In-state UVA or UMich no merit ?

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown is $20k more expensive than Michigan and $50k more expensive than UVA.

Michigan is ~$60k, GU $85-90k and UVA $35k

No brainer. UVA

They are 22-25 ranked. All 3 of them

Whatcha smoking?

Michigan OOS COA = $76K first two years, $80K junior and senior.

Neither Georgetown or Michigan (22 and 21) is worth the $ over #24 nationally ranked UVA. Last year UVA and Michigan were TIED for 3rd in best public university rankings. These always bounce back and forth. Fwiw, all my New England relatives have said UVA is huge at their HS—everyone dying to get in.

Now one is #3 and the other #5. Things change. Your NE relatives are obviously trying to appease you.

Harvard, Princeton and Yale flip flop every other year. You really think the point here or there matters?? LMAOF

They don't flip-flop every other year in USNWR. Princeton has been tops for some time.

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown is $20k more expensive than Michigan and $50k more expensive than UVA.

Michigan is ~$60k, GU $85-90k and UVA $35k

No brainer. UVA

They are 22-25 ranked. All 3 of them

Whatcha smoking?

Michigan OOS COA = $76K first two years, $80K junior and senior.

Neither Georgetown or Michigan (22 and 21) is worth the $ over #24 nationally ranked UVA. Last year UVA and Michigan were TIED for 3rd in best public university rankings. These always bounce back and forth. Fwiw, all my New England relatives have said UVA is huge at their HS—everyone dying to get in.

Now one is #3 and the other #5. Things change. Your NE relatives are obviously trying to appease you.

Harvard, Princeton and Yale flip flop every other year. You really think the point here or there matters?? LMAOF

They don't flip-flop every other year in USNWR. Princeton has been tops for some time.

there is no practical difference in the value of a degree from Princeton, Harvard or Yale

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Anonymous wrote:Very much depends on the major.

International relations/government/politics leaning

Also got into Georgetown.

But 85k to $35k hard pill to swallow

Another vote for UVA in-state.

For undergrad, there really isn't going to be any difference between the three in terms of quality of education. They're all outstanding and similarly respected. I wouldn't pay too much attention to the USNWR rankings as all three are neck and neck, and whichever is a hair behind this year may be a hair ahead next. IMO, UVA has by far the most beautiful campus of the three and better weather than MI. MI is HUGE, with over 50,000 students--more than twice as many as either UVA or Georgetown--which is a negative IMO.

While it doesn't necessarily mean much in these days of TO, UVA has an average SAT of 1445, ten points higher than the MI average and the highest of any public university, including UCLA and Berkeley (Prepscholar). Being closer to home than MI is another bonus, IMO. Being able to visit one's child easily or have them come home for the occasional weekend is such an advantage. A two-hour drive is perfect as the kid has their independence, but you're close enough to lend a hand if they get sick or you want to watch them in a theater performance or something. Having made a 16.5-hour drive each way to install/retrieve my kid + dorm supplies in their school at the beginning and end of every school year, I found the novelty wore off rather quickly.

UVA is very pretty, has nice weather, is not too overwhelmingly large, has a higher average SAT score than MI, is closer to home, and is just as much respected by people in the know. It seems to me the obvious choice unless your DC has some compelling reason to go elsewhere. I would save the money, especially as graduate or professional school may be in the offing.

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Anonymous wrote:Which would you pick?

My 2c.. probably already covered in the previous 8 pages.

- If you can't afford OOS Michigan without issues, then go with UVA.
- If money is not an issue and if you are thinking CS and kid wants to work in SV or FAANG type companies, you will have much, much more success out of Michigan than UVA. We know one kid out of UVA that got offers from FAANG-type companies and beyond (think Jane Street) but chose to work for a startup in SV says that senior mgmt. scans for top schools when hiring employees even for the second/third gigs and UVA is not part of that list so the college you go to follows you for a bit longer than your first job in SV.
- Our DC goes to school at Michigan and internship placements for his cohort, even during this year's cycle (more difficult than last year) have been outstanding. Also, DC's CS friends out of Virginia Tech seem to have better placements that those out of UVA but you should check your own sources. Of course, all of this doesn't matter if you are only looking at average outcomes and are happy with that with both schools likely comparable, with UVA being a bit more regional in outcomes compared to Michigan.
- Business School - Michigan Ross is a direct admit while UVA is not. Other than that, I'd say both are comparable.
- Other programs - I've heard great things about Michigan's Music and Kinesiology programs
- Global recognition and Network - I hear Michigan has a much larger network and global recognition but how that translates into a benefit, we are yet to see..

