a BSCS and I hire people. No one cares about the distinction. If anything, I appreciate the additional requirements of the BA track. If you think it's somehow comp sci "light", then you're highlighting your lack of knowledge.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA OOS (around $70k/year, all-in) vs UF (honors, FWIW) in-state.

UF would obviously be far less expensive - instate tuition <$10k.

UVA is well-respected, especially in the mid-atlantic. While UF is a pretty highly ranked public, I'm just not sure. Looking for opinions...

UVA is more than 70k. Add the Florida in-state tuition to the 70k and you have what it costs — 80k, or more depending on major. But you would know that if DC was actually choosing between these schools.

With DCTag and the major choice, it's around 70. Nice attitude, though. You seem a little jealous.

It's 90, and 80 with DC tag for CS, which is part of Engineering and higher tuition and fees. Not jealous of people who can't read:
https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-2025

BACS is 10k less than a BSCS.

So you would pay 30k more per year so your kid could take computer science “light” at UVA? Huge mistake.

It's not really CS "light" - just different requirements (e.g. language in place of physics, diff eq, etc.). The BA requirements are perfect for my student's interests. McGill does something similar, so it's not uncommon

Everyone has an opinion, but not everyone is so pedantic and rude.

I assure you that recruiters don’t think of it the same. But I suppose when they are polite in their refusals you would ascribe it to “bad luck” — certainly not rudeness. You undoubtedly think yourself clever to pay 10k less for the “same” CS degree. But sometimes you cannot have your cake and eat it, too. I know you are the type who thinks you can — such as your dream DCTAG and Florida in-state scenario — but reality is a stubborn thing.

I actually have a BSCS and I hire people. No one cares about the distinction. If anything, I appreciate the additional requirements of the BA track. If you think it's somehow comp sci "light", then you're highlighting your lack of knowledge.

Since you are so clearly clever, getting a degree in computer science and all (back when nobody who is anybody in the field got such a degree), you should do a community service and proclaim your insight to all the UVA parents who are paying the extra ten grand: I have saved 10k because I am only paying 30k more than I could be at UF!

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Anonymous wrote:UVA OOS (around $70k/year, all-in) vs UF (honors, FWIW) in-state.

UF would obviously be far less expensive - instate tuition <$10k.

UVA is well-respected, especially in the mid-atlantic. While UF is a pretty highly ranked public, I'm just not sure. Looking for opinions...

UVA is more than 70k. Add the Florida in-state tuition to the 70k and you have what it costs — 80k, or more depending on major. But you would know that if DC was actually choosing between these schools.

With DCTag and the major choice, it's around 70. Nice attitude, though. You seem a little jealous.

It's 90, and 80 with DC tag for CS, which is part of Engineering and higher tuition and fees. Not jealous of people who can't read:
https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-2025

BACS is 10k less than a BSCS.

So you would pay 30k more per year so your kid could take computer science “light” at UVA? Huge mistake.

It's not really CS "light" - just different requirements (e.g. language in place of physics, diff eq, etc.). The BA requirements are perfect for my student's interests. McGill does something similar, so it's not uncommon

Everyone has an opinion, but not everyone is so pedantic and rude.

I assure you that recruiters don’t think of it the same. But I suppose when they are polite in their refusals you would ascribe it to “bad luck” — certainly not rudeness. You undoubtedly think yourself clever to pay 10k less for the “same” CS degree. But sometimes you cannot have your cake and eat it, too. I know you are the type who thinks you can — such as your dream DCTAG and Florida in-state scenario — but reality is a stubborn thing.

I actually have a BSCS and I hire people. No one cares about the distinction. If anything, I appreciate the additional requirements of the BA track. If you think it's somehow comp sci "light", then you're highlighting your lack of knowledge.

Since you are so clearly clever, getting a degree in computer science and all (back when nobody who is anybody in the field got such a degree), you should do a community service and proclaim your insight to all the UVA parents who are paying the extra ten grand: I have saved 10k because I am only paying 30k more than I could be at UF!

DP.

I don’t have a dog in this fight, but think that you should pay a $30k/year premium for being an a**hat.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA OOS (around $70k/year, all-in) vs UF (honors, FWIW) in-state.

UF would obviously be far less expensive - instate tuition <$10k.

UVA is well-respected, especially in the mid-atlantic. While UF is a pretty highly ranked public, I'm just not sure. Looking for opinions...

UVA is more than 70k. Add the Florida in-state tuition to the 70k and you have what it costs — 80k, or more depending on major. But you would know that if DC was actually choosing between these schools.

With DCTag and the major choice, it's around 70. Nice attitude, though. You seem a little jealous.

It's 90, and 80 with DC tag for CS, which is part of Engineering and higher tuition and fees. Not jealous of people who can't read:
https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-2025

BACS is 10k less than a BSCS.

So you would pay 30k more per year so your kid could take computer science “light” at UVA? Huge mistake.

It's not really CS "light" - just different requirements (e.g. language in place of physics, diff eq, etc.). The BA requirements are perfect for my student's interests. McGill does something similar, so it's not uncommon

Everyone has an opinion, but not everyone is so pedantic and rude.