Bottom line, it depends on intended major and where you think DC is/would be relative to the rest of their cohort.

I guess you missed the part where the kid was into international relations/govt/politics/history. DC area is the place to be. UVA, W&M, Georgetown, GW, and then the NE Ivies, Tufts and Hopkins will serve him/her so much better than UM. As a VA resident, there would be zero need to apply to UM with that major and it would be stupid to choose it over in-state or any of the others.

In that case, yes. That was not in the OP. Must have added later. Didn't want to wade through 8 pages of drivel.

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Anonymous wrote:Which would you pick?

My 2c.. probably already covered in the previous 8 pages.

- If you can't afford OOS Michigan without issues, then go with UVA.
- If money is not an issue and if you are thinking CS and kid wants to work in SV or FAANG type companies, you will have much, much more success out of Michigan than UVA. We know one kid out of UVA that got offers from FAANG-type companies and beyond (think Jane Street) but chose to work for a startup in SV says that senior mgmt. scans for top schools when hiring employees even for the second/third gigs and UVA is not part of that list so the college you go to follows you for a bit longer than your first job in SV.
- Our DC goes to school at Michigan and internship placements for his cohort, even during this year's cycle (more difficult than last year) have been outstanding. Also, DC's CS friends out of Virginia Tech seem to have better placements that those out of UVA but you should check your own sources. Of course, all of this doesn't matter if you are only looking at average outcomes and are happy with that with both schools likely comparable, with UVA being a bit more regional in outcomes compared to Michigan.
- Business School - Michigan Ross is a direct admit while UVA is not. Other than that, I'd say both are comparable.
- Other programs - I've heard great things about Michigan's Music and Kinesiology programs
- Global recognition and Network - I hear Michigan has a much larger network and global recognition but how that translates into a benefit, we are yet to see..

Bottom line, it depends on intended major and where you think DC is/would be relative to the rest of their cohort.

All that and it's not even answering OPs question.

ABsolutely false. Last year, the WSJ put UVA as no. 1 public in America for finance jobs. https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-colleges-high-paying-finance-jobs-e6742bb8

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Anonymous wrote:Definitely UVA. I don’t understand the number of people willing to pay OOS Michigan tuition if they have a UVA option.

UVA is so competitive now. U. Michigan has become a UVA back up for in-state kids.

Right, but they said if you have a UVA option. My DS will apply to both and would be thrilled to go to either, but no way I could justify Michigan if he gets into UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:Very much depends on the major.

International relations/government/politics leaning

Also got into Georgetown.

But 85k to $35k hard pill to swallow

Another vote for UVA in-state.

For undergrad, there really isn't going to be any difference between the three in terms of quality of education. They're all outstanding and similarly respected. I wouldn't pay too much attention to the USNWR rankings as all three are neck and neck, and whichever is a hair behind this year may be a hair ahead next. IMO, UVA has by far the most beautiful campus of the three and better weather than MI. MI is HUGE, with over 50,000 students--more than twice as many as either UVA or Georgetown--which is a negative IMO.

While it doesn't necessarily mean much in these days of TO, UVA has an average SAT of 1445, ten points higher than the MI average and the highest of any public university, including UCLA and Berkeley (Prepscholar). Being closer to home than MI is another bonus, IMO. Being able to visit one's child easily or have them come home for the occasional weekend is such an advantage. A two-hour drive is perfect as the kid has their independence, but you're close enough to lend a hand if they get sick or you want to watch them in a theater performance or something. Having made a 16.5-hour drive each way to install/retrieve my kid + dorm supplies in their school at the beginning and end of every school year, I found the novelty wore off rather quickly.

UVA is very pretty, has nice weather, is not too overwhelmingly large, has a higher average SAT score than MI, is closer to home, and is just as much respected by people in the know. It seems to me the obvious choice unless your DC has some compelling reason to go elsewhere. I would save the money, especially as graduate or professional school may be in the offing.

UCLA and Berkeley don't even accept SAT scores any more. I don't think Prepscholar is accurate.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which would you pick?

My 2c.. probably already covered in the previous 8 pages.

- If you can't afford OOS Michigan without issues, then go with UVA.
- If money is not an issue and if you are thinking CS and kid wants to work in SV or FAANG type companies, you will have much, much more success out of Michigan than UVA. We know one kid out of UVA that got offers from FAANG-type companies and beyond (think Jane Street) but chose to work for a startup in SV says that senior mgmt. scans for top schools when hiring employees even for the second/third gigs and UVA is not part of that list so the college you go to follows you for a bit longer than your first job in SV.
- Our DC goes to school at Michigan and internship placements for his cohort, even during this year's cycle (more difficult than last year) have been outstanding. Also, DC's CS friends out of Virginia Tech seem to have better placements that those out of UVA but you should check your own sources. Of course, all of this doesn't matter if you are only looking at average outcomes and are happy with that with both schools likely comparable, with UVA being a bit more regional in outcomes compared to Michigan.
- Business School - Michigan Ross is a direct admit while UVA is not. Other than that, I'd say both are comparable.
- Other programs - I've heard great things about Michigan's Music and Kinesiology programs
- Global recognition and Network - I hear Michigan has a much larger network and global recognition but how that translates into a benefit, we are yet to see..

Bottom line, it depends on intended major and where you think DC is/would be relative to the rest of their cohort.

All that and it's not even answering OPs question.

ABsolutely false. Last year, the WSJ put UVA as no. 1 public in America for finance jobs. https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-colleges-high-paying-finance-jobs-e6742bb8

OK. But this is what they indicated they are interested in: International relations/government/politics leaning

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Anonymous wrote:Very much depends on the major.

International relations/government/politics leaning

Also got into Georgetown.

But 85k to $35k hard pill to swallow

Another vote for UVA in-state.

For undergrad, there really isn't going to be any difference between the three in terms of quality of education. They're all outstanding and similarly respected. I wouldn't pay too much attention to the USNWR rankings as all three are neck and neck, and whichever is a hair behind this year may be a hair ahead next. IMO, UVA has by far the most beautiful campus of the three and better weather than MI. MI is HUGE, with over 50,000 students--more than twice as many as either UVA or Georgetown--which is a negative IMO.

While it doesn't necessarily mean much in these days of TO, UVA has an average SAT of 1445, ten points higher than the MI average and the highest of any public university, including UCLA and Berkeley (Prepscholar). Being closer to home than MI is another bonus, IMO. Being able to visit one's child easily or have them come home for the occasional weekend is such an advantage. A two-hour drive is perfect as the kid has their independence, but you're close enough to lend a hand if they get sick or you want to watch them in a theater performance or something. Having made a 16.5-hour drive each way to install/retrieve my kid + dorm supplies in their school at the beginning and end of every school year, I found the novelty wore off rather quickly.

UVA is very pretty, has nice weather, is not too overwhelmingly large, has a higher average SAT score than MI, is closer to home, and is just as much respected by people in the know. It seems to me the obvious choice unless your DC has some compelling reason to go elsewhere. I would save the money, especially as graduate or professional school may be in the offing.

UCLA and Berkeley don't even accept SAT scores any more. I don't think Prepscholar is accurate.

Georgia Tech had the highest scores among publics but they are not test optional unlike UVA. The difference between UVA and some other test optional schools is negligible.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which would you pick?

My 2c.. probably already covered in the previous 8 pages.

- If you can't afford OOS Michigan without issues, then go with UVA.
- If money is not an issue and if you are thinking CS and kid wants to work in SV or FAANG type companies, you will have much, much more success out of Michigan than UVA. We know one kid out of UVA that got offers from FAANG-type companies and beyond (think Jane Street) but chose to work for a startup in SV says that senior mgmt. scans for top schools when hiring employees even for the second/third gigs and UVA is not part of that list so the college you go to follows you for a bit longer than your first job in SV.
- Our DC goes to school at Michigan and internship placements for his cohort, even during this year's cycle (more difficult than last year) have been outstanding. Also, DC's CS friends out of Virginia Tech seem to have better placements that those out of UVA but you should check your own sources. Of course, all of this doesn't matter if you are only looking at average outcomes and are happy with that with both schools likely comparable, with UVA being a bit more regional in outcomes compared to Michigan.
- Business School - Michigan Ross is a direct admit while UVA is not. Other than that, I'd say both are comparable.
- Other programs - I've heard great things about Michigan's Music and Kinesiology programs
- Global recognition and Network - I hear Michigan has a much larger network and global recognition but how that translates into a benefit, we are yet to see..

Bottom line, it depends on intended major and where you think DC is/would be relative to the rest of their cohort.

I guess you missed the part where the kid was into international relations/govt/politics/history. DC area is the place to be. UVA, W&M, Georgetown, GW, and then the NE Ivies, Tufts and Hopkins will serve him/her so much better than UM. As a VA resident, there would be zero need to apply to UM with that major and it would be stupid to choose it over in-state or any of the others.