I assure you that recruiters don’t think of it the same. But I suppose when they are polite in their refusals you would ascribe it to “bad luck” — certainly not rudeness. You undoubtedly think yourself clever to pay 10k less for the “same” CS degree. But sometimes you cannot have your cake and eat it, too. I know you are the type who thinks you can — such as your dream DCTAG and Florida in-state scenario — but reality is a stubborn thing.

I actually have a BSCS and I hire people. No one cares about the distinction. If anything, I appreciate the additional requirements of the BA track. If you think it's somehow comp sci "light", then you're highlighting your lack of knowledge.

Since you are so clearly clever, getting a degree in computer science and all (back when nobody who is anybody in the field got such a degree), you should do a community service and proclaim your insight to all the UVA parents who are paying the extra ten grand: I have saved 10k because I am only paying 30k more than I could be at UF!

You seem upset. I don't think UVA, McGill, and countless other schools offer a BA track so that people can be "clever" and save a few bucks getting a fake CS degree. You do you, though.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA OOS (around $70k/year, all-in) vs UF (honors, FWIW) in-state.

UF would obviously be far less expensive - instate tuition <$10k.

UVA is well-respected, especially in the mid-atlantic. While UF is a pretty highly ranked public, I'm just not sure. Looking for opinions...

UVA is more than 70k. Add the Florida in-state tuition to the 70k and you have what it costs — 80k, or more depending on major. But you would know that if DC was actually choosing between these schools.

With DCTag and the major choice, it's around 70. Nice attitude, though. You seem a little jealous.

It's 90, and 80 with DC tag for CS, which is part of Engineering and higher tuition and fees. Not jealous of people who can't read:
https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-2025

BACS is 10k less than a BSCS.

So you would pay 30k more per year so your kid could take computer science “light” at UVA? Huge mistake.

It's not really CS "light" - just different requirements (e.g. language in place of physics, diff eq, etc.). The BA requirements are perfect for my student's interests. McGill does something similar, so it's not uncommon

Everyone has an opinion, but not everyone is so pedantic and rude.

I assure you that recruiters don’t think of it the same. But I suppose when they are polite in their refusals you would ascribe it to “bad luck” — certainly not rudeness. You undoubtedly think yourself clever to pay 10k less for the “same” CS degree. But sometimes you cannot have your cake and eat it, too. I know you are the type who thinks you can — such as your dream DCTAG and Florida in-state scenario — but reality is a stubborn thing.

I actually have a BSCS and I hire people. No one cares about the distinction. If anything, I appreciate the additional requirements of the BA track. If you think it's somehow comp sci "light", then you're highlighting your lack of knowledge.

Since you are so clearly clever, getting a degree in computer science and all (back when nobody who is anybody in the field got such a degree), you should do a community service and proclaim your insight to all the UVA parents who are paying the extra ten grand: I have saved 10k because I am only paying 30k more than I could be at UF!

DP.

I don’t have a dog in this fight, but think that you should pay a $30k/year premium for being an a**hat.

Agree. That is exactly what OP is doing.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA OOS (around $70k/year, all-in) vs UF (honors, FWIW) in-state.

UF would obviously be far less expensive - instate tuition <$10k.

UVA is well-respected, especially in the mid-atlantic. While UF is a pretty highly ranked public, I'm just not sure. Looking for opinions...

This math ain't mathin'. Is he living at Grandma's house at UF, or is paying for dorm and food "all in"?

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Anonymous wrote:UVA OOS (around $70k/year, all-in) vs UF (honors, FWIW) in-state.

UF would obviously be far less expensive - instate tuition <$10k.

UVA is well-respected, especially in the mid-atlantic. While UF is a pretty highly ranked public, I'm just not sure. Looking for opinions...

This math ain't mathin'. Is he living at Grandma's house at UF, or is paying for dorm and food "all in"?

DP.

Even if room and board and whatever else constitutes “all-in COA” is around $20K / year, the UF in-state cost is then roughly $28,500 / year.

If the $70K figure for UVA is accurate, that price differential looks like $41.5K each year of attendance. That’s material.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA OOS (around $70k/year, all-in) vs UF (honors, FWIW) in-state.

UF would obviously be far less expensive - instate tuition <$10k.

UVA is well-respected, especially in the mid-atlantic. While UF is a pretty highly ranked public, I'm just not sure. Looking for opinions...

This math ain't mathin'. Is he living at Grandma's house at UF, or is paying for dorm and food "all in"?

DP.

Even if room and board and whatever else constitutes “all-in COA” is around $20K / year, the UF in-state cost is then roughly $28,500 / year.

If the $70K figure for UVA is accurate, that price differential looks like $41.5K each year of attendance. That’s material.

Following up …

It’s not accurate! $60 - 70K is just the tuition and fees portion of the UVA experience for an OOS student, with the all-in COA landing around $80 - 90K.

So differential of $51.5 - $61.5K during each year of attendance. Over four years, as much as $246K. That’s steep.