In that case, yes. That was not in the OP. Must have added later. Didn't want to wade through 8 pages of drivel.

Kid should try for merit at AU. You can’t underestimate the strength of access to programs right in DC for co-ops, internships, and especially those Payhways fed internship which require year-round part-time work that will typically lead to a ft position

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*Pathways

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I have a graduate degree in international relations and I work in international development. I would suggest going in-state to UVA and saving the money for graduate school, which is a likely next step if your kid wants to have a career in these fields.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which would you pick?

My 2c.. probably already covered in the previous 8 pages.

- If you can't afford OOS Michigan without issues, then go with UVA.
- If money is not an issue and if you are thinking CS and kid wants to work in SV or FAANG type companies, you will have much, much more success out of Michigan than UVA. We know one kid out of UVA that got offers from FAANG-type companies and beyond (think Jane Street) but chose to work for a startup in SV says that senior mgmt. scans for top schools when hiring employees even for the second/third gigs and UVA is not part of that list so the college you go to follows you for a bit longer than your first job in SV.
- Our DC goes to school at Michigan and internship placements for his cohort, even during this year's cycle (more difficult than last year) have been outstanding. Also, DC's CS friends out of Virginia Tech seem to have better placements that those out of UVA but you should check your own sources. Of course, all of this doesn't matter if you are only looking at average outcomes and are happy with that with both schools likely comparable, with UVA being a bit more regional in outcomes compared to Michigan.
- Business School - Michigan Ross is a direct admit while UVA is not. Other than that, I'd say both are comparable.
- Other programs - I've heard great things about Michigan's Music and Kinesiology programs
- Global recognition and Network - I hear Michigan has a much larger network and global recognition but how that translates into a benefit, we are yet to see..

Bottom line, it depends on intended major and where you think DC is/would be relative to the rest of their cohort.

All that and it's not even answering OPs question.

ABsolutely false. Last year, the WSJ put UVA as no. 1 public in America for finance jobs. https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-colleges-high-paying-finance-jobs-e6742bb8

OK. But this is what they indicated they are interested in: International relations/government/politics leaning

Please look at the bolded statement the pp is responding to.

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State school for undergrad. Enjoy your college years and go to your state school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which would you pick?

My 2c.. probably already covered in the previous 8 pages.

- If you can't afford OOS Michigan without issues, then go with UVA.
- If money is not an issue and if you are thinking CS and kid wants to work in SV or FAANG type companies, you will have much, much more success out of Michigan than UVA. We know one kid out of UVA that got offers from FAANG-type companies and beyond (think Jane Street) but chose to work for a startup in SV says that senior mgmt. scans for top schools when hiring employees even for the second/third gigs and UVA is not part of that list so the college you go to follows you for a bit longer than your first job in SV.
- Our DC goes to school at Michigan and internship placements for his cohort, even during this year's cycle (more difficult than last year) have been outstanding. Also, DC's CS friends out of Virginia Tech seem to have better placements that those out of UVA but you should check your own sources. Of course, all of this doesn't matter if you are only looking at average outcomes and are happy with that with both schools likely comparable, with UVA being a bit more regional in outcomes compared to Michigan.
- Business School - Michigan Ross is a direct admit while UVA is not. Other than that, I'd say both are comparable.
- Other programs - I've heard great things about Michigan's Music and Kinesiology programs
- Global recognition and Network - I hear Michigan has a much larger network and global recognition but how that translates into a benefit, we are yet to see..

Bottom line, it depends on intended major and where you think DC is/would be relative to the rest of their cohort.

I guess you missed the part where the kid was into international relations/govt/politics/history. DC area is the place to be. UVA, W&M, Georgetown, GW, and then the NE Ivies, Tufts and Hopkins will serve him/her so much better than UM. As a VA resident, there would be zero need to apply to UM with that major and it would be stupid to choose it over in-state or any of the others.

In that case, yes. That was not in the OP. Must have added later. Didn't want to wade through 8 pages of drivel.

Kid should try for merit at AU. You can’t underestimate the strength of access to programs right in DC for co-ops, internships, and especially those Payhways fed internship which require year-round part-time work that will typically lead to a ft position

This suggestion makes no sense. UVA ranks 24. American is 106. Prestige matters greatly for internships (uva kid was a senate staffer). UVA is $39k all in for in-state. Anerican is $79,622. That would have to be some incredie merit schokarship to beat UVA. Kid should try for the free ride Jefferson Scholarship at UVA. Not only is college free but the name alone opens doors